Led vs hps

cheddar1985

cheddar1985

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In the end iy comes down to bud and quality of smoke u want at the end of the day hps wins hands down for
quality
densest
and last but not least the amount u can gain from your lights so for me its hps all the way!!
Show me a grow that can show leds pullin more weight than a hps then ill gladly to notice but there is none that come close so why the arguement as there should nt b 1 as hps are tried tested and in more ways than 1 better imo!!
 
cheddar1985

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NoGutsGrower said:
I paid 250 for my 1000w hps setup. Bulb, sealed air cooled hood and ballast. I change my bulbs about once a year. about 40 for a bulb. I've had one of my ballasts for over 5 years now, It still works fine!
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U see this man paid less than half the price of a good led setup and im betting he pulled more than half of wot u could with a led setup case closed imo he would of done betta with 2x600s as they give off better lumens for money !!
 
NoGutsGrower

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cheddar1985 said:
U see this man paid less than half the price of a good led setup and im betting he pulled more than half of wot u could with a led setup case closed imo he would of done betta with 2x600s as they give off better lumens for money !!
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600 wouldn't be better in my case! I have 6 1000watters in a 12x12 room and 1 1000watter in my 4x4 tent. the 4x4 tent is just to try new stuff so I don't mess up my real grow and 2 600's in a 4x4 tent is a bit much for what I'm doing in there, most people go with a single 600 for a 4x4
 
Hoenhiem

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it all boils down to what works for you. in my case im not gonna shell out a huge amount of money for an up and coming technology. if it works for you than im glad go green. but in my case ill go with my 400w hps flouros for side lighting and get the fat dense buds i know it will produce. led users, props to you. but for space money and yield, if you have the space, the money and want the yield theres only 1 way to go. jmo piece
 
DrFever

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people forget to realize that as technology grows so does everything else, sure LED is an up and coming tech but beleive me MH and HPs companys are also bettering there product every day i dont think hordilux is done with there inventions on growing bulbs
i read that one guy somewhere got a gram per watt on his LED grow well thats great but what i find funny is i remember on my very first grow i exceeded my 1000 gram per what think i got something like 1060dry grams per 1000 watt since then my yields have increased to 1160 grams per 1000 watt area of hps and mh lighting my grow room exceeds 14,000 watts
 

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cheddar1985 said:
In the end iy comes down to bud and quality of smoke u want at the end of the day hps wins hands down for
quality
densest
and last but not least the amount u can gain from your lights so for me its hps all the way!!
Show me a grow that can show leds pullin more weight than a hps then ill gladly to notice but there is none that come close so why the arguement as there should nt b 1 as hps are tried tested and in more ways than 1 better imo!!
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Feel free to check out my journal in my sig, four autos under 600w LED. Used to run 2 400w hps plus over 200w clf side lighting. I'm quite sure this run will yield equal to hps. Personally I like the bud quality better with led. Just my experience.

I think LED may not be ready to compete with 1000w hid for commercial purposes but for the small residential grower like me it works perfectly.
 
cheddar1985

cheddar1985

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NoGutsGrower said:
600 wouldn't be better in my case! I have 6 1000watters in a 12x12 room and 1 1000watter in my 4x4 tent. the 4x4 tent is just to try new stuff so I don't mess up my real grow and 2 600's in a 4x4 tent is a bit much for what I'm doing in there, most people go with a single 600 for a 4x4
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So why the 1000 in a 4x4 room for experimentin bro id just bang a 6 in there and know id be savin through leccy as u know yourself not all experiments go to plan and runnin a 6 would b more ideal as you ve said!! Curious as to why thats all bro me i like to push boundaries myself but just experimentin id stick to tryin to save money if shit did go wrong!
 
zvuv

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A single 1000W bulb is not going to get any attention from the electric company. A computer, a TV or a couple of space heaters will easily draw the same wattage. A dryer can use 10kw but it doesnt run continuously. If you are running 10 bulbs then that might be noticed because of the sudden jump, but turning on a single 1000W bulb is a modest increase in a typical electric bill.

$250 for a complete 600W HPS setup. I also needed an inline blower $90. Ductwork $50 & labor. AC (unit optional) $99. Ducting for the AC unit $40.

I agree with the comment above. LEDs are a developing technology. They will improve. HID lamps will then improve to keep up. Eventualy LEDs will outperform HID and cost less forcing the price of HIDs down.

