Fuzzbutter
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You can sub my grow if you want, I'm an unbiased grower testing out the gen purpose purple h150.
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You can sub my grow if you want, I'm an unbiased grower testing out the gen purpose purple h150.
ledgrowing
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led users do not buy light house led. gotham hydro is a bunch of rip off artist i have 3 of my four pannels go half dead and there less than 6 months old. when i contacted them they would respond with bull shit, basically it was what i had told them went wrong but in question form. the pannels do perform ok but there is no warranty and they will not help you out. i also have some dr grow right pannels there are twice the unit of blackstar and close to same price and performe 3 times as well please save your self a headache buy something other than black star. if you have 1 already hope it keeps working, cuz like i said they perform ok even maybe well. but the quality of the light components are crap. and they do not stand behind there product not 1 bit
Kaptain Kron
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well well we have a first report of s1 not getting their warranty from blackstar and gotham too bad man musta been somthing weird. I know a few people that have had panels go out and they got new ones within days no problem and there is a warranty its a 1 year you have to have your reciept though did you not have it? Gotta have proof of purchase for stuff like that i really hope you get that figured out somehow thats just not cool at all.
I love my blackstar and my kessils. But im not going to be buying anymore blackstars, because kessils are honestly just more versatile and produce more bud for the area they cover than the black star, however it costs more to get the blackstars coverage out of a kessil but kessil is based in california DICON makes their stuff and DICON makes government shit all day. So you know your getting the highest quality, that and they had a super cool contest where they gave away a GANG of lights, i happened to get one or i probably never would have bought one but i must say it was impressive enough my partner bought 3 more of them. Im saving for h350 right now, but i love my 150 magenta its lovely my agent orange loves it more than it loves the black star its funny i got em both over the same plant half and half the kessil half looks all perky and happy and the blackstar side looks just kinda like meh whatever im growing but im not that happy about it lol. Visually the kessil isnt as bright but the light seems more tangible and thick.
I like both manufacturers i just think that kessil will have better support and a better quality product not to mention they use less power and 3 of them still uses less power than 1 240w blackstar and it blows it out of the water yeild wise, and i dont have to order from all the way across the country lol. If i lived in NJ id be using blackstars honestly because they would be too easy to get haha kinda how it is with kessil in cali.
I love my blackstar and my kessils. But im not going to be buying anymore blackstars, because kessils are honestly just more versatile and produce more bud for the area they cover than the black star, however it costs more to get the blackstars coverage out of a kessil but kessil is based in california DICON makes their stuff and DICON makes government shit all day. So you know your getting the highest quality, that and they had a super cool contest where they gave away a GANG of lights, i happened to get one or i probably never would have bought one but i must say it was impressive enough my partner bought 3 more of them. Im saving for h350 right now, but i love my 150 magenta its lovely my agent orange loves it more than it loves the black star its funny i got em both over the same plant half and half the kessil half looks all perky and happy and the blackstar side looks just kinda like meh whatever im growing but im not that happy about it lol. Visually the kessil isnt as bright but the light seems more tangible and thick.
I like both manufacturers i just think that kessil will have better support and a better quality product not to mention they use less power and 3 of them still uses less power than 1 240w blackstar and it blows it out of the water yeild wise, and i dont have to order from all the way across the country lol. If i lived in NJ id be using blackstars honestly because they would be too easy to get haha kinda how it is with kessil in cali.
BlackMesa
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That's impossible to answer unless we know what the wattage each diode is being driven too. Tricky Trickster!
BlackMesa
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In that case, the panel using 1 watt diodes should be brighter but that doesn't nessasaraly mean that it has more penetration, I would suspect that the 3 watt diode panel has more penetration but the 1 watt diode panel has more coverage. Height from the canopy also plays a big role.
To me it seems like either peeps love the led or they hate em...I can only base my opinion off pictures of grows..I kno hps and mh lighting has been around long time n been the pros choice but here is my thing about it, because those other lights have been around for so long peeps been able to perfect How to grow under them light so because led is a newer technology things r still in trial n error mode maybe? Now wat about the pics I've seen of crazy ridiculous plants with some of the nicest looking buds n huge yields? How can that be junk? I understand led doesn't get the best light penetration but I'm not gonna be starting a opporation just a closet grow wit 9 plants...I already got 7 cfls 6 of which r 23w 1 is 43w all different color temps I also have 2 18inch floresent tube fixtures that hold 2 tubes apiece I'm gonna be installing...so my thinking is if I go wit the UFO light that will give me the other light bands other then red n blue that I feel r important to yield potency and over all plant health...to me n I'm no pro at growing just a tiny tiny fish in a HUGE sea mh n hps is restricting to just red n blue spectrum which r important but there is much more out there that influence the over all plant heathyness..Plants don't just use red n blue so why only restrict urself to em???
