Jtoth3ustin
Well-Known Member
wow weedman whatd you yeild off that bush. like a halfP???? whats goin on with you king. you got any ladies goin right now??? Pe@ce..
K1Ng5p4d3's Cardboard Box Grow (hehe)
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420weedman
Well-Known Member
shes coming down this weekend, i think id be really lucky if i end up with a Qp from her ... expecting a little less than that but we shall see
K1Ng5p4d3
Junior Creatologist
lol christ. What exactly is it that i experiment with? The only thing really that im doing thats new and feels wierd doin, is growing hydroponically. Putting a rooting medium down under or around the pots, and wanting to put up trellising, isnt doin anything extreme. Those are both tested and proven methods to growing, and they work. I dont really see whats so out there about that shit. ABF is pretty much the only ebb/flow grower ive read that doesnt use anything at all under his pots - and he does that because hes growing clones, and root mass isnt an issue. But, i do trust that you know what your talking about, so im gonna more than likely keep it at that. As for the netting, that shit is a GO, n i have no choice but to do that, because ive stuffed my trays with plants that im growing OUT, and Tray B is already looking so full its rediculous. If ida squeezed any more plants in there i dont know if they woulda grown to potential. But anyways, like i said - whats so experimental, or out there, that im not keeping it simple??
N i try to follow the Keep It Simple, Stupid (lol) method of growing, and i have kept it simple. The only thing ive had ttrouble with was when i was getting my trays dialed in to what the plants like. Thats it. Other than that, i stay within the parameters of my skill level for the time being. But if i listened to the whole "go with what you know" thing, then i wouldnt be growing hydro in the first place, eh? lol, it just seems like im doing pretty much everything by the book, so i just must not get it i guess then. My plants look beautiful.
n yeh TC bro, fuckin apparently this shit has been goin on ever since i got the damn lights n started the fuckin grow. Hell, i didnt know any better, ive never had a 1000w light before. I didnt have the cooltube set up, so how was i to know that shit was dimmer than Corky from life goes on, at a genius convention?? But yeah, im fuckin thankful that i figured it out now, because this is a critical time for my flowering plants, and if i get a REAL 1000w up there over top of them bitches, theyre gonna fuckin go into overdrive n blow the fuck up on me. I put my Cooltube over top of them last night, so they can Acclimate themselves to stronger lighting gradually, so they dont go into shock. going from what was apparently a 200-300w light, right to a 1000w would cause some sort of short term shock, wouldnt it?
Anyways, theyre replacing everything. I just got my two Sunmaster MH bulbs in today, n im taking my HPS n faulty MH bulbs in tomorrow. Thats right, im going TO htg directly man. ima be there in person bright n shiny when them bitches open in the morning. Im gonna give them an extra $100, n hopefully thatll be enough to upgrade me to some Digital Greenhouse 1000w ballasts so i dont have the whole magnetic failure thing happen ever again. I talked to Perry up there, n they have no quams whatsoever with changing out both my ballasts, n all 5 of my bulbs (two MH, two HPS, and the Growbright 600w that burnt out on me last week). They said come on up n well upgrade you at no charge. So fuck it man, ill take the 45 min drive to Cranberry in the morning n get my shit. I just dont want another set of 50lb ballasts thatll fuckin fizzle out on me n perform like shit. I wanna go digital, so i hope the extra hundo will be enough to talk them into doin it for me
Ill snap off some poorly lit pics tonight for you guys. I got pics of my trays already, but i didnt snap anything off of the flowering ladies yet, because i wanted to give them a night of 600w action before i did. I threw that cooltube in right next to my Solar Six hood, n turned it on, n it was fuckin rediculous how much brighter it was than the 1000w. So i took the 1000w down n cleaned everytihng up n got it ready for the return, n the plants almost instantly thanked me for the light change man. They perked right the fuck up over an hour's time, and they just look fuckin happier in general. I cant wait to put them underneath a 1000w SunMaster bulb thats workin at full force. Ive almost blinded myself like 100 times over the last week comparing the intensity of my 1000w's to my 600w over n over again. Im just glad my ass was right, n i dont have to do it ever again. (knockin on wood)
Anyways, sorry if i came off as crass, but i really dont think im over-complicating anything at all, or experimenting with anything other than the grow itself, cuz ive never done hydro before. Anything supplemental that ive done or wanna do for my plants just seems like common sense to do, n just cuz ABF doesnt do it, doesn't mean its wrong. S'all im sayin. Im not standing on the shoulders of giants, im trying to become one myself. I dont wanna Emulate somebody elses grow, i wanna have my OWN grow, that makes other people wanna emulate what IM doin. All of the experienced, successful growers who put journals on here and help people every day are awesome, and i cant thank them enough for the advice theyve given me, but its nothing more than a primer for me to do my own thing. Take what i can from other people's experiences, and then do it my way. I dont wanna copy anybody else, i just want to make sure i get what im doing right, and get it right the first time. The only people that have made a name for themselves by copying other people's workto the T are murderers. I'd hate to be pitted into the same categorie as those fuckin people, lol.