As an engineer I have learned to avoid adopting cutting edge technology. New ideas are usually expensive and don't perform that well. I prefer to let others pay for the R&D and wait until the technology is mature. LED's have a big future. I am sure of it. Till then I will stick with my 600W HPS
 
DrFever

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cheddar1985 said:
So why the 1000 in a 4x4 room for experimentin bro id just bang a 6 in there and know id be savin through leccy as u know yourself not all experiments go to plan and runnin a 6 would b more ideal as you ve said!! Curious as to why thats all bro me i like to push boundaries myself but just experimentin id stick to tryin to save money if shit did go wrong!
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hey chedder do you got a 1000 watter ???? i think if you dont your missing out big time once you go 1000 watter you will never go back
the sun produces approx 110,000 lumens as does the 1000 watt system now if they manufacturers can somehow bring in ultraviolet light into the equation , and radiation they be on to something huge imo running a 1000 watt would be for pentration purpose
not cutting other powered lights but the 1000 sure has its benifits for penetrating and who ever said to much power was bad in my book more power the better
 
NoGutsGrower

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cheddar1985 said:
So why the 1000 in a 4x4 room for experimentin bro id just bang a 6 in there and know id be savin through leccy as u know yourself not all experiments go to plan and runnin a 6 would b more ideal as you ve said!! Curious as to why thats all bro me i like to push boundaries myself but just experimentin id stick to tryin to save money if shit did go wrong!
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It was the same price as the 600, and why not give them more light, ones that do turn out right have more bud and it gives me a better idea what they will do under the 1000s in the other room. Just because they are experiments doesn't mean I don't want max yield! And I'm not worried about the 10-15 dollars a month difference in power.
 
cheddar1985

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DrFever said:
hey chedder do you got a 1000 watter ???? i think if you dont your missing out big time once you go 1000 watter you will never go back
the sun produces approx 110,000 lumens as does the 1000 watt system now if they manufacturers can somehow bring in ultraviolet light into the equation , and radiation they be on to something huge imo running a 1000 watt would be for pentration purpose
not cutting other powered lights but the 1000 sure has its benifits for penetrating and who ever said to much power was bad in my book more power the better
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bro i ve used in the past 20x1000wat hps in a unit but if i did it again id have used 30x600 hps without a dought yes penertration does pay divident but how much more is there between a 600 or a 1000watter? Ill tell ya not alot boys. i ve nothin against the 1000 hps but in the long run a 600 will savr you more than leccy it does nt burn bulbs out as fast neither your ballasts imo and ive used many of both of the units
 
skiweeds

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leds are junk imo. they work for veg but cost way to much. HPS is the only way to go for flower. flower with leds and you will be wasting a lot of time and money compared to hps. if your worried about heat then get a better ventilation system. my exhaust fan (720 cfm) is so strong i can have my plants touch the glass of my cool tube without burning. hps cost a lot more to run but its worth it. you will get so much more yield that your product should pay your electric bill in no time!
 
skiweeds

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cheddar1985 said:
bro i ve used in the past 20x1000wat hps in a unit but if i did it again id have used 30x600 hps without a dought yes penertration does pay divident but how much more is there between a 600 or a 1000watter? Ill tell ya not alot boys. i ve nothin against the 1000 hps but in the long run a 600 will savr you more than leccy it does nt burn bulbs out as fast neither your ballasts imo and ive used many of both of the units
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i too prefer the 600w hps over the 1000w because the 1000s run too hot. my plants can touch my cool tube and not burn. i have them just inches from the glass. hoods are 30''x40'' 8inch ports 720cfm. i use one of them exhaust fans per 2 hoods. cant do this with 1000w, they're too hot. also i use the 220v lumitek ballasts so you can run 2 lights per ballast. i havent found a better lighting system yet.
 
NoGutsGrower

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cheddar1985 said:
bro i ve used in the past 20x1000wat hps in a unit but if i did it again id have used 30x600 hps without a dought yes penertration does pay divident but how much more is there between a 600 or a 1000watter? Ill tell ya not alot boys. i ve nothin against the 1000 hps but in the long run a 600 will savr you more than leccy it does nt burn bulbs out as fast neither your ballasts imo and ive used many of both of the units
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30 600's will cost you a hell of a lot more than 20 1000! So yeah you might save a couple hundred a month but the extra 2500 for the extra lights is a lot, plus at least 1 more fan and all the ducting and hangers and heat control! and a lot more space to add those extra 10 lights. Why is the power bill such a worry if you are willing to spend about an extra 3k on lights? The power bill is a drop in the bucket when you start running that many lights! you might save 2 or 2 -4 hundred a month running the 30 600s instead of the 20 1000s, its only a 2k watt difference. So room size is a big factor in running 30 lights instead of 20! 10 lights is going to take up a lot of space and produce a lot more heat! so there goes your power bill keeping the place cool (running more fans and a/c). So say you have a room with 20 1000s that are spaced 4 feet apart you are going to need a room that is about 20x20, putting them closer is a waste of light. If you are using that 20x20 how are you going to space those 30 lights? So if you want to go with 30 lights why not go with 30 1000s? yeah the power bill is more but thats pocket change compared to the cost of set up on a room like that!
 
