Libya: No Fly Zone is a Go! International Effort and No Troops on the Ground

wait til england needs our help , lol

tip top toker said:

Then i'd say yopur country is fucked up over in the Uk we don't really have aproblem with saying it as it is. I mean if saying someone with a rag around his head is racist, how in fuck do you describe black people in the states?

And last i checked i was opposed to the americans and british killing off libyan civilians, where again was i promoting their death? And i'm still wondering what american sikhs has to do with anytbning. We're talking about a situation in libya here coudln't give two flying fucks about what you guys get upto in ameria, you guys hate on people and kill each other every damned day, you guys are the last people i would turn to for moral advice.

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If you're white, you don't DARE describe black people in the states! Political correctness has a stranglehold on this country. Hell, I'll probably be called a racist for this post.

doc111 said:

If you're white, you don't DARE describe black people in the states! Political correctness has a stranglehold on this country. Hell, I'll probably be called a racist for this post.

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Political Correctness is the bi-product of Racism.

It exists because of hate and private banks.
Trying to blame the people of today for political correctness is silly.

Ernst said:

Political Correctness is the bi-product of Racism.

It exists because of hate and private banks.
Trying to blame the people of today for political correctness is silly.

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Not blaming anybody, simply stating an opinion. Racism has always, and will always be with us, like it or not. You will never entirely rid the world of it, just as you will never eliminate poverty, greed, war, injustice, etc. I was accused of being racist for writing up an African American firefighter who was late damn near every shift. Not just 5 minutes either and not just once or twice. He was talked to. He was counselled, to no avail. When I was finally forced to take action I was immediately assaulted with accusations and flat out called a racist. The fucked up part is I was then investigated for it, even though there was absolutely no basis for it. This one seemingly insignificant incident nearly cost me my career. I was painted racist simply because I was accused of it. This was far from an isolated incident. My wife is in management and has been accused of it on numerous occasions, usually whenever she has to discipline an African American employee. This does not happen with the Hispanic employees. We are far from the only country who enslaved Africans, yet we seem to be the only country struggling with these problems. I agree that racism is horrible but what does this Political Correctness actually solve? Not a damn thing!

doc111 said:

Not blaming anybody, simply stating an opinion. Racism has always, and will always be with us, like it or not. You will never entirely rid the world of it, just as you will never eliminate poverty, greed, war, injustice, etc. I was accused of being racist for writing up an African American firefighter who was late damn near every shift. Not just 5 minutes either and not just once or twice. He was talked to. He was counselled, to no avail. When I was finally forced to take action I was immediately assaulted with accusations and flat out called a racist. The fucked up part is I was then investigated for it, even though there was absolutely no basis for it. This one seemingly insignificant incident nearly cost me my career. I was painted racist simply because I was accused of it. This was far from an isolated incident. My wife is in management and has been accused of it on numerous occasions, usually whenever she has to discipline an African American employee. This does not happen with the Hispanic employees. We are far from the only country who enslaved Africans, yet we seem to be the only country struggling with these problems. I agree that racism is horrible but what does this Political Correctness actually solve? Not a damn thing!

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I had to confront my own issues of racism when I achieved rank of E4 in the USAF.
I realized that within me I had such programming that I came into direct conflict with myself when it came to being in power over others.

I can totally understand.

But Damn the Coward that confronts such a devil and embraces the impulse to offend.

It's a useless troll to toss out racist terms and find racist buddies.. I think RagHead can be avoided.
What has it to do with the poster? It's was his tell that he was caught up in it not mine. I faced my devil in 1983. I saw the influence of my Southern Teenage years on my very mental processes and I considered myself not racist.

Lets face it. We will hunt a rabbit for food but we spend little time understanding the fear in his eyes.
When we reduce a human to livestock, we label him as something less than equal to ourselves we fail to see that fear in our own eyes and it's there my friend. Death comes for us all.

Anyone watch the speech?

Obama seems to be making a stand for 2012...

Core Interests made it into his speech. I read that as special interests meaning the Private Banks investments.

So Libya was the meat between the bread of Tunisia and Egypt.
So now it's a new sandwich where 33 billion dollars are available for the Libyan people.

Ernst said:

I had to confront my own issues of racism when I achieved rank of E4 in the USAF.
I realized that within me I had such programming that I came into direct conflict with myself when it came to being in power over others.

I can totally understand.

But Damn the Coward that confronts such a devil and embraces the impulse to offend.

