K1Ng5p4d3's Cardboard Box Grow (hehe)

Ive actually read about that in a couple of different places, and they do say that the yield increase can be up to like 25% - which is well worth giving it a shot for sure, lol. I just wouldnt wanna fuck it up, and ruin a crop because i couldnt get the timing right on the schedule. All my timers are automatic, not digital, but getting a digi timer just for something like this sounds worth looking in to. Maybe do like a 2-3 plant run with some high yielding strain to see what the difference is. YOU should spearhead this idea WM, lol, i mean, you've grown some fuckin BEASTY ass bushes out of your WW n BB plants, maybe if you did the same strains, only with the different schedule, you could be the definitive proof that it works, considering that you;ve pretty much pushed your 400 to its limits as far as yield goes. If it works man u have my word that ill follow suit n give it a try. Im headed up to the moon tomorrow to pick up a couple odds n ends to finish my cloner anyways, so maybe ill pick up a digi timer too.

So i ordered my EZ clone replacement sprayers, a 500gph pump, neoprene collars, n 2" netpots (ima cut the bottoms off of the net pots, n just use the tops kinda as a way to just secure the collars in case my holes are too big. Thatll make sure that no water leaks through, cuz my pump is so powerful that them sprayers are gonna be pumpin out some serious water pressure, lol), n im finishing my cloner this weekend. If all goes well, n its easy to build, im gonna buy the parts to make a couple more, n then sell them fuckers on ebay with the title F**K an EZ Cloner!! THIS IS THE EXACT SAME THING FOR HALF THE PRICE!!! , n hopefully sell that shit for like $150. a 35 site ez clone replica for 150 bucks aint too shabby, no? that shit could be a 3rd income for my ass for sure, id just sit around on my spare time n make them shits all day long man. Ill let you guyys know how they go, n if they sell, n if they do ill get you guys hip to it too n makin some cash!!

Ok, so while im waiting on my special totes to come so i can make a few of them EZ Clone DIY units (I ordered some discontinued rubbermaid BRUTE totes. 20 gal, and bright fuckin white. Them bitches will look nice as hell once theyre set up, lol), i have a marijuana mini dilemma. Nothin serious, just a question on what i should do.

I just set up my ScrOG net, at about 16" from the lip of my flood trays. Tray B is already almost touching the net, and Tray A is coming along nicely. There are 3 seedlings still tiny as fuck, but other than that i have 8 clones in there already rooted, and beginning to grow out. My Yumboldts all are turning into some nice lookin plants, but they looked like palm trees for a minute, lol, n my BB clones have nice root systems going, and have just started producing fresh leaf matter. The 5 White Dwarf autos will be a decent size by next week, so everything is coming into its own. Now, here is my problem:

I only topped my two The Black's , and one ICE plant. Im a week away from flowering, and now im worried that my yield isnt going to be what it should be, because i didnt top my plants before i start to train them. Every time i've topped my girls, theyve always responded well, and have given me nice fuckin yields, with big ass tops. My question is, since im flowering in a week, would topping them alll right now be hurting my girls, rather than helping things along? i know typically it takes about 2 wks for a topped plant to come back n recover fully, but do you guys think a week is enough? I know once i flower and the stretch starts, that everything will beef up, but i also know that the fatter a stem/branch is during veg, the FATTER its gonna be once i flower. I just wanna be able too get some serious fuckin top nuggets going on. Thats my main goal, other than trying to get at LEAST 1 1/2 lbs from this run.

Everything in Tray B is reaching maturity. All of the plants are showing pre-flowers just about, n some are even showing sex already (and i dont mean my autos, lol), so theyre telling me that its time to flower. So a week is the longest im gonna wait before i switch to 12/12, because come a week from now, the biggest plants will probably be protruding through my net 2-3 inches, and i dont want it to go much farther past that, cuz i only have so much headroom for everything between the net and my light.