Keep it REAL,
-K1. (SrH)
****EDIT****
I also just wanted to add, that the four of us (me, Gypsy, TC, n Weedman) all pretty much started growing at the same time, so its safe to say that none of us are idiots. We all know how to grow pot, we've figured out the mystery to it, and we all can apply it and grow a successful crop of cannabis any time we want to, without any real help from anybody if it came down to it. All any of us are doing right now are just fine tuning our skills, and figuring out how we wanna grow from here on out. There aint much more technical shit to learn when it comes right down to plant biology, or feeding it nutrients -- we know what we need to, n the rest is symantics. Its safe to say that any one of us can call ourselves growers without any level of uncertainty, n were all pretty decent at what we do. Theres really not much else to add to that statement. We all know what were doing -- none of us are out there quizzing everyone we know about what were doin wrong, because chances are that if were doing something wrong, then we already know what it is, and its already being fixed.
-I just think that each of us deserves that level of respect. Each one of us has earned it since weve come to RollItUp, thats for damn sure
N i try to follow the Keep It Simple, Stupid (lol) method of growing, and i have kept it simple. The only thing ive had ttrouble with was when i was getting my trays dialed in to what the plants like. Thats it. Other than that, i stay within the parameters of my skill level for the time being. But if i listened to the whole "go with what you know" thing, then i wouldnt be growing hydro in the first place, eh? lol, it just seems like im doing pretty much everything by the book, so i just must not get it i guess then. My plants look beautiful.
n yeh TC bro, fuckin apparently this shit has been goin on ever since i got the damn lights n started the fuckin grow. Hell, i didnt know any better, ive never had a 1000w light before. I didnt have the cooltube set up, so how was i to know that shit was dimmer than Corky from life goes on, at a genius convention?? But yeah, im fuckin thankful that i figured it out now, because this is a critical time for my flowering plants, and if i get a REAL 1000w up there over top of them bitches, theyre gonna fuckin go into overdrive n blow the fuck up on me. I put my Cooltube over top of them last night, so they can Acclimate themselves to stronger lighting gradually, so they dont go into shock. going from what was apparently a 200-300w light, right to a 1000w would cause some sort of short term shock, wouldnt it?
Anyways, theyre replacing everything. I just got my two Sunmaster MH bulbs in today, n im taking my HPS n faulty MH bulbs in tomorrow. Thats right, im going TO htg directly man. ima be there in person bright n shiny when them bitches open in the morning. Im gonna give them an extra $100, n hopefully thatll be enough to upgrade me to some Digital Greenhouse 1000w ballasts so i dont have the whole magnetic failure thing happen ever again. I talked to Perry up there, n they have no quams whatsoever with changing out both my ballasts, n all 5 of my bulbs (two MH, two HPS, and the Growbright 600w that burnt out on me last week). They said come on up n well upgrade you at no charge. So fuck it man, ill take the 45 min drive to Cranberry in the morning n get my shit. I just dont want another set of 50lb ballasts thatll fuckin fizzle out on me n perform like shit. I wanna go digital, so i hope the extra hundo will be enough to talk them into doin it for me
Ill snap off some poorly lit pics tonight for you guys. I got pics of my trays already, but i didnt snap anything off of the flowering ladies yet, because i wanted to give them a night of 600w action before i did. I threw that cooltube in right next to my Solar Six hood, n turned it on, n it was fuckin rediculous how much brighter it was than the 1000w. So i took the 1000w down n cleaned everytihng up n got it ready for the return, n the plants almost instantly thanked me for the light change man. They perked right the fuck up over an hour's time, and they just look fuckin happier in general. I cant wait to put them underneath a 1000w SunMaster bulb thats workin at full force. Ive almost blinded myself like 100 times over the last week comparing the intensity of my 1000w's to my 600w over n over again. Im just glad my ass was right, n i dont have to do it ever again. (knockin on wood)
Anyways, sorry if i came off as crass, but i really dont think im over-complicating anything at all, or experimenting with anything other than the grow itself, cuz ive never done hydro before. Anything supplemental that ive done or wanna do for my plants just seems like common sense to do, n just cuz ABF doesnt do it, doesn't mean its wrong. S'all im sayin. Im not standing on the shoulders of giants, im trying to become one myself. I dont wanna Emulate somebody elses grow, i wanna have my OWN grow, that makes other people wanna emulate what IM doin. All of the experienced, successful growers who put journals on here and help people every day are awesome, and i cant thank them enough for the advice theyve given me, but its nothing more than a primer for me to do my own thing. Take what i can from other people's experiences, and then do it my way. I dont wanna copy anybody else, i just want to make sure i get what im doing right, and get it right the first time. The only people that have made a name for themselves by copying other people's workto the T are murderers. I'd hate to be pitted into the same categorie as those fuckin people, lol.