It's a useless troll to toss out racist terms and find racist buddies.. I think RagHead can be avoided.
What has it to do with the poster? It's was his tell that he was caught up in it not mine. I faced my devil in 1983. I saw the influence of my Southern Teenage years on my very mental processes and I considered myself not racist.

Lets face it. We will hunt a rabbit for food but we spend little time understanding the fear in his eyes.
When we reduce a human to livestock, we label him as something less than equal to ourselves we fail to see that fear in our own eyes and it's there my friend. Death comes for us all.

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I think the term "racist" is often used a bit too loosely in today's society. Personally, I agree with you, we should not be using derogatory names when referring to an entire race of human beings. At the same time, I believe the whole PC crap is partially responsible for perpetuating the whole race issue in this country. The media often doesn't help matters either. We fear that which we do not understand. This often manifests itself in agressive, and ugly ways from time to time.

doc111 said:

I think the term "racist" is often used a bit too loosely in today's society. Personally, I agree with you, we should not be using derogatory names when referring to an entire race of human beings. At the same time, I believe the whole PC crap is partially responsible for perpetuating the whole race issue in this country. The media often doesn't help matters either. We fear that which we do not understand. This often manifests itself in aggressive, and ugly ways from time to time.

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How we see it changes when we are the ones being targeted.
One second in front of a gun held by someone who is only seeing your skin color, your race, your political or sexual bent and you understand that any casual acceptance of the this kind of behaviour the shooter ever received over this, when you are facing his bullet, becomes your entire universe in a single moment and it might be the last reality you will ever understand.
It's more than Racism it is a sickness that propagates itself in the lack of opposition.

Sorry to jump on the guy so hard but I have seen what that sickness does first hand.

what I find funny is when some (edit)white man act like they have a clue what racism is ( edit )...I'm sure you got a story to tell about how oneday you went this place and they did that...but when you have to fight that shit everyday its another story ...Racism is still alive and well in the good ole USA...now you have some that are open racist and you have other that do that shit undercover either way its still done today...Dark man becomes POTUS all of a sudden he not born in the USA..WTF..he was born where ever his white mother pushed him out and I doubt it was Kenya..Then when the birth certificate comes up..NO its not the original..guess what his is just like mine...and probly yours.....I remember when the topic back in the day was "Aids" came from Africans having sex with monkeys/gorrillas in Africa...now how stupid is that..show me a monkey/gorilla that will let a human walk up and let him fuck it..I think that human would be beat to death..but stupid shit like that is said and fools believe..why ????? lets not discuss blacks and watermelon and chicken..wtf...I guess white people don't like chicken or watermeleon..but again shit like that said ..why ??? I think it shows just how ignorant, stupid, and assinine some can be...Well I hope one day we can all get alone, but sometimes I doubt it ...Hate me all you want for the color of my skin...make fun of me because of the color of my skin but I do hope you realize that my skin also protects me from the sun and the creating of vitamin d ...and I don't think all people are racist but the ones that are really phuck this earth up and keeps doing so.

I watched the speech and thought he did well . I think he answered the call very well and did exactly what he said he would do. America had a real black eye for many years in the worlds ( and natos ) eyes for the b.s. from the bush years . I think the handeling of this situation will help heal a lot of old wounds inflicted from previous administrations . I would love to believe in my country again and feel it may be on the right track at last . Go ahead and chew me up if you want .. but I would love to have pride in America again . I think Obama got off to a rocky start but I feel he has found his footing .. so to speak... and is moving the right direction now . I even noticed a bunch of republicans gave him a standing ovation after the speech ... never thought i would see that happen ! I had my doubts about him for a bit also , but im glad I voted for him here lately .. oh yea , about the racism thing ... nigger is a state of mind not a skin color - Iv'e met them from multiple races , but fortunately I have met many more wonderful peeps from these same races .. sry for the rambling but Im pretty sheened at the moment ; )

Lets see, White = Ignorant of human suffering.

Anything out of place with that?

What is more interesting that there is spin to try and defeat a white man standing up against such hatred.
Think about that one.

Ernst said:

Lets White = Ignorant of human suffering.

Anything out of place with that?

What is more interesting that there is spin to try and defeat a white man standing up against such hatred.
Think about that one.