espoker19
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Dude when it comes to lights everyone has there preference. LEDs have made huge headway and honestly I think all HPS/MH equipment manufacturers are starting to shake in their boots... especially since this "go green" wave has started. People want higher efficiency, safer grow light options and LED is the way to go as far as that is concerned. From my year of research into LEDs Ive never seen anything that could compare to a 600 W HPS but they're getting pretty damn close. Another two ro three years and I think HID lighting will be obsolete, at least in the plant grow world. Just my opinion though.
Fuzzbutter
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But see that's the thing, they kinda do. LED panels are those colors because those are what have been proven to work, plants only utilize certain wavelengths. LED has actually been around for a decent while, it's only just starting to go from the down low to the mainstream as they become turned to for low power consumption, heat, stealth, and many other benefits. In fact, I managed to find a youtube vid of a medical dispensary grow using Magenta Kessil H350's a bit ago when I was researching them before making the jump to purchase. I wish I had bookmarked it..
To me n this is just my thoughts (I might be completely wrong but) it doesn't seem logical that plants only use certain wavelengths, I understand that there r certain legnths that r used more then others but a plant isn't gonna be like alright that's blue oh that's red mmmmm oh what is that orange eweww no rejected...nah it's gonna take in all the light process it n use it for watever it uses it for weather it's flowering, growth, stem stregth, pest or disease contol, creating resin and so on...all I'm saying is yes mh n hps more intensity which = more penetration but again out of all the wave lengths ur only using 2 out of what 7...I would much rather get a assortment of cfl from 2700-6500 n a nice size led That's 5 or 7 band to try to emulate the actuall stages n wave lengths that the sun goes thru from dawn to dusk, n not to mention u prolly gonna save $$$ on da electric bill not as much heat n way safer...like I said I could be completely wrong n totally fuck my grow up but it makes too much sense to not try using all the wave length/light bands possible...let me ask is growing indoor better then outdoor??
Fuzzbutter
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Both have pro's and con's and it honestly in both circumstances depends on the grower. It's a matter of personal taste, not always yield. However, though it may not make sense, if it wasn't true then LED lighting should produce scrawny plants that couldn't process nutrients properly due to lack of "light" or the left out wavelengths so to speak, yet this is clearly not the case in instances where quality lighting fixtures are used.
espoker19
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Plants do use all wavelengths. They even use...ready... green light! They just don't use it as much as orange, red, or blue. LED manufacturers big claim to fame is that they've picked the wavelengths that plants use most efficiently. But I would like to see an LED with all wavelengths just to compare to one with just the red and blue.
budlover909
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" but kessil is based in california DICON makes their stuff and DICON makes government shit all day. So you know your getting the highest quality"
That's why a bunch of people ar reprting Kessil units burnign out?
Yea right, bro. Highest quality my ass.
That's why a bunch of people ar reprting Kessil units burnign out?
Yea right, bro. Highest quality my ass.
budlover909
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Wrong. You don't run them at full power because of droop. They aren't burning out at full power because that's where they get tested and that's where the data sheets get their info frm.
budlover909
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BTW anyone saying their panel is solid CREE and that is has 660nm is LYING to you. Cree hasn't made 660nm in a couple of years now.
puffenuff
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hey, just curious where youve seen reports of failed kessil units? I ask because I've been very interested in their lights and after reading your comment I did a couple quick google searches for kessil led problems and issues but didn't find anything...granted I didn't look too hard
SWUSAZ
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I tried looking for the kessil fails again and it appeard that most of the posts were not available now on several of the websites must be system failures. LOL
Even asked about the RGB diode fail problems at the local Hydro stores and they all stated there has never been a fail even though I was there when a guy came in with two of them that turned from magenta to straight blue (I drove him to the store). Pocket change I think was exchanged buy someone. IMHO
Even asked about the RGB diode fail problems at the local Hydro stores and they all stated there has never been a fail even though I was there when a guy came in with two of them that turned from magenta to straight blue (I drove him to the store). Pocket change I think was exchanged buy someone. IMHO
Fuzzbutter
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Let's see the proof man. People have to prove if they work, prove they're failing
cannawizard
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http://www.gurugrowlights.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=33&osCsid=78873d3ac186e0e1da0fd8513470f6e9
is this worth it? or can someone recommend me something more dankier'
is this worth it? or can someone recommend me something more dankier'