Keep it REAL,
-K1. (SrH)
****EDIT****
I also just wanted to add, that the four of us (me, Gypsy, TC, n Weedman) all pretty much started growing at the same time, so its safe to say that none of us are idiots. We all know how to grow pot, we've figured out the mystery to it, and we all can apply it and grow a successful crop of cannabis any time we want to, without any real help from anybody if it came down to it. All any of us are doing right now are just fine tuning our skills, and figuring out how we wanna grow from here on out. There aint much more technical shit to learn when it comes right down to plant biology, or feeding it nutrients -- we know what we need to, n the rest is symantics. Its safe to say that any one of us can call ourselves growers without any level of uncertainty, n were all pretty decent at what we do. Theres really not much else to add to that statement. We all know what were doing -- none of us are out there quizzing everyone we know about what were doin wrong, because chances are that if were doing something wrong, then we already know what it is, and its already being fixed.
-I just think that each of us deserves that level of respect. Each one of us has earned it since weve come to RollItUp, thats for damn sure
GypsyBush
Well-Known Member
Dude.. I could go back and quote you...
But I won't...
You are doing good...
But this netting thing... didn't you lollipop them?
Oh! maybe you weren't following the recipe...
on the low end.. 48 12g lollipops will give you.... 576g... almost 1g/w...
and those are my smallest and scrawniest... the big ones come in over 28g...
So if you didn't lollipop you probably lost some yield...
Again, if you followed ANY ONE recipe from an EXPERIENCED GROWER, you would probably have a bigger yield...
But I will now shut up forever about this...
I will only watch and praise the good points...
And I will say it again.. for as much as you fucked with your grow, you are doing AWESOME... I just imagine if you settle down a notch, you will BLOW us all out of water...
I love you man... I want to see you do the BEST!!!
That's why I say this shit to you...
The End
But I won't...
You are doing good...
But this netting thing... didn't you lollipop them?
Oh! maybe you weren't following the recipe...
on the low end.. 48 12g lollipops will give you.... 576g... almost 1g/w...
and those are my smallest and scrawniest... the big ones come in over 28g...
So if you didn't lollipop you probably lost some yield...
Again, if you followed ANY ONE recipe from an EXPERIENCED GROWER, you would probably have a bigger yield...
But I will now shut up forever about this...
I will only watch and praise the good points...
And I will say it again.. for as much as you fucked with your grow, you are doing AWESOME... I just imagine if you settle down a notch, you will BLOW us all out of water...
I love you man... I want to see you do the BEST!!!
That's why I say this shit to you...
The End
K1Ng5p4d3
Junior Creatologist
LMAO i love you too Gyps man, dont take what im sayin the wrong way at all.
N i havent lollipopped anything yet, because im not flowering my trays yet. Once i put my net up, i will be cutting off all the lower foliage, cuz theres no point to it. N i know your getting great yields from the way your growing, but thats my point brother, im not growing from clones at the moment, so i cant do what your doing - my shit is all from seed, and as of right now, im still gonna be vegging for the next two weeks to get the plants to where they need to be to get a great yeild from them. Everything your saying is most definitely getting stored in the memory banks for when i start my next grow, which is going to be entirely from clones, just like yours is man. I never said the advice your giving me is wrong, cuz i know its definitely NOT wrong at all, im just saying that im not growing the same way you are right now, so for what im doing, im just a little sketchy about leaving the pots as they are, out of fear that itll deminish my yeild because of it. But i totally trust you, and what your saying, so chances are im gonna leave it as is.