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I hope you think that was address to you ...hmmm after reading it I can see if you did...I know not all...lots fought for civil rights ...I'm talking about a certain breed that thinks screaming racism is overly used...Hell sometimes its not used enuff..again sorry Ernest that was in no way address to you ..let me edit

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I watched the speech and thought he did well . I think he answered the call very well and did exactly what he said he would do. America had a real black eye for many years in the worlds ( and natos ) eyes for the b.s. from the bush years . I think the handeling of this situation will help heal a lot of old wounds inflicted from previous administrations . I would love to believe in my country again and feel it may be on the right track at last . Go ahead and chew me up if you want .. but I would love to have pride in America again . I think Obama got off to a rocky start but I feel he has found his footing .. so to speak... and is moving the right direction now . I even noticed a bunch of republicans gave him a standing ovation after the speech ... never thought i would see that happen ! I had my doubts about him for a bit also , but im glad I voted for him here lately .. oh yea , about the racism thing ... nigger is a state of mind not a skin color - Iv'e met them from multiple races , but fortunately I have met many more wonderful peeps from these same races .. sry for the rambling but Im pretty sheened at the moment ; )

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agree..with all you just said

Ernst said:

Lets see, White = Ignorant of human suffering.

Anything out of place with that?

What is more interesting that there is spin to try and defeat a white man standing up against such hatred.
Think about that one.

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There are those who rise above it and there are those who would rather use it as a convenient crutch. We are all products of our environment whether we like it or not, but it doesn't mean we can't better ourselves. I've lived in a different culture, so I have had a taste of what it's like to be in the minority. Hell, I'm the minority where I am right now! I'm here to help these people, yet I've actually had a couple of people refuse to let me care for their ailments/injuries. I've been on the other end of ignorance and intolerance. Look, I don't want to derail this entire thread and let it descend into a racism debate. I don't agree with TTT's casual use of the term "raghead". That said, I see his point about this oversensitivity about race. I think his surprise at that oversensitivity is a testament to just how different cultures view race. I also believe, as mentioned before, that political correctness helps perpetuate racial disharmony. Nothing I'd love to see more than for racial tensions disappear.

I thought it was not exactly what he wanted to say.

I though he did well too. I get the feeling he is trying to walk the centre line and he has a knife to his back. To not in.

It's clear to me the wars are all about our "American Core Interests" and what that is has much more to do with investments and debt than democracy and freedom I'm afraid.

I was just remembering arguing in some politics forum that invading Iraq was all about oil and I remember those who were on the conservative side calling me an ass for such a view.
I wonder what they are arguing now? That we shouldn't help Libya unless we are after some resources?

doc111 said:

There are those who rise above it and there are those who would rather use it as a convenient crutch. We are all products of our environment whether we like it or not, but it doesn't mean we can't better ourselves. I've lived in a different culture, so I have had a taste of what it's like to be in the minority. Hell, I'm the minority where I am right now! I'm here to help these people, yet I've actually had a couple of people refuse to let me care for their ailments/injuries. I've been on the other end of ignorance and intolerance. Look, I don't want to derail this entire thread and let it descend into a racism debate. I don't agree with TTT's casual use of the term "raghead". That said, I see his point about this over-sensitivity about race. I think his surprise at that over-sensitivity is a testament to just how different cultures view race. I also believe, as mentioned before, that political correctness helps perpetuate racial disharmony. Nothing I'd love to see more than for racial tensions disappear.

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Over-sensitivity only because we all don't confront such things when we see it.
It really isn't off topic when we stop and think about it.

I think it's clear where I stand.. I am done with it for now.

Ernst said:

Prove that is a rag. Can't do it huh.

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Id wipe my bar down with it.... after I bleached it.

Carthoris said:

Id wipe my bar down with it.... after I bleached it.

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I take it that you just defined the term rag.. Something that make your bar nicer.
Good job. How is the bathroom.. I like a clean toilet.

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You know what I meant.

Isn't there any parable ? Do unto others as?

From wkipedia

The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim,[1] ethical code, or morality[2] that essentially states either of the following:

1. One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself (positive form)[1]
2. One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (negative/prohibitive form, also called the Silver Rule)

The Golden Rule is arguably the most essential basis for the modern concept of human rights, in which each individual has a right to just treatment, and a reciprocal responsibility to ensure justice for others.[3] A key element of the Golden Rule is that a person attempting to live by this rule treats all people with consideration, not just members of his or her in-group. The Golden Rule has its roots in a wide range of world cultures, and is a standard which different cultures use to resolve conflicts.[1][4]

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This might seem sarcastic but contrast that with the Golden Ratio and dig my vibe.


Legalize for the people first everywhere.

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Peace .. Late night for me.

It's almost time to watch the Libyan morning news..

I should have something to add..

Feel free to offer second reporting.. Contrast of opinion.. We will never pass this way again..

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