LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

hyroot said:

Do you mean appears in the spd or the bulb itself? From what jeff said its supposed to appear as a white bulb like the guisseman midday.

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Someone above posted shots of it already... it's a magenta hue... unless I am mistaken and that was a different 660 bulb he was referencing

And if you are right and the bulb appears close to white I am all done with UVL. They won't see another penny from me. Touting that as a 660nm bulb is fucking absurd. What a waste of my money.

(If I wasn't so busy lately I'd have plugged 'em in by now. Soon enough.)

I re-read it. He said it appears white with a slight pink hue.


On a side note. Im throwing my 1000 w back up in another room. I ordered the eye hortilux mh blue. $200. Its got a great spectrum for hid. Similar to a cmh spectrum. Im going to flower with it.


http://www.eyehortilux.com/products/Metal-Halide

AltarNation said:

Someone above posted shots of it already... it's a magenta hue... unless I am mistaken and that was a different 660 bulb he was referencing

And if you are right and the bulb appears close to white I am all done with UVL. They won't see another penny from me. Touting that as a 660nm bulb is fucking absurd. What a waste of my money.

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Look at the magenta-ish lamp (below). Thats the 660nm engineering sample from UVL. I dont see any sort of white at all in the picture or when its running. I really want to see the SPD now because of the output mentioned in the blue and green. I was under the assumption that it was going to be what the Super Actinic is for blue as this 660nm lamp is for red. Sounds thoroughly disappointing from what Ive been reading, but we will see I suppose.

Ive been scouring for lamps that have strong, dedicated output at 650-670nm.. can anyone provide links/graphs of lamps that has this? If not, the best available substitute?

Edit: After thinking about it, magenta containing both blue and green makes a lot of sense. Still disappointed but now on the hunt for an even deeper red if its available

Also, other companies market their lamps in a similar fashion. They will call their lamp a 420 but the strongest peak is at 450-460. Red phosphor is much harder to come by, therefor more costly and rare for a company since these lamps were designed for AQUARIUM/CORAL use which is mostly blue/yellow/green with a touch of red. The sun at these tropic locations emits most wavelengths except deep red, so most companies dont offer a deep red for this reason.) Using T5 for horticulture is a pretty new concept when most commercial growers use MH/HPS. Less labor and less things that can go wrong using one single lamp @ 1000w over 16 lamps @ 1024w lamps plus labor costs and etc of setting it up. Some are shifting to plasma lighting, but still doesnt offer what T5 lighting can do. (I think prof in his most recent appearance said hes putting a plasma in his hydro hut? That will be an interesting journal as well)

That blue lamp has a pretty broad spectrum, but I still dont think it will be as effective as PAR/PUR lighting. Science and technology offers better than what the sun can bc the sun fluctuates its wavelengths based on its position in the sky. With T5, the spectrum it emits is constant and consistent.

rollinbud said:

Excuse me, I really do understand all the excitement here, but I have yet to see a compelling reason to spend $200 on 8 bulbs or more to produce 1-2 ounces per plant. Does anyone have a comparison of all this exotic stuff to regular T5's or the cursed HPS/HID?
Just curious, I want a compelling reason before I spend the $$$$$$$$$$$$

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Its been done several times over, and the only bulb I'll pay over $11 for is the Red Sun because its so unique/necessary for flowering... everyting else, 8-11$. For the opportunity to tweak your specific custom spectrum to whatever your needs may be, I think is worth the slight extra cost for the loss of heat/ducting/and inefficiency of HID and the gain of a more efficient use of your wattage as well as more options for hanging (vertically/horizontally) I have a 400w HortHPSw/CoolTube sitting in the corner, I dont have any need for it

If you have a basic understanding of how plants respond to light kinda like a food source, you will clearly understand how giving them the proper "diet" of light can affect growth/development/yield... you can raise one kid on Doughnut Burgers every day and another kid on a healthy well balanced diet with excercise. They'll both grow up to be young men and eventually adults, but one is gonna have diabetes and athsma and allergies to cotton and water, and the other will be a healthy marathon runner. Growers can dial in their nutrients, medium, CO2/environment and every other factor but many neglect a large part of the plants development which is light. different wavelengths of light at different times can trigger different specific responses (ie.. the introduction of IR helps to initiate flowering, and UV can increase resin production as natural sunblock which we of course benefit from in turn) Some people are happy "feeding" their plants plain ol" 6500k/3000k or MH/HPS which are like Fatburgers, they'll provide what is needed to survive, but is far from optimal. Others who take time to research the theories behind PAR/PUR and spectrum specific lighting are quick converts and soon go balls deep into the PAR T5's.