I WILL be listening to you when it comes time for me to pony up n go perpetual, but im trying to go for as many top colas as i can right now from SEED, which is a little harder to do than from clone, because clones have already vegged, and all you need to do is pull the trigger. Once i pull it on my girls, then the tops will grow through the netting, and ill chop off everything underneath that canopy thats not getting any light. Thats the whole idea of the net in the 1st place, aint it??
as for the soil plants, i'd never lollipop those, just based on principal. I vegged them bitches for a long time, n once i get my 1000w over top of the canopy, ill get some really good penetration through the canopy, because ive thinned it out a little bit, so that light can get all the way down to the base of the stem.
Dont worry dude, like i said, everything you've had to say definitely applies to my next grow, but for this one i have to do things a little bit differently, because even though im growing hydro, the plants still grow the same (except maybe a little quicker, lol), so i need to treat them like i know how to treat them. Once im growing from clone like ive wanted to do ever since i even thought to do it this way, ill be choppin, n lollipoppin all day long man.
N i havent lollipopped anything yet, because im not flowering my trays yet. Once i put my net up, i will be cutting off all the lower foliage, cuz theres no point to it. N i know your getting great yields from the way your growing, but thats my point brother, im not growing from clones at the moment, so i cant do what your doing - my shit is all from seed, and as of right now, im still gonna be vegging for the next two weeks to get the plants to where they need to be to get a great yeild from them. Everything your saying is most definitely getting stored in the memory banks for when i start my next grow, which is going to be entirely from clones, just like yours is man. I never said the advice your giving me is wrong, cuz i know its definitely NOT wrong at all, im just saying that im not growing the same way you are right now, so for what im doing, im just a little sketchy about leaving the pots as they are, out of fear that itll deminish my yeild because of it. But i totally trust you, and what your saying, so chances are im gonna leave it as is.
I WILL be listening to you when it comes time for me to pony up n go perpetual, but im trying to go for as many top colas as i can right now from SEED, which is a little harder to do than from clone, because clones have already vegged, and all you need to do is pull the trigger. Once i pull it on my girls, then the tops will grow through the netting, and ill chop off everything underneath that canopy thats not getting any light. Thats the whole idea of the net in the 1st place, aint it??
as for the soil plants, i'd never lollipop those, just based on principal. I vegged them bitches for a long time, n once i get my 1000w over top of the canopy, ill get some really good penetration through the canopy, because ive thinned it out a little bit, so that light can get all the way down to the base of the stem.
Dont worry dude, like i said, everything you've had to say definitely applies to my next grow, but for this one i have to do things a little bit differently, because even though im growing hydro, the plants still grow the same (except maybe a little quicker, lol), so i need to treat them like i know how to treat them. Once im growing from clone like ive wanted to do ever since i even thought to do it this way, ill be choppin, n lollipoppin all day long man.
GypsyBush
Well-Known Member
You're good King...
and you will keep doing good, I am sure...
But why would one plant vs. another need the mat under the pots?
And why do you say seeds are sooo different than clones...
All clones came from a seed at one point...
Cloning is a little faster, but it is no different than growing plants from seed...
Have you seen my 12/12 from seed lollipops?
There are other users as well doing lollipops from seed... all getting at least 1/2 from each...
That you don't want to do things a certain way, I will accept (and grumble), but don't tell me you can't do it, cause that's bs
Sometimes I wish I could just whisk you over here for a moment so I could show you what a great thing it was for me to follow Al's recipe, which he copied from someone else by the way...
You would like it...
and you will keep doing good, I am sure...
But why would one plant vs. another need the mat under the pots?
And why do you say seeds are sooo different than clones...
All clones came from a seed at one point...
Cloning is a little faster, but it is no different than growing plants from seed...
Have you seen my 12/12 from seed lollipops?
There are other users as well doing lollipops from seed... all getting at least 1/2 from each...
That you don't want to do things a certain way, I will accept (and grumble), but don't tell me you can't do it, cause that's bs
Sometimes I wish I could just whisk you over here for a moment so I could show you what a great thing it was for me to follow Al's recipe, which he copied from someone else by the way...
You would like it...
Thundercat
Well-Known Member
LOl, seriously you guys crack me up.
I gotta say King I agree 100% with what your saying man. I'm developing my plan of attack for my next grow, and honestly I think its gonna be really sweet. It also isn't gonna be like anything I've seen on here. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not about to pull some big crazy grow out of my ass, lol. Its gonna be pretty simple I think actually, and with the strains I'm working with, I think I'll be getting a sweet yield, especially once I get CO2. So what I'm saying, is I feel ya on wanting to come up with your own great way of growing bro!