So is topping my plants a week before flower a good idea? I need some serious advice here. Ill be taking pics in a few minutes, and ill post some up so you can see how a few plants are developing, and maybe get a better idea of what i should do to them tonight. The plants i topped at the beginning of the week are doing awesome right now, even though the branches havent fully recovered yet, they are huge still (the three plants i topped were fuckin huge to begin with, llol). So i dont frikkin know man. Maybe ill top them, but do like i did with The Black, and top them at like the 4th node up from the bottom, so that way everything from the bottom up will grow out, and give me even more tops to thread through the net.

-Bah, fuck man. Ill hook up some pics tonight.

-K1.

I say go for it King. Figure you've got a week before you flower, but then its gonna take another 2-3 weeks for the stretch, and that will give them time to recover. Just my opinion, no real science behind it.

yeh thats what i figure too pretty much, lol. I did it.

Ok, so back an hour Later, lol.
I just had to do it man. I ended up counting up 5 nodes from the bottom, and topping each plant that wasnt an auto. I had to man, it was bothering the shit out of me, and i just couldnt let it go. So if everything isnt poking through the net by next week, ill just wait another week, and then if its hell to deal with when everything is flowering, then that'll be my fault too, but itll be one of those problems thats good to have, yaknow? lol.



OK, heres a couple shots of the whole deal from Tray B's perspective:





This is The Black #1. I topped her and her twin last week sometime, along with one ICE plant. They all took it, and recovered all pretty much identically. I dont know what the bad talk about the black is man, so far shes been the easiest plant in the world to grow. When i had a little nute burn problem, they didnt get even LIGHT signs of stress. They just slowed down growing a little bit, while most of the others just crawled to a halt, and started burning up. But once the problem was fixed, and i flushed out the roots, the girls just started growing right back they way they were again. Its impressive to say the least.





N now here's just a couple pics of the grow from Tray A side, so you can check out all the clones n smaller plants down there. I know that flowering in a week would definitely hurt a couple of those plants tthere, so maybe waiting an additional week is going to be beneficial to everything. Im going to need an extra couple weeks anyway towards the end to get everything in order for my SOG grow, so maybe it was meant to be, eh? lol.




-sorry about the cloudy pic, lol. Like i said, i suck when it comes to pictures, but im gettin better

OK, now on to the flowering room.
Everything is flowering out nicely. I thinned out the foliage on Sour P some more, but light just wasn't getting down into the middle of her, so i supercropped her main branches yesterday. I just bent them bastards down until they snapped a little bit, and now they just wanna hang downward. I did this on my last grow with some really lanky WW plants, and it worked out pretty well. only this time around, im propping them back up, ALMOST in the position they were in, but pulled apart a little ass bit more, and then bent back a tad too. this will allow all the buds below the main tops to get nice n big. For 7 plants, i have less buds on these than i did on my last 1/2 lb run with 5 plants, so i need to make every nugget count



















Sorry nothing is labeled this time around. Ive been doin a shitload of work around the house, n that mixed with Moms day today, i just had to snap n hope i was getting a different plant than the pic before it. Next update ill pull them apart so you can see how each individual plant is doing, and what they look like standing on their own two feet. As for the flood trays, its kinda hard for me to reach through n under n over the netting to pulll each plant apart so you can see how theyre doin, but ill try to get more n more detailed every time i do a pic set. I hope you enjoyed tthe update, and ill talk to you guys again soon

thanks for tuning in,
-K1.

Great pics man!! THose girls are looking very happy indeed bro.

thanks man. preciate it yours are lookin fuckin awesome too man, cant wait to checkum out in 2 more weeks, n then again in 2 wks, lol. gonna have some swolen donkey dicks hangin around your growroom man

Ima hit the hay though dude, ill check u out tomorrow. But check your inbox too.

Late,
K1.

brilliant ! +rep

ayyyyy.. SCoG is lookin very promising man.. and i just have to say. i got that same god damn window fan, except mine is from like the 60's haha Pe@ce..

Looks great!
Thought about the SOG myself just want a little experience first. I'm going to pull up a seat and bong.

hey king the grow is way fuckin nice!!! respect

Thanks guys, appreciate it as always, lol.

So checkit, i Finished makin my Cloner, n its fuckin badass, i gotta say. Its as effective as the EZ CLONE, n it cost me about $60 bucks.

