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Alpha & Omega

Alpha & Omega

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I quote from their own website.

http://www.mars-hydro.com/warranty

## Repairs: For minor repairs such as a power supply and LED board replacement, you may need to send us pictures showing the problem. We will send the replacement part to you with instructions on how to replace it.

## Replacement
In the event that the new replacement part does not correct the problem, or there is a more complex problem, the light will need to be returned for a warranty replacement. As for the replacement, we will contact the shipping company to ship the defective product back, and after it has been received we will send out a new replacement unit to you. The defective unit must be returned in its original packaging and box. If any part is missing or damaged, the sender will be charged additional fees for those parts or blemishes.

so, by looking at that bit of info, its not a bad warranty, you just gotta wait for the faulty led to be received and the new one to be sent. best get a backup led or hps in case, but I even think they can send stuff out quite fast aswell.
 
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Icarus85

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Alpha & Omega said:

40 lbs leds is about right, they are indeed like blocks of iron, jesting...or am I? & simple part replacement.....hmmmm. yeah if your that way inclined, many people don't even want to bother opening the box.
But im sure sara would sort things out tho if a grower was totally incapable of repairing it themselves.
Not as easy as you think tho, if one of those zener diodes goes, so does a whole section of leds = expected to solder in a new zener and led? how many people can do that then? especially with the zeners, theyre tiny. lol. and yeah, I do talk from experience, have stripped & repaired quite a few now as sara well knows. Even done a strip down journal of one repair to help people, cant obviously post the link here tho, am a guest after all. Forum rules an all that.
But they are not that hard to replace parts, if no soldering is needed, result if someone gets a whole faulty board to play with anyway, all those leds to remove for spares or to practice on.
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haha yeah they've got some weight to them. Could you pm me the link to the tear down, I'd like to read in case I have issues in the future. For the price I don't think you can go wrong, no more bulb replacement, lower cooling requirements, dont get me wrong though I'm sure their 1600 puts off a good amount of heat. The additional spectrums of light seem to be beneficial, my plants have never looked healthier and the final product is great.
 
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bigmanc

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So a diode goes> take a picture > wait for part > install part > part doesn't fix issue > email back so they can arrange shipping > send light back > have new light shipped. Your taking 4 weeks minimum if your in the USA add at least 2 weeks for some parts of Canada. Don't get the vibe I'm bashing mars I've had many emails with Sara myself just wasn't happy with the warranty or bulk discount. Time is money and when a light is down it hurts.
 
Alpha & Omega

Alpha & Omega

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yup. it can be the start of the downfall with led company's, regardless if their led is any good or not, the warranty is also just as important.
 
Alpha & Omega

Alpha & Omega

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yup, and they can be improved, for starters, you can put in better fans etc.. the power drivers have more then enough oomph to cope with better cooling fans.
I like them ( and also dislike them) for different reasons plus they remind me of the old tonka toys of days gone past, big and robust.
 
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CannaReview

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Icarus85 said:
My Mars hydro lights are reliable and producing great results.
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What is that mean? How many plants per 4x4 area? How long is the veg and flower? What strain? With Diesel I can get 1.4 or so LB with 49 plants per 4x4 area with a 1000W in an air cooled shade in 7-8weeks of flower and no veg time.

The other things with LED is yes there is less heat but none of the manufacturers talk about heat from the power supply which is in the same room as the plants vs a remote ballast. I did a test once with a 340W LED array and a 600W hps lights in a 3x3 tent. There wasn't that much difference in how fast the tent temps raised with the LED in the room vs just the 600W HPS bulb.
 
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Icarus85

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CannaReview said:
What is that mean? How many plants per 4x4 area? How long is the veg and flower? What strain? With Diesel I can get 1.4 or so LB with 49 plants per 4x4 area with a 1000W in an air cooled shade in 7-8weeks of flower and no veg time.

The other things with LED is yes there is less heat but none of the manufacturers talk about heat from the power supply which is in the same room as the plants vs a remote ballast. I did a test once with a 340W LED array and a 600W hps lights in a 3x3 tent. There wasn't that much difference in how fast the tent temps raised with the LED in the room vs just the 600W HPS bulb.
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Plants per sq ft doesn't determine much, I can get the same yield from a single plant as 4 plants in a 4x4 space. There are so many variables from grower to grower. From just my observations my pyrometer reads less heat coming off the light and my ac doesn't run as much.
 
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CannaReview

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Icarus85 said:
Plants per sq ft doesn't determine much, I can get the same yield from a single plant as 4 plants in a 4x4 space. There are so many variables from grower to grower. From just my observations my pyrometer reads less heat coming off the light and my ac doesn't run as much.
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It matters a lot if LED's want to go past novelty and bedroom grows to people replacing 40 1000W HID lights with them and getting 1.5-2lb per light every say 12-16 weeks.
 
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Icarus85

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CannaReview said:
It matters a lot if LED's want to go past novelty and bedroom grows to people replacing 40 1000W HID lights with them and getting 1.5-2lb per light every say 12-16 weeks.
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They are far from "novelty" at this point in time. If you take an actual 1000 watts led it will produce comparable if not better quality final product than 1000 watts of mh/hps in my opinion. You can't lump all led manufacturers together, there are many differences and they are continuing to get more powerful and efficient.
 