I gotta say King I agree 100% with what your saying man. I'm developing my plan of attack for my next grow, and honestly I think its gonna be really sweet. It also isn't gonna be like anything I've seen on here. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not about to pull some big crazy grow out of my ass, lol. Its gonna be pretty simple I think actually, and with the strains I'm working with, I think I'll be getting a sweet yield, especially once I get CO2. So what I'm saying, is I feel ya on wanting to come up with your own great way of growing bro!
Thundercat
Well-Known Member
lol, gypsy I won't be adding CO2 to the next grow till I have everything else the way I want it. Or untill I can afford a controller, cus otherwise you just end up wasting alot of CO2.
K1Ng5p4d3
Junior Creatologist
You're good King...
and you will keep doing good, I am sure...
But why would one plant vs. another need the mat under the pots?
And why do you say seeds are sooo different than clones...
All clones came from a seed at one point...
Cloning is a little faster, but it is no different than growing plants from seed...
Have you seen my 12/12 from seed lollipops?
There are other users as well doing lollipops from seed... all getting at least 1/2 from each...
That you don't want to do things a certain way, I will accept (and grumble), but don't tell me you can't do it, cause that's bs
Sometimes I wish I could just whisk you over here for a moment so I could show you what a great thing it was for me to follow Al's recipe, which he copied from someone else by the way...
You would like it...
Clones are different from growing from seed because they've already went through vegetative cycle. They can go right into flower because of that, and won't need a decent sized rootmass to do it. What I'm saying is, try growing a mother plant in your tray with nothing under the pot to let the roots grow into dude. Shed get rootbound by wk 3. They need those roots in order to develop the nodes n branches that are going to develop buds in flower. A clone already has these branches and budsites predetermined, so once they take root, they only need a little encouragement for those budsites to grow out, n even then the bud will grow on the budsites that were already there before that clone was turned into a cutting. A growing plant needs room to stretch her legs out n become the mammoth thing that she can become. A clone goes straight into flower, stretches a little bit; n buds out. I'm not saying that your not getting great yields, I'm just saying that if the plant had space to build root mass, and then were given the time to grow out, like mine are, then they'd keep on getting bigger n bigger until they're flowered.
Again, im not knocking the way your doin things, cuz growing perpetually rocks, and my shit is a result of shitty circumstances naomg the best of it- but because I'm growing from seed and have to give my plants a chance to grow, they need all the roots that they're gonna grow from point a to point b, while your growing from clone, so your already at point a.5 so you don't need that root mass that's built in the early stages of growth. I hope that made sense,LOL. I can't wait to be able to dothe same thing your doin man. It just makes more sense than growing a single grow from seed. That's all I'm sayin dude.
GypsyBush
Well-Known Member
Sorry dude, that is incorrect, if you flower a clone without adequate root mass, it will be severely stunted... I mean severely...
I do! I have 10 of them in a tray... with nothing under the pot...
WRONG!
My moms are over 6 months old and have given me literally hundreds of cuttings... all in the same pots as I flower my clones...
Only difference is they get a T-5 and Veg nutes intead of HPS and Bloom nutes...
Same pots filled with the same hydroton in the same ebb/flow set up..
They grow more than I can use clippings from them...
Dude.. a clone is just a plant.. it isn't an alien nor does it have super powers...
A plant is a plant is a plant...
They all need the same stuff...
Not in Hydro.. it's the whole point...
You get to have HUGE plants with a small root mass...
Any cannabis plant put in 12/12 will grow for a bit and then bud out...
Even 12/12 from seed works like that... I've done it...
I know that..
If the roots have a 5 to 6 inch pot... and are bathed in an oxygen rich, fertilized solution, they will grow and grow... and they will not stop growing until something changes ...
It's not the only way, but it is one way to easily get kick ass results...
Do you actually believe some of the stuff you tell me?
What does this have to do with having slabs under your pots??
Oh King... a clone is just a plant.. with the same exact needs...
It made no sense at all...
But it's ok... as long as you get it.. that is all that matters...
I'd say...
Shit man.. I thought I was done with this...
All right man..
You can believe whatever you want.. I am tired of trying...
You pick up myths from god knows where and then I have to battle to try and explain to you that I am doing what you are telling me isn't possible...
ALL the Ebb/Flowers I hang with here at RIU would agree with me that you do not need a mat of any sort under your pots, for moms or flowers... from seed, clone or tissue culture...
So what can I say.. you win...
I'm tired...
Thundercat
Well-Known Member
Man no offense gypsy but you've been bein kinda harsh man. We all do shit differant, whats the point in gettin all worked up? Have you been forgeting to smoke before you get on RIU?