Here's a couple pics of the cloner man. Im about to fuckin mass produce the damn thing n sell it on a website. EZ CLONE cant sue me cuz its a different design and a different inside spraying unit (even though theyre EZ CLONE spray nozzles, hehe). Hell, i even diss EZ CLONE on my ebay listing, sayin that i have the EXACT same success rate as they do, only mine is less than half the price, lol. How's that for marketing, eh?

Heres teh pics:





-I use a bubble bar n air pump in there, just like the brand name competitor, lol



-i was able to rig the machine up to where i could put a couple cuttings in there without the thing leaking to high hell a couple days back. I put a brand new top in the clone machine from one of my BLACK plants, n this is literally 2 1/2 days later man :



I mean, i know those results arent typical, but jesus!! im fuckin happier than a pig in shit right now, lol. I even took some cuttings off my Sputnik #1 thats in flower right now ( i dont have any more seeds left of her), and i threw them in there. i know itll take a couple weeks, but i have no-wilt n clonex, so hopefully that will help the cuttings endure the time spent soaking, and fuckin root for daddy

I used 2" net pots for collars around each hole, cuz the 2" holes i cut into the lid were a little too big, n the neoprene fell through the hole whenever you pushed on them a little too hard. So i cut the net part off the pots, and just use the top 1" of the thing, which is still a little too small, so i wrapped them in a little duct tape, and squeezed them in there, n now everything is water tight, n fits like a fuckin glove. its a 35 site cloner, so hopefully thatll give me all the clones i need every two weeks to get my SOG on when i get goin at the end of next month

Anyways, enough about how proud i am of myself, lol. I cant help it man, this is the first time ive made something that's turned out better than i expected it to. But yeah enough of that , ill hook up some pics of the grow tomorrow. Things are growin pretty well now, and i think i wont have to wait another week to flower. I think Sunday is the day man. The clones are all growing out, the White Dwarves are all at 4 n 5 nodes and will begin flowering any day now anyway, the BB BonZai mom is gonna get flowered too, now that i have a cutting from a fresh full size plant thats rooting up now, n I think its gonna be a good 8-9 weeks in K1's Garden.

By the time everything is done flowering, ill have two other flood tables full of clones that will have been in for a month already, so as soon as i harvest, ill be able to use my current two tables aswell, and only have a little over a month to go before i get my first table's worth of harvest from my ABF-ish SOG. The only difference will be im gonna let my clones veg for 2 wks after they root, so i get more mass, and more weight on my ladies. Which hopefully will allow me to get MORE than an lb per tray, hehe. Thanks Mel Thomas!!

anyways, like i said, pics tomorrow. Thanks everyone for your help. you all rock !


-K1.

DAMNIT!! i keep on trying to give you guys some rep back, lol, but apparently i havent done my 30 ppl yet until i can rep u again. Yesterday n today ive been rep happy, givin out to anyone deserving, n i reached my limit both last night n today, so hopefully tomorrow ill be able to give the love back. Sorry im so slow with it guys, i just havent been hittin the forums like i used to, so rep is kinda slow goin for me. But i got your guys' back, dont worry, its comin "

Nice cloner!! You've also got some good looking plants. I'll try to get thru everything you have here when I have more time.

NIce cloner bro!! So 60 bucks to build it huh. I might try to come up with the money it sure would make what I'm trying to do a bit easier. I mean I can take all my clones like I did before, but this would be faster for sure. Either way man, good job.

ayyy respect to the deserving haha.. but man i like how you used a brute container instead of rubbermaid.. rubbermaids crack way to easy with alot of water in um.. very nice though man...
im gona guess youl get rid of a bunch of um on the bay... later man Pe@ce..


forgot.. did you root anything in it yet.. just whana know what your rooting time is... im gettin 8-9 days till roots with my buddies botanicare areo...

