Libya: No Fly Zone is a Go! International Effort and No Troops on the Ground

Yes and the actual mission is a mystery.

It is now known that only Saudi Arabia and UAE were onboard at first now the rest of the Arab League is complaining.

I commented that Libya is blocking media coverage of Bahrain and it has. Those people are going to trial ( 200 ) and they use swords to chop heads there.
This is Saudi Arabia; the only foreign nation to have an American secret service detail cover their embassy.

Still there are no foreign troops on the ground.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12870106

Go NATO!!! WOOP WOOP. and we're about to hand over operations to this bunch of cowboys, go the civilized western world! At what point is there a review to see which side has killed more civilians? Surely once the "coalition" take the top spot for killing civilians whic they no doubt will, surely the UN should then take action against the coalition for being a danger to civilians and start bombing all our airbases and shit? :D
 
kinda dumb to go flying in the middle of a war zone.

Prolly thought they could sneak a quick one in and kaboom.


who said its war ???? i thought its ok to send tomohawks on a country , fly in there air space drop bombs but its not a war
 
Yes and the actual mission is a mystery.

It is now known that only Saudi Arabia and UAE were onboard at first now the rest of the Arab League is complaining.

I commented that Libya is blocking media coverage of Bahrain and it has. Those people are going to trial ( 200 ) and they use swords to chop heads there.
This is Saudi Arabia; the only foreign nation to have an American secret service detail cover their embassy.

Still there are no foreign troops on the ground.

The actual mission ? Could have something to do with the dollar and keeping oil producing countries using it.

What will happen if those countries stop trading in dollars? I hope you can grow a garden that is more than just kind bud.

Rest assured whatever "they" say the mission is....it is something else.
 
Wait a minute. How did this happen? A month or so ago, massive bombing of Libya was on no one's agenda. Libya's government was just as tyrannical and its leader was just as loony then as now. Other governments around the world were even worse, and still are. In fact, among the usual enthusiasts for this sort of thing, Libya was considered one of the least urgent cases of awfulocracy because we had supposedly de-fanged Col. Moammar Kadafi in 2003, when he suddenly surprised everyone by promising to dismantle his secret nuclear program, permit inspections and abide by the terms of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

Kadafi was like a Middle Eastern Fidel Castro — dead. We were just waiting for him to lie down. What's more, credit for this tremendous victory was assigned to George W. Bush as a bonus side effect of his decision to invade Iraq and take down Saddam Hussein. This put the fear of Allah in the mercurial colonel. Or so they said. But apparently not. Somehow, Moammar got his mojo back.

So how is it that the United States is now more or less committed to overthrowing the Kadafi regime, and soon? That's not yet our official position, of course. Officially, we are merely enforcing a no-fly zone imposed by the United Nations, and trying to protect a dissident movement from being crushed.

What's more, we are supposedly mere participants in a multilateral effort. Supposedly, in fact, we're not even the leader of this coalition, a role we have turned over to the British and French. (You knew the war was serious when the New York Times started to refer to our side in headlines as "the allies.") It's true that France jumped the queue rather than waiting its turn to bomb like all the other, better-behaved countries (even while delaying the official start by summoning all the players to Paris over the weekend). But that doesn't make them the leaders. That just makes them French.

As for that U.N. resolution, it's more a matter of "Let's you and him fight." The U.S. will be expected to do the heavy lifting. And if the U.S. had been opposed, it would not be happening. If Kadafi is still in power a year from now, even if he is obeying the no-fly rules, it will be regarded worldwide as more evidence of America's decline as a great power and regarded in America as evidence that Democrats in general and Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton in particular are not ready to play foreign policy with the big children.

On a more high-minded level, Obama would like to demonstrate that sharing the burden, including the burden of leadership, with coalition partners is a better way to go about this sort of thing. But one way or another, he's in it now, and so are we. And when he says that compromise is unacceptable, there's every reason to believe he means it.

So once again the bombs are bursting on CNN. But why? We're getting terribly familiar with this routine, and even complacent about it. Obama wasn't even in this country when the bombing started.

Obviously, things are changing in the Middle East. As everyone says, the democratic revolt that is sweeping the region is our opportunity to get on "the right side of history" for once.