K1Ng5p4d3
Junior Creatologist
No, your right man. Roots aren't important at all to a plants development. That's just a myth. Dude, I'm tryin real hard to be respectful, but your makin it kinda hard at the moment. There ain't a motherfucker on this planet who's gonna convince me that a strong root system isn't important to a plant's overall health n vitality, n it's as simple as that man. I never said you were wrong, or ridiculed anything that you've ever told me dude, but at this point I think that you've been hanging around with your master grower buddies a little too much, cuz your starting to act like some of the master growers do to the n00bs around here, n it's kinda offensive. Were talking about very basic shit here, and we disagree. This cnversation should have been over two weeksago man. I ain't no Fuckin N00b to this shit, I have a handle on what I do. In the same turn, you might have learned a couple of things on your way to where you are now, n that's all good, but beyond just lettin me know about it, n telling me about the benefits, who the fuck are you to talk to me like that? I know who your NOT, n that's my pops, or a master grower who knows infinitely more than I do about chronic. Your cool as shut dude, and you've helped me out alot in the learning process, n your grow is purdy. You know what your doin, but so do I, and I'm gonna keep doin my thing, taking a tip here n there, until I have a constantly yielding setup that's the size of an entire bedroom. But it'll always be done my way, with a little help from somebody that knows more than I do, cuz that's what this is all about.
I just ain't drinkin the Kool Aid that's gettin passed around man. Status here on RIU is a myth. Once you have a certain amount of knowledge, the rest is how big your balls are n how big your willing to go. I'm off all that bullshit that older folks try to feed people on here. Anybody can become an ABF, or any one of them. It's all about how far they're willing to go with the basic knowledge they have. Everything that makes a master grower a Master, he learned on his own, through trial and error, and gained the experience to Deserve the title. Your not a master by association. Ever.
Just do your thing man. It's lookin great, n I appreciate the help. It's awesome that you want me to listen to you so bad that it's made you offensive as shit, lol.
--n sorry everyone for no pics yet. I just got my new bulbs n got my ballast guts replaced, so today was settin everything back up. But I'll hook up pics tomorrow when I get a chance. Sorry again everyone, but u won't regret waiting, lol
-K1.
I just ain't drinkin the Kool Aid that's gettin passed around man. Status here on RIU is a myth. Once you have a certain amount of knowledge, the rest is how big your balls are n how big your willing to go. I'm off all that bullshit that older folks try to feed people on here. Anybody can become an ABF, or any one of them. It's all about how far they're willing to go with the basic knowledge they have. Everything that makes a master grower a Master, he learned on his own, through trial and error, and gained the experience to Deserve the title. Your not a master by association. Ever.
Just do your thing man. It's lookin great, n I appreciate the help. It's awesome that you want me to listen to you so bad that it's made you offensive as shit, lol.
--n sorry everyone for no pics yet. I just got my new bulbs n got my ballast guts replaced, so today was settin everything back up. But I'll hook up pics tomorrow when I get a chance. Sorry again everyone, but u won't regret waiting, lol
-K1.
GypsyBush
Well-Known Member
I meant that the roots inside of the pots are enough... no need for roots outside of the pots...
I am sorry for coming off as offensive...
I just need to cool my jets ...
Sorry.... never meat to disrespect you or your grow...
420weedman
Well-Known Member
thats it ... im never going hydro
laundry day !
laundry day !
K1Ng5p4d3
Junior Creatologist
So, im having trouble mulling over my situation in my head right now.
In one tray, i have 20 plants, all maturing in veg stage very nicely, and getting nice n tall, untopped, and are all going to be nice producing plants. In the other tray, i have new startup seedlings that are a little over 2 wks old, and some clones that have taken root, along with some that are starting to take root. All of them were originally going to get flowered early, when i flowered the 1st tray.
Here is what im thinking of doing now.
Im thinking of picking up another 3x3 tray, n setting it up on its own, for the 2nd tray seedlings n ect, to grow to full vegetative maturity or close to it. Then, what id do would be spread out the 1st tray, among the two trays, so they all have enough room to veg for another 2 wks, to get nice n tall, n then flower out into some monster plants with big ass fuckin nuggets. I wanna be able to get 2oz minimum from each plant, n if i do what im thinking of doing, ill be able to achieve this easily.
