Lets get REAL about US based seed banks... 4real

First of all, too much whining over orders gone bad due to mislabeling or germ rates.

we are lucky to get the bird seed so easy! and youre gonna whine about losing $10 seed because its tiny or not striped? Bitching about breeders selling out or breeding too many?? when it becomes nationally legal, and investors crash our neat little system of small banks, have any idea how they are gonna keep up??!! Rare dank, SUbcool, Crocket, DNa are going to get stupid rich. literally the market is gonna get flooded with baby boomers buying purple haze seeds and their first grow light.

my main goal of this thread is actually to discuss the legalities??? How are they getting away with it?

I cant for the life of me figure out why they are not behind bars yet. is shipping across state lines another crime?

especially to non legal states? you cnt tell me, calling it salad toppings, and the non germ disclaimer protects them.. you know how I know this??

because there would already be big boys in the seed game. venture capitalists etc, just like they are building huge warehouses in washington and colorado...

This has me baffled as well. I would not think any of those disclaimers would mean anything. Only thing I can come up with is, with the large amount of actual product going through the mail system the beans are the least of there worries. I can hope that at least. Also what ever happen when the dank team went down? What about substrate? Was sending orders one day then poof gone.

The dank team is still up and my guess is yes the disclaimer protects them as they claim seeds are sold only as souvenirs to keep the genetics alive remember hemp oil cannabis seed oil such things exist my guess it only becomes illegal when it is planted and grown but the shipping Of it over states is illegal as well I believe which I guess is something they can careless about since it would be hard to find and or prove there is seeds in a certain package and hard to have suspicion to open ones package about seeds
also with the transporting of guns and more serious drugs the law has more to worry about in the states we have more privacy when it comes to mailing packages then those that come from overseas

Yea I know the dank team is still up but was down for a short time I believe, an im pretty sure somthing may have happen. If there any truth to some of the IG posts something happen there as well with substrate. Total speculation, may have been something unrelated but it does make you wonder.

Velvet Elvis said:

First of all, too much whining over orders gone bad due to mislabeling or germ rates.

we are lucky to get the bird seed so easy! and youre gonna whine about losing $10 seed because its tiny or not striped? Bitching about breeders selling out or breeding too many?? when it becomes nationally legal, and investors crash our neat little system of small banks, have any idea how they are gonna keep up??!! Rare dank, SUbcool, Crocket, DNa are going to get stupid rich. literally the market is gonna get flooded with baby boomers buying purple haze seeds and their first grow light.

my main goal of this thread is actually to discuss the legalities??? How are they getting away with it?

I cant for the life of me figure out why they are not behind bars yet. is shipping across state lines another crime?

especially to non legal states? you cnt tell me, calling it salad toppings, and the non germ disclaimer protects them.. you know how I know this??

because there would already be big boys in the seed game. venture capitalists etc, just like they are building huge warehouses in washington and colorado...

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Why worie about other peoples busness eather buy your beans or don't buy your beans.That is what is wrong with things in this world is some people cant stand other people making a few bucks and talk to much about it,but the truth be told othere people would be selling seeds if they had the balls to breed the beans and ship them like some do to help us all out.IAM glad they are selling beans in the states that way you keep the money in the states where it is needed the most..ky

As long as they pay their taxes on the income they are somewhat protected. Face it, governments just want money. The reason it's not legal nationwide yet is because politicians can't figure out how to take in their cut.

blackforest said:

As long as they pay their taxes on the income they are somewhat protected. Face it, governments just want money. The reason it's not legal nationwide yet is because politicians can't figure out how to take in their cut.

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The reason it's not legal is because the politicians have been sufficiently paid off by huge corporations that would stand to lose big money if cannabis/hemp is ever legalized. The pharmaceutical industry, paper/pulp industry, oil industry, etc.

This plant has more uses than any other substance on the planet. Think about the financial fallout if it went mainstream. The prohibition of cannabis is all about a few rich fucks protecting their golden goose. Politicians don't work for us, they work for the rich and powerful.

blackforest said:

As long as they pay their taxes on the income they are somewhat protected. Face it, governments just want money. The reason it's not legal nationwide yet is because politicians can't figure out how to take in their cut.

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st0wandgrow said:

The reason it's not legal is because the politicians have been sufficiently paid off by huge corporations that would stand to lose big money if cannabis/hemp is ever legalized. The pharmaceutical industry, paper/pulp industry, oil industry, etc.

This plant has more uses than any other substance on the planet. Think about the financial fallout if it went mainstream. The prohibition of cannabis is all about a few rich fucks protecting their golden goose. Politicians don't work for us, they work for the rich and powerful.