or balls deep in anything with proper research, anybody know any info about sunblaster 10000k? i can only find the bulbs in the cases and no charts the one place i did find a chart they were calling it a 25000k? cant fond any good info on these bulbs emailed the manufacturer.

pr0fesseur said:

Foregive the mirror i hate photobooth !
[video=youtube_share;YuuGZmHKF9k]http://youtu.be/YuuGZmHKF9k[/video]

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Professeur you sound about 20yrs old. Good for you!

Aaaaahhhhh!!!!!! Laughmyeverlovinassoff!!!!!

I dont know. I think he might be older than we think. Notice the thumb ring. I only know a few 40 something year olds that still sport those.


Or he's emo/goth.

Im just messin...

im probably the youngest one here.... but im doing all right for my age! planing on some traveling in the next year.

emo thats fucked up! i hope not.lol

Haha.. Dont confuse punk w emo or the hardcore kids rolling crew are gonna push your shit in xD

Im 23. Pretty young I guess.

Balls deep... Ahahahah! I got a good laugh on that. I love that movie xD

so after reading several papers and going through plantphysiology.net. My math is so wrong. 3.0E -5 w/cm2. Os measuring par in relation to kelvin temp. Im confused as all hell. My brain hurts.


So that bulb can be awesome. Maybe. If that magenta bulb is it. Thats not what the bulb was described as. Or the redsuns next to it bring out that appearance. or jeff is reiterating from some one else maybe.....

Altar pop those in by themselves. Take a pic please

infinitalus said:

Haha.. Dont confuse punk w emo or the hardcore kids rolling crew are gonna push your shit in xD

Im 23. Pretty young I guess.

Balls deep... Ahahahah! I got a good laugh on that. I love that movie xD

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Hardcore rolling crew. Roller bladers are hard. They like to kick.

21... 4 years in this game started breeding when i was 18 moved into my own place when i was 17 made a big leap in growing between 17 and 18 then a really big leap a year ago but now i have chilled out, got most of what i wanted out of the experience im better for it now and could handle much much larger grow w/ expertise now.

roller bladers... hardcore like blag flag hardcore? or minor threat hardcore? or like weather undergroun hardcore......

hyroot said:

Hardcore rolling crew. Roller bladers are hard. They like to kick.

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Yes.

Kelvin temp isnt going to help much without a SPD IMO.

The red suns next to it emphasize the difference between the two. Personally, I thought the red it was going to emit would be similar to a fire engine. I was really hoping it was going to be the 'Super Actinic' of the Red side of the spectrum, but it sounds like it wont be. Shrug. Guess Ill wait to see the SPD for myself before deciding.

just LOL man. oh man

had some crazy shit happen today gas comp. wass replacing line in my area and they asked to come in. i shut everything and prayed the gas man couldn't smell it 5ft away.luckily he was in and out and didnt let on if he did notice anything(my tent is pretty stealth for being a s big ass room got it behind plastic and storage stacked on all sides) so i think im in the green when i read the paper they sent us i didnt say anything about having to light the pilot lights but fuck it its all good, always a good reason to keep shit stealthy and be on your toes for random shit!

hyroot said:

so after reading several papers and going through plantphysiology.net. My math is so wrong. 3.0E -5 w/cm2. Os measuring par in relation to kelvin temp. Im confused as all hell. My brain hurts.


So that bulb can be awesome. Maybe. If that magenta bulb is it. Thats not what the bulb was described as. Or the redsuns next to it bring out that appearance. or jeff is reiterating from some one else maybe.....

Altar pop those in by themselves. Take a pic please

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I have a lot of shit on my plate right now but I promise you'll either get some shots of it today or tuesday... I know, what a variation. LOL. I will try to get them in today.

Edit: I made some time... just going to eat this sandwich then I'll go pop them in and take some shots. I want to do an update on my buds anyway, so... that works...