On the other hand, if i were to just stick with my original plan, and flower these trays out, and wait on upgrading everytihng until after my first harvest, ill have 40 plants total going into flower in 2 wks, which will no doubt get me at least 40 oz, which would be the same result that i would have gotten from the one tray, if i were to have spread it out more. This option would also force me to take 3 or 4 mothers that ill pick out from the variety of strains i have going, and grow them out in my tent, and have them ready to go for when im done with this grow, and ready to grow perpetually. I'd also probably have to start another 5-10 plants in the meantime, just so i have something to harvest without waiting 8 wks in between the finish of this grow and the finish of my first batch of perpetualness.
So, either options are viable, and really appealing to me, its just the 2nd one is easier and less expensive at the moment for me to pull off. If i waited for my 1st harvest to upgrade, id only have to wait about 5 1/2 wks to be able to get everything i need, so its not like i'd be suffering or anything - id actually be able to get started on the first two trays of my perpetual grow, while i wait for these two trays to finish up. But just the idea of having 20 big ass fuckin plants thatll end up lookin like something out of hightimes mag, is soooooo appealing to me man. To be able to open up my panda film enclosure, n check out 20 HUGE tops on 20 HUGE plants, all staked up with branches supported, just lookin fuckin amazing, would really make my day. lol, This is kinda one of those good problems to have i guess, but nevertheless its a problem.
I just kinda had THIS vision in my head for what my garden would look like if i were to take the wee ones out n just grow out the monsters now.
- But then again in the same turn, ill still have shit lookin like this sorta, ill just have little plants hooked up too. N i still have my netting ready to go, im just in the middle of weighing my options at the moment as to what the smart thing to do at this point is. Any SERIOUS feedback is always appreciated and in this case in particular, kinda needed, but be aware that i may still end up goin with my gut on this, so dont get pissed off if i do
In one tray, i have 20 plants, all maturing in veg stage very nicely, and getting nice n tall, untopped, and are all going to be nice producing plants. In the other tray, i have new startup seedlings that are a little over 2 wks old, and some clones that have taken root, along with some that are starting to take root. All of them were originally going to get flowered early, when i flowered the 1st tray.
Here is what im thinking of doing now.
Im thinking of picking up another 3x3 tray, n setting it up on its own, for the 2nd tray seedlings n ect, to grow to full vegetative maturity or close to it. Then, what id do would be spread out the 1st tray, among the two trays, so they all have enough room to veg for another 2 wks, to get nice n tall, n then flower out into some monster plants with big ass fuckin nuggets. I wanna be able to get 2oz minimum from each plant, n if i do what im thinking of doing, ill be able to achieve this easily.
On the other hand, if i were to just stick with my original plan, and flower these trays out, and wait on upgrading everytihng until after my first harvest, ill have 40 plants total going into flower in 2 wks, which will no doubt get me at least 40 oz, which would be the same result that i would have gotten from the one tray, if i were to have spread it out more. This option would also force me to take 3 or 4 mothers that ill pick out from the variety of strains i have going, and grow them out in my tent, and have them ready to go for when im done with this grow, and ready to grow perpetually. I'd also probably have to start another 5-10 plants in the meantime, just so i have something to harvest without waiting 8 wks in between the finish of this grow and the finish of my first batch of perpetualness.
So, either options are viable, and really appealing to me, its just the 2nd one is easier and less expensive at the moment for me to pull off. If i waited for my 1st harvest to upgrade, id only have to wait about 5 1/2 wks to be able to get everything i need, so its not like i'd be suffering or anything - id actually be able to get started on the first two trays of my perpetual grow, while i wait for these two trays to finish up. But just the idea of having 20 big ass fuckin plants thatll end up lookin like something out of hightimes mag, is soooooo appealing to me man. To be able to open up my panda film enclosure, n check out 20 HUGE tops on 20 HUGE plants, all staked up with branches supported, just lookin fuckin amazing, would really make my day. lol, This is kinda one of those good problems to have i guess, but nevertheless its a problem.
I just kinda had THIS vision in my head for what my garden would look like if i were to take the wee ones out n just grow out the monsters now.
- But then again in the same turn, ill still have shit lookin like this sorta, ill just have little plants hooked up too. N i still have my netting ready to go, im just in the middle of weighing my options at the moment as to what the smart thing to do at this point is. Any SERIOUS feedback is always appreciated and in this case in particular, kinda needed, but be aware that i may still end up goin with my gut on this, so dont get pissed off if i do
K1Ng5p4d3
Junior Creatologist
thats it ... im never going hydro
laundry day !
thats just your one monster right?? Fuckin brilliant lookin dude. You've gotta be patting yourself on the back right now man. I definitely would be thats for fuckin sure. amazing
N for the record Weedman, Going hydro was the best descision i ever made with my grow. Period. Its simple, they grow SUPER fast, IMO my plants are comin out 10x better lookin than they would if ida done them in FFOF or some other pro-mix of some sort. Hydroponics is the shit, n while the jury may still be out on the final product for me, aswell as the final method of growing ima go with for the next few years, i still love the ease of it all. Set a timer up to your pump n u dont have to do shit but admire your own handiwork for 2-3 wks, depending on how lazy you wanna be, lol. Its awesome. They grow allllll on their own man. its fuckin brilliant.