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they are slowly CHANGING the face of ag based taxing to let us tax the SHIT out of certain annuals witch was illigal and should stay that way .
the seeds are protected under the right to farm bill as well ... its cool we are in right wing waters diverting all there rich kids money into our grey market ...
not to side track but here is how we will be FUCKED no lube .
(ii) Tax shelter
(A) In general. A farming business is considered a tax shelter, and thus a taxpayer prohibited from using the cash method under section 448(a)(3), if the farming business is—
(1) A farming syndicate as defined insection 464(c); or
(2) A tax shelter, within the meaning ofsection 6662(d)(2)(C)(iii).
(B) Presumption. Marketed arrangements in which persons carry on farming activities using the services of a common managerial or administrative service will be presumed to have the principal purpose of tax avoidance, within the meaning of section 6662(d)(2)(C)(iii), if such persons prepay a substantial portion of their farming expenses with borrowed funds.
(iii) Examples. The following examples illustrate the provisions of this paragraph (a)(2):
Example 1.
Farmer A grows trees that have a preproductive period in excess of 2 years, and that produce an annual crop. Farmer A is not required by section 447 to use an accrual method or prohibited by section 448(a)(3) from using the cash method. Accordingly, Farmer A qualifies for the exception described in this paragraph (a)(2). Since the trees have a preproductive period in excess of 2 years, Farmer A must capitalize the direct costs and an allocable portion of the indirect costs that directly benefit or are incurred by reason of the production of the trees. Since the annual crop has a preproductive period of 2 years or less, Farmer A is not required to capitalize the costs of producing the crops.
Example 2.
Assume the same facts as Example 1, except that Farmer A is required by section 447 to use an accrual method or prohibited by 448(a)(3) from using the cash method. Farmer A does not qualify for the exception described in this paragraph (a)(2). Farmer A is required to capitalize the direct costs and an allocable portion of the indirect costs that directly benefit or are incurred by reason of the production of the trees and crops.
(3) Costs required to be capitalized or inventoried under another provision. The exceptions from capitalization provided in paragraphs (a)(2), (d) and (e) of this section do not apply to any cost that is required to be capitalized or inventoried under another Internal Revenue Code or regulatory provision, such as section 263 or 471.
(4) Farming business
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.263A-4

Velvet Elvis said:

First of all, too much whining over orders gone bad due to mislabeling or germ rates.

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What you call 'whining', I call RIU members passing on their experiences to others - good and bad.

Kind of the purpose of the site, is it not?

Amos Otis said:

What you call 'whining', I call RIU members passing on their experiences to others - good and bad.

Kind of the purpose of the site, is it not?

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I guess you suppose to take bad seeds and not say anything. Yea right if them shits bad I'm blasting whatever company that's pushing them. If I spend 70-300 on a pack of beans and they hermie I'm letting everybody and their momma know.

im pretty sure it is still totally illegal. why else did they arrest marc emery decades ago? because it was across national borders?

you would have to think,the big boys knows exactly who TDT is. and its only a ma

Amos Otis said:

What you call 'whining', I call RIU members passing on their experiences to others - good and bad.

Kind of the purpose of the site, is it not?

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yeah if youre a bunch of old ladys.

my point is we all forget how lucky we are to get beans.

some of us are old enough to remember dreaming of sending in to marc emery but the risk was too great.

all you whiny kids are spoiled.

and I have been buying beans now since the marc emery days, and I have only had one plant hermie. my own fault with light leaks and a fem seed plant going against my normal routine.

i have purposely stayed away from hermie prone genetics and fems for the most part for going on 20 years.

dont see me complain about losing $20 or 200 do you. report on quality yes. report if herms yes. but dont whine about losing money and demanding a refund. you probably deserve the grief.

Velvet Elvis said:

dont see me complain about losing $20 or 200 do you. report on quality yes. report if herms yes. but dont whine about losing money and demanding a refund. you probably deserve the grief.

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Seriously? You put Sour Patch on blast, and made an entire thread dedicated to it. Everyone (myself included) patted you on the back for sharing a shitty experience...and now you're belittling others for doing the same?

st0wandgrow said:

The reason it's not legal is because the politicians have been sufficiently paid off by huge corporations that would stand to lose big money if cannabis/hemp is ever legalized. The pharmaceutical industry, paper/pulp industry, oil industry, etc.

This plant has more uses than any other substance on the planet. Think about the financial fallout if it went mainstream. The prohibition of cannabis is all about a few rich fucks protecting their golden goose. Politicians don't work for us, they work for the rich and powerful.

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"Man...... Don't make me pull this car over" You are so right. Until we get a president with a real set of BALLS who can tell the Attorney Gereral to remove weed from class 1 to the same class as Alcohol and Tobacco.... We are always going to be looking over our shoulders and hoping things turn out ok.

put em on blast for false advertising yes. and once resolved took em off blast.

Velvet Elvis said:

put em on blast for false advertising yes. and once resolved took em off blast.

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Selling people fems, and they then turn out to be regs isn't false advertising?

quit picking apart my words.

its much different than saying available when they are not.

FEMINIZED seeds should be understood as VOODOO by now. no whiners allowed. its a chance all you take.

Velvet Elvis said:

quit picking apart my words.

its much different than saying available when they are not.

FEMINIZED seeds should be understood as VOODOO by now. no whiners allowed. its a chance all you take.

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Stop being a hypocrite and I'll have nothing to pick apart. You don't make the rules around here. If someone has a shitty experience with a breeder or Seedbank they are free to share it...just like you did.

on their own thread. you dont make rules around here either.

go start your own thread about how whining and crying after buying fems from inhouse turned out to be potato plants. IDGAF.