DrFever

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amazing i run 10,000 watts approx 6000 watts on exhaust power alone and around 500 watts of fan power not including C02 system and other wattage being used .
would be safe to say 18,000 total room power my lights being 1000 wattbulbs and i place mine approx 6" from tops creating over 110,000 lumens on 8 foot motorized tracking system at all times
giving me a 48 Sq foot area per 1000 watt but i dont stop there i over lap so when light is on one end i have a light on other lol and so on and so on

600 watt at best will give you 92,000 lumens so the difference is 18,000 lumens per thats a hell of alot of difference
my friend i have seen planty of grows with all types of power except LED
And in my books the best bang for the buck is 1000 watters
 
NoGutsGrower

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skiweeds said:
i too prefer the 600w hps over the 1000w because the 1000s run too hot. my plants can touch my cool tube and not burn. i have them just inches from the glass. hoods are 30''x40'' 8inch ports 720cfm. i use one of them exhaust fans per 2 hoods. cant do this with 1000w, they're too hot. also i use the 220v lumitek ballasts so you can run 2 lights per ballast. i havent found a better lighting system yet.
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thats not true! I can keep my 1000s right on top of my plants I keep them about 6inches away normally!

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ink the world

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After revisiting the post I thought I should follow up a little bit and clarify on my previous post.

On LED's, anyone that says LED doesnt grow is either full of shit or hasnt gotten their hands on a decent LED system. They do grow, I just dont believe the whole comparison of "240 watt LED is equal to 400 watt HPS"......It isnt and I can tell you this firsthand, from MY grow not some guys post that I read. I ran the Blackstar flowering model (red) and a 400 watt HPS sid by side in my grow. I used clones taken from the same mother plant for my "testing"..heres what I learned from my experience:

LED seems to produce more trichomes.
HPS had a much bigger footprint. I can only fit 1 flowering plant under the LED while I can fit 3 under the HPS.
HPS produced bigger and more dense flowers. The flowers from the LED werent spongey or airy at all, just not as large and not as dense.

On the whole 600 watt vs. 1000 watt comparison. The 600 watt is a more effective light. You get more lumens per watt used than in a 1000. .....If budget isnt an issue Id rather have 3 x 600 watt light to 2 x 1000 watt lights.
 
cheddar1985

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NoGutsGrower said:
30 600's will cost you a hell of a lot more than 20 1000! So yeah you might save a couple hundred a month but the extra 2500 for the extra lights is a lot, plus at least 1 more fan and all the ducting and hangers and heat control! and a lot more space to add those extra 10 lights. Why is the power bill such a worry if you are willing to spend about an extra 3k on lights? The power bill is a drop in the bucket when you start running that many lights! you might save 2 or 2 -4 hundred a month running the 30 600s instead of the 20 1000s, its only a 2k watt difference. So room size is a big factor in running 30 lights instead of 20! 10 lights is going to take up a lot of space and produce a lot more heat! so there goes your power bill keeping the place cool (running more fans and a/c). So say you have a room with 20 1000s that are spaced 4 feet apart you are going to need a room that is about 20x20, putting them closer is a waste of light. If you are using that 20x20 how are you going to space those 30 lights? So if you want to go with 30 lights why not go with 30 1000s? yeah the power bill is more but thats pocket change compared to the cost of set up on a room like that!
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lol bro your barkin up the wrong tree 30x600s would cost me same amount than 20x1000s bro and for the bang your gonna get more lumens than u would with20x1000s u see this is wot im tryin to get at u say u like to go big and so do i and the heat from 20x1000s would be roughly the same as the 30x6s give or take try it and you ll c bro im not chattin shit i ve run many a room with success and i ve used both 6s and 1000watters and for the bang the 6s winn hands down just like hps v leds bro and shit you should nt worrie yourself over light spacin as u aint gonna lose anythin but gain!!
 
cheddar1985

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DrFever said:
amazing i run 10,000 watts approx 6000 watts on exhaust power alone and around 500 watts of fan power not including C02 system and other wattage being used .
would be safe to say 18,000 total room power my lights being 1000 wattbulbs and i place mine approx 6" from tops creating over 110,000 lumens on 8 foot motorized tracking system at all times
giving me a 48 Sq foot area per 1000 watt but i dont stop there i over lap so when light is on one end i have a light on other lol and so on and so on

600 watt at best will give you 92,000 lumens so the difference is 18,000 lumens per thats a hell of alot of difference
my friend i have seen planty of grows with all types of power except LED
And in my books the best bang for the buck is 1000 watters
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Bro watt for watt the 6s win hands down for every watt on a 6 u get 43.3 lumens more than u would off a 1000watter do the maths bro peace
 
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