OOO BTW, lol, i dont remember if i told you guys, but i took a trip up to HTG the store on saturday. I got my ballasts' guts changed out ( i now know how to wire my own ballast into a non descript casing of my choice, and if i ever buy another magnetic ballast, itll just be the guts), and got allllllll my bulbs upgraded for free. Growbright bulbs suck, and while theyre good bulbs, i wouldnt even grow with AgroMax anymore. I got Sun System bulbs man, all across the board. Fuckin as bright as the SUN man!!! Well, that also probably has alot to do with the fact that all four bulbs that came with my two 1000w systems went bad, n were puttting out the strenngth of a 400w system, sometimes 250w even, which also explains why my shit grew so shittily in soil this time around, but anyways -- Now that im actually growing with 110,000 lumens over top my tables, n 150,000 lumens over my soil plants, the shit is fuckin Gnarly. I cant get over the fact that ive been dumb enough to think that i was getting all the energy allowable from my bulbs for the last two months man. I feel like an idiot now. BUT, im also glad as shit that i got the new HPS bulb hooked up into my soil grow before it was too too late. Hopefully now ill get a 1000w yield from some 400w plants, but my hopes aint up too too much, but i do have my fingers crossed at the moment, thats for sure.
Ive seen some pretty fuckin explosive growth over the last day as far as flowering goes, n the same goes for the MH conversion bulb thats over my flood tables man. The larger plants that are vegging just keep on swelling up bigger n bigger, n the little seedlings still look a little weak, but theyll come around over the next couplle weeks to be sure. Im even letting my AK clones sit n root for a lil while, n i think im gonna let two of them veg, n then throw them in 3gal buckets full of loose rockwool, and turn then into mothers, along with 2 of my BB clones that i cut last wednesday. So theres 4 plants to use for moms, n i think i might top my two largest plants (BCBD THE BLACK), just once, so i can have some mothers of that bitch too - cuz man, the veg growth on those things are fuckin amazing, i cant wait to see what they do in flower. That's serious as shit. So 6 moms to start with aint too bad i guess. I can comfortably fit around 48 plants in my two trays, but ill have 4 trays by the time ill need to use the clones, so shit man, lol, i guess 24 clones per tray works -- thats what its supposed to be, right??
So i have 5 TAIGA Autoflowering plants that are doin great. Havent shown pistils yet, which is a good thing, cuz i want them to get a little bigger first, so hopefully theyll hold off for another 2 wks until i flower everything else out, so its all uniform, at least relatively. I also have 5 White Dwarf seedlings that are a little over 2 wks old. Theyre growing kinda slow, but theyll pick up im sure, just like everything else did. Once i have those under control and a little bigger over the next two wks, ill flower them out aswell. You can flower an autoflowering strain before the actual Autoflowering trait kicks in, right?? either way, shes goin into 12/12 in a little under 2 wks. Im doing it this way, so that once my soil plants are finished, i only have to wait 4 wks until i have a nice BIG ass harvest worth doing over, n over, n over, lol.
-- Is 40oz a shit ton too much to expect from my 1st harvest on those two trays? its only like what, 2 1/2 lbs right? that aint too much i dont think, not for 40 fucking plants, lol.
Ill snap some pics in a little bit here while im watering my soil girls, n then ill go back down n snap some new ones of the hydro plants, cuz shit just keeps fuckin growing n its kinda hard to keep up with them as far as updates go. FOR SURE, ill do an update tonight.
Thundercat
Well-Known Member
Ok so I tried to follow all that King, but it was alot of info. I think my vote would be to continue with what your doing right now, and let them veg for some nice size plants. If you can afford to get your next trays towards the perpetual setup, then go for it, and you can pick some moms and start tring to clone again. Just start filling the new trays, and move right into the perpetual. You don't have to fill the whole tray at once, put 10-15 clones in, then another 10-15 in another 2-3 weeks, and so on, till the whole tray is full, and by then you'll have harvested your other tray, and you can start to refill it. I guess thats my 2 cents man.