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

-i was able to rig the machine up to where i could put a couple cuttings in there without the thing leaking to high hell a couple days back. I put a brand new top in the clone machine from one of my BLACK plants, n this is literally 2 1/2 days later man :

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There's your answer justin. Sweet cloner K1Ng5p4d3, looks nice and neat you did a great job. +rep if it lets me

jesus.... howd i miss that tid bit of fuckin info.... like 5 days and they will look like fish bones...

nice cloner

lol holy chit man!! thanks for all the love guys. N yeah, the cash wasnt a problem, the real bitch was getting everything to fit just right so everything has that "POP" whenever you put it into place. That feeling that you know its not gonna leak anywhere, yaknow? It was alotta work putting those collars into the holes to make everything form fitting. I had to clip the netting off of each 2" pot, n then i had to wrap each pot lip in duct tape to make it snap in all snug. My fingers were all decrepid n crooked lookin from all the scissor work n taping, by the time i was done i was thankin the lord man, lol. But yeah, the one i got on ebay is gonna sell for around $200 bucks, im gettin messages from 15 different people asking to make them 120 site machines, n asking about this one, if its the only one that i have. I got 45 views, n 20 watchers on the motherfucker, so im kinda proud of that shit man. I got me a new bidness, lol


N Just so ya know, the Brute tote IS rubbermaid, they were just discontinued. The container cost about 30 bucks for me, n that aint incluuded in the price of the machine construction overall, because i bought them in a 10 pack, so i kinda got a discount. But you can use really any 15-20gal container that you can find, as long as the lid either snaps on real tight, or it has latches on each end, itll either be water tight right there, or all you need to do is use a little weather stripping around the lip, and itlll work just fine too.

Pics tomorrow, ill let you guys get one last look at the trays in veg. Im gonna take the seedlings out i thinkk and let them grow out into mothers. Theyre all fems anyways, so what the hell, lol. I just emptied out the rez, cleaned it, filled it up with straight water, n then i emptied the trays, threw down a bud blanket that i bought from BGHydro.com for 10 bucks, and then i took each squarre pot n cut a hole in the middle of each bottom to check the roots out.

Alot of them had problems with rootboundness, and some roots were turning brown, and looked really unhealthy. So i did a full strength dose of HygroZyme, n dumped it into the rez (i only fill my rez up with 40gals, so i added 400mls of Zyme), and im gonna let that run over the next 3 days, to hopefully get rid of that bad root vibe, and allow some new healthy roots to grow outt of the new hole in the bottom of each pot. Im hopin it works, cuz now that flowering is about to start, i want the roots to be nice n healthy, and abundant, so that there is no problems in the future with plants coming close to death on me. (My yumboldt had a hella weak root system, and ended up dying on me -- good thing i took clones from her right before she did -- which by the way have grown into full size plants ready to go into flowering. I should get about 1.5-2 oz from each of them easily IMO).

So, ill be putting into flower on sunday, 2 BCBD THE BLACK, 1 PINEAPPLE EXPRESS, 5 TAIGA, 5 WHITE DWARF, 4 BLUEBERRY, 4 YUMBOLDT 47, 2 ICE, 1 MORE BLUEBERRY FROM SEED, 1 MORE BONZAI MOTHER BLUEBERRY, 4 THE PURE, 2 PAPAYA, 3 THE CHURCH, 2 DUTCH DRAGON, n im forgetting like 2 or 3 strains here, but fuck it, ill remember them soooner or later im sure, lol .

Do you guys think i should take at least one of those full grow BB's out of the mix to keep for a mom? i have no more BB seeds at all. fuck, lol, what am i saying, i can just take a clone now, n say fuck it n flower everything!!! WoOt!! N now that i think about it, ill probably end up leaving my EidelWeiss n other Church n Sputnik seedlings in there too, n grow them out 12/12 from seed-ling, lol. Fuck it man, i should just get everything i can from this grow anyways, since i already have my mothers either rooting right now, or on the way in the mail (Space Queen, and hopefully another strain to be determined, if im lucky as shit, which im praying that i am, lol)

Anyways like i said, pics tomorrow.

-K1.

oh wow it is rubbermaid.... ive had bad experiences whenever i did try hydro.. dam containers crack....

and if you cant decide what to grow... just mix the strains thats what im doing.. i have like 3-4 strains going in my mum room... gonna get some calodial silver next week.. Pe@ce..