Morgan Lynn
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I mix up peoples names so much that I end up calling most people "what's your face".
List of Reasons You Don't Believe In God.
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Hepheastus420
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"but the thing of course that you fear, is death".... I don't fear death nor god.well, i might have ridiculous answers to the answers, yes
depending on the answers
though i thought of it more as humorous statements about a humorous situation.
how about fear of life? (needing some big daddy in the sky)
and on that note, it would perhaps be cruel to remove the teddybear.
but..
the first thing you said, was "following out of fear"
and thats what many priests say "first you must learn to fear god"
and to that i say "whatever the fuck for?"
its obvious, god has nothing to do with anything that happens.
yes, shit happened and people believed it was because of god, lucky things happened and people associate it with god.
the world happened and people associate it with god.
yes, supposedly god himself appeared on earth and spoke through prophets.
yet, the one´s stating this are clad in gilt and drive benzes.
they have cults that are governmentally protected (how come the only things organized are crime and religion? lol)
and their message is one of fear (for the most part)
with the added subtext of "donate to the church to save your soul" (sometimes you can even buy papers stating this (catholic church did that once))
..
so (in your own words) you hold on to the idea of god.
just in case.
?
its bit difficult not to ridicule that (especially with all the foolish stuff people have done in the name of religion (though i could say the same about alot of "science"..)
you fear an invisible being
because charlatans and hucksters told you so..
but the thing of course that you fear, is death.
I think it's pretty ridiculous to blindly follow a god out of fear, I'm just saying that's one of the reasons people believe in god.
Hepheastus420
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Hepheastus420
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Hmmm where did I say I fear god and death?hmm, do seem to remember you stating something similar about yourself
could be off , of course
hardly a person on the planet that hasnt done a ridiculous thing either... (ive never met anyone, including myself)
but hey, being human.
being life.
Heisenberg
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This is fairly reasonable, but my point was, your morals seem to take precedence over God's will, which suggests you consider yourself more worthy of trust than God. You would not let God make decisions for you without approving of them first, so who exactly is the authority? If God was not there, could you not depend on yourself just the same? There is no wrong or right answer, it's just intended to make you think.
Ah so, you see God as more like a loving grandparent than a deity? Grandma does not work in mysterious ways and think in terms that are beyond our scope. What are the reasons we would not trust Grandma if she told us to kill? Grandma may be good and loving, but is only human and therefore open to corruption, or even senility. Someone could be blackmailing her, or she might have took too much medication. No, grandma is not beyond suspicion, above ridicule, and neither is God. That is the point you should consider before dismissing this thought experiment. If god can make mistakes, be subject to mental disorders, decide things that you would have to evaluate and approve of, should you really give him any more respect than grandma? If you believe in a grandparent type deity then that is fine, but you (and others) should ask yourself just how much authority you are willing to let him have over your life.
Hepheastus420
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That's exactly why I said I'm a hypocrite. I believe god has some sort of master plan (if he exists), yet I would disobey him. But his plan requires that I disobey him anyways. I am his image and story, so trusting myself is only trusting his plan. So when I don't do what he tells me to do, I'm actually fulfilling his plan.
My grandma doesn't have a master plan lol, so I guess it's not the same situation.
My grandma doesn't have a master plan lol, so I guess it's not the same situation.
Heisenberg
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Fair enough. I still wouldn't call you hypocritical, just inconsistent. Do you ever ask yourself why you hold these two conflicting views?
That would mean God's plan is to trust yourself, even if it means distrusting him. Seems like either way, God is not necessary. God's plan is for you to live no differently than if there were no God? Sounds like a pretty reasonable thing for God to teach us, depend on ourselves, but it goes against all of the teaching we have so far, which would mean they are false, and that God has neglected to give us any sort of instructions telling us to trust ourselves. I suppose God depends on life to teach us this lesson, which again reduces the need for his interaction. More and more it is looking like God's master plan is something that would happen anyway, with or without him, which brings into question the explanation of God, and God having a plan, to begin with.
tyler.durden
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Yes, she does. She just hasn't let you in on it...
Harrekin
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Is there actually a reason people don't believe in a higher power? I can understand people not believing in organised religion for various reasons, but the actual belief in "God" part I thought wasnt a logical choice.
Example; I don't believe in God, well I more just don't know if there is one, but I never made a conscious choice about it, I just don't believe.
Example; I don't believe in God, well I more just don't know if there is one, but I never made a conscious choice about it, I just don't believe.
Heisenberg
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Your brain operates on the notion that beliefs represent a state of the world and therefore they must carry some sort of justification to be accepted. We must be convinced of something through evidence, reasoning, observation, ect and then compare that conviction to our other beliefs. Some people are better at doing this than others. Some beliefs get a pass for a variety of reasons, and even the most fair minded person is guilty of holding conflicting beliefs of some sort.
Hepheastus420
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Like you said earlier, there is no right or wrong answers.... So I'm just gonna do some critical thinking with myself,
.And the second part of your post pretty much stands for everything I've been trying to say lol.
Sandbagger
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I have never seen a god or a ghost, goblin, gremlin, witch, warlock or any other of these man made fantasies. If you do take a picture for me will ya ? Then I still won't believe in any of the above until they come and visit me in person(don't forget to bring your mojo with you). And that includes your version of the devil or satan too.
Hepheastus420
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Feel better?
Sandbagger
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Hell fuckin' yeah !! How about you ??
Beefbisquit
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See, a lot of people mix up the two questions "do you believe in god?", and "does god exist?".
When asked if I believe in god, the answer is no. When asked does god exist the answer is probably not, but I don't know for sure.
"Do you believe in god" is a question on your own beliefs that only has a yes or no answer, there is no "I don't know" if you don't know, then you don't believe in god. So I've never understood how people can not know what they believe, anything besides "Yes, I believe in god" means you don't have a belief in god. It doesn't mean you have to deny gods existence, only that nothing has persuaded you to believe.
eye exaggerate
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eye exaggerate
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...I feel it's that tension between opposites that is the 'middle way'. It is necessary for growth.
Sandbagger
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No, not really. I still havn't seen anything worth mentioning....there ^
Is that close enough to a picture?
eye exaggerate
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...virtues inverted. ...there's your devil.