But how sure are you that the protesters for democracy (if that is in fact what they are protesting for) will credit the United States with helping their cause, rather than blaming us for raining bombs on yet another Arab country? Inevitably, there will be — probably already is — "collateral damage" (a mosque built too close to a fuel storage facility, or an orphanage hit by accident when U.S. intelligence mistakes it for a military training camp). We will be forced to plead that "accidents can happen," which is true and a good excuse in the middle of a war.

But it's not a good excuse before the war starts. In 1986, Kadafi scored a propaganda victory when U.S. bombs on Tripoli killed a little girl he claimed was his adopted daughter. (True, Kadafi is fairly loose in his definition of offspring. In a letter to Obama on Sunday, he repeatedly referred to the president as "our son." Although he might just have been goading the "birthers.")

The elder Brahmins of the region, represented by the Arab League, are sending decidedly mixed signals as always. No doubt they could live very happily without Kadafi. But they don't care for revolution of either the democratic or theocratic kind, and seem a bit uncomfortable joining in a coalition with the U.S. to violate the sovereignty of yet another Arab country.

Meanwhile, they are doing very nicely on the wrong side of history, with oil up above $100 a barrel. In the annals of ingratitude, there is nothing like it. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have broken every promise they made before the Persian Gulf War about moving to democracy when it was over.

Was there nothing we could have done between sitting on our hands and launching something close to all-out war? Sure there was. We could've done what we did for Eastern Europe, which helped bring victory in the Cold War: verbal support and financial support for dissidents and democrats. Make clear which side we're on, but without overpromising. It sounds like the opposite of "Speak softly and carry a big stick," and in a way, it is. But it worked to defeat communism, and our track record with bigger ambitions in smaller situations has not been impressive.
 
Look are you gonna believe your eyes or our reports??? !!! WAR is peace dammit, and this isn't a war because we haven't declared it to be one!!
 
Look are you gonna believe your eyes or our reports??? !!! WAR is peace dammit, and this isn't a war because we haven't declared it to be one!!

joining in a coalition with the U.S. to violate the sovereignty of yet another Arab country.

are you fckin kidding me so you say its ok for a country to violate a country by bombing it is not a act of war cause you haven't declared it lmao

like you being at a bar and i walk up to you and beat the daylights out of you its not assault causeing bodily harm yet witnesses saw it
But i forgot its USA only they decide its a act of war hahahaha
but hey with already proof already that usa has killed civilians this tells me its what you would call colateral damage guess what most americans don't realize you will never win
all your doin is showing your ignorance to the mosliem world i learned along time ago stay out of trouble and trouble won;t come your way
its just a matter of time when these people will bring a war on your soil god forbid the day usa goes under martial law cause nobody will be safe parents wont send there kids to school car bombings goin on all over but at the end who wins all you previous marines what they fought so hard for (Freedom) will be lost cause you wont be safe in your own back yard
it is already happening new home areas being build like a fortress cement walls electronic gates security
 
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The list below shows the number of facilities used by Muslims for religious activities and community affairs:​
Mosques/Islamic Centers 843Islamic Schools 165Associations 426Publications 89There are 165 Islamic Schools in the United States, of which 92 are full time. Figures here for Masjids/Islamic Centers are based on our directory listings
 
I'm just back from the shops. The majority of the newspapers i saw had the front page story based around the fear that there's gonna be another Lockerbie incident. Well no fucking shit.... Why is the UN not breathing down our necks for endangering UK civilian lives over meddling in something that doesn't concern us.
 
The actual mission ? Could have something to do with the dollar and keeping oil producing countries using it.

What will happen if those countries stop trading in dollars? I hope you can grow a garden that is more than just kind bud.

Rest assured whatever "they" say the mission is....it is something else.

Viva Revolution!!!

They want to bring them into the Central banking system. Exactly rob. The dollar weakness we have been experiencing was planned to put the squeeze on and cause demonstrations and rioting etc. Iran will be next.
 
The United States has turned over control of air space to the U.N.
The USA will still provide logistics and support but will resend authority for further Air Strikes unless requested by the U.N.

I'm slow to report. My Bad.
 
pot smokers? up to speed?
mahahahaha!

i just found a lighter i've been looking for the last half past hour...it was in my other hand
mahahaha
 
pot smokers? up to speed?
mahahahaha!

i just found a lighter i've been looking for the last half past hour...it was in my other hand
mahahaha

Nifty avatar.
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I have been benefiting on lighter control and storage discipline. Habit is comfort.
 
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