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CannaReview

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They are far from "novelty" at this point in time. If you take an actual 1000 watts led it will produce comparable if not better quality final product than 1000 watts of mh/hps in my opinion. You can't lump all led manufacturers together, there are many differences and they are continuing to get more powerful and efficient.
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Oh so now we are upping the wattage to 1000W LED? So what's the point? Drawing 1000W from the wall even if it is for led's is still drawing 1000W at what $3000 or more per panel vs maybe $400 for a ballast/bulb and a shade.
 
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CannaReview

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I have nothing against LED's and I hope they match 1000W soon but I've been in this industry since 2003 and majority of claims from 90% of the hydroponics manufacturers is in your face BS.

This was when tents came out on the market and I was trying to see what I could do so I knew what to tell customers.

1000W/Aircooled shade/49 Diesel/No Veg to flower from clone/done in 7-7.5 weeks usually 1.4 LB dry.

When someone can show that an LED can do that for around $500 I'll start to sell them.
 

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Nice sog Canna!
Im a sucker for buying and trying new things, but Im not on this wagon yet.
Like solar power, these will improve in quality and drop in price as the technology improves. Its only a matter of time before everyone is using them but not until they equal or exceed what a hps can do.
 
Alpha & Omega

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Yo flash, Very impressive dude!! that's a excellent yield from that skunk
are two of your led modules out on that Apollo tho? very common with those leds. As the power drivers inside those power two led modules each, id say you've blown a led in each of those two modules, if you loose one led, the whole module goes as they have no zener diodes to pass over the current if one led pops.
Easy to diagnose tho what led would be popped,. look at them, bet its a blue one. Those bad boys give off a lot of heat compared to reds. or the uv, always blowing. way too much heat.
plus the crap they (Cidly) put behind those led diodes is terrible! its like white kids glue.
Silver thermal cooling paste is what they should of used. cheap skates wont tho cos of cost.
Never see 'things' in the long term do they?

and the power used from wall question again, does any HPS user know anything about AMPS? ie a 600 - 1000W ballast will use a 13 AMP fuse (in uk) lots of 'juice' to get that element fired up eh? 3000 MAX @ 230V to be exact.
but with leds? 1.5 Amps....... it might be the same input needed from the wall but they sure as hell don't use all that juice, that's why the power drivers are constant, they just give a nice constant supply to the leds, even if one led fails, the current stays the same.

So, its all about the Amps....how fast it needs the electricity, not how much
Try it, use one of those economy meters that tell you how much electricity you are using per day, get a 600W from wall led, and a 600W from wall HPS,. see how fast the HPS uses the electricity compared to the LED, even tho they are both rated to use the same amount of power?

Head fuck I know, but its all about the AMPS not the wattage used with leds.
reminds me of the day suppliers used to confuse output with input...

and finally yeah, I agree, it was indeed all Bullshit and still is with 'some; suppliers, cough cough Chinese cough....
But that's why I do what I do.
Investigate, test and show.
Even if its bad, I aint sold my soul to any led demon & will tell it how it is.

Ask Eshine if ya don't believe when I found a burnt wire inside one of their units lol.
Its all about knowledge and sharing that knowledge, not back stabbing marketing tactics

Growers just want to grow after all eh?
But not need a degree/phd in electronics before buying a led. eh? lol

anyway, leds arnt just for growing meds, cant see the CNSA, NASA etc.,. using HPS anywhere on their up and coming space missions either lolol

There is going to be a time where im sorry to say HPS are going to be phased out. Even Osram make good HPS don't forget?
But they are also changing with the 'times'

Peace.
 
Alpha & Omega

Alpha & Omega

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I have nothing against LED's and I hope they match 1000W soon but I've been in this industry since 2003 and majority of claims from 90% of the hydroponics manufacturers is in your face BS.

This was when tents came out on the market and I was trying to see what I could do so I knew what to tell customers.

1000W/Aircooled shade/49 Diesel/No Veg to flower from clone/done in 7-7.5 weeks usually 1.4 LB dry.

When someone can show that an LED can do that for around $500 I'll start to sell them.
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yup. I also agree, that is very impressive , from clone to flower aswell? in 7-7.5 weeks? does that include the time it takes for the clone to show sex?
cos, if so,..... omg that is danged fast.
Whats the max temps like compared to ambient temps outside the tent? in the height of summer that is?
just really curious cos 1.4 LB dry in 7-7.5 weeks with just one 1000Watter is superb bro.
Also take into account feeds, medias etc.... tho eh?
lovely sea of green, does it really matter what 'one' uses to grow with anyway?
growing in itself is enjoyment enough.
All this debating and comparing HPS with LED.
its like arguing about whats the best car, its all down to the person driving it is it not?
For example, my sister owns a bmw M3 for wot? just going down the shops in? lolol
not very practical at all eh? it drinks fuel like a bitch but hey? looks bloody good, and goes fast.
but....she loves it, makes her happy.
catch ma point?

sometimes it aint all about the money honey.
and with leds, efficiency, safety, stealth are the main keys, not really what they can grow, that comes in last cos they all can grow something... lol,... some better then others of course.
but the main attractions for getting a led isn't just what it can do.
Why would anyone want to grow Lbs and Lbs of it anyway?
now im not talking about med. pharm. growers etc.. licensed.
but home growers, why would someone want to grow that much?

Why? Greed... simple.... Cash Croppers piss me right off

Now you tell me how many LED growers cash crop? lol probably zero cos if your in it for the money alone then HPS would be the way, surely? cost don't matter when your talking about Lbs of it eh? lol.

but for someone who just wants to grow themselves a little bit too see them through to the next harvest, then, well, hello LEDS.

horses for courses eh?
 
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