Low IQ yet again linked to conservative ideas and racism

Oh, and screw bass clef. I have some sax, also. (Saxaphone, Sky. With an "a". :) )

That's what the 5th tuned bass is for. Move those modes around the root...in patterns...wow

run, arpeggie reverse, run back across the chord change...bu bm bump, splash. Fun.

Dinners on, honey. Did you have a good day, down at StrokeNutStudios? And what were you saying again? So interesting....tell me more. :)
 
BigNBushy said:
I gave the wrong paragraph for you read. This is take from the same website, a few paragraphs down.

The most obvious African-American contribution to bluegrass was the banjo. The banjo originated from a single-stringed, gourd-bodied instrument from Africa. Later, the gourd was replaced with a wooden hoop covered in a taut skin. A four-string version of the instrument emerged in the late 17th century, and a five string version (the addition of the fifth string is normally attributed to the Scottish-American musician Joel Walker Sweeney) can be seen in paintings of black banjo players from between 1777 and 1800 (Farmelo 189). Farmelo argues that the banjo is “probably the first distinctly African-American instrument. Details aside, the banjo grew up on the North American continent as part of a resilient African heritage” (189). Musicologists and folklorists have varying theories of exactly how white Southern Appalachian residents came to know of the instrument. Some believe that freed slaves traveling through the Appalachians brought the first banjos to the region. Others believe that there was more cultural interaction between whites and African Americans during this period.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gittern\

there are ZERO examples of strung gourd bodies instruments in africa from before the 18th century.

stringing half a gourd with a piece of gut to make an instrument similar in form to the lute, fiddle, guitar and other stringed instruments of european folk music is not new.

you can make a guitar from an old cigar box too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigar_box_guitar

that doesnt mean guitars were invented in cuba.

po' folks will Mac Gyver up an instrument from almost anything, a comb and a piece of paper for a harmonica, an old clothespin spring for a Jaw Harp (NOT A JEW HARP!), an old washtub for a drum, horseshoes as chimes, or a hollow reed as a flute.

unless africa invented being poor, they didnt invent any of these things either.

desperate historical revisionists are busily retconning everything they can think of as being from some culture other than Europe's, because they feel the need to disparage all things European.

i cant wait till the Bagpipes and the saxophone become african inventions.
 
Haha lets not put the cart before the horse never know you might be a racist:bigjoint: Food smells delicious though:lol:

never learned a scale on a stringed instrument I'm like "Guitar George" on a five string. Started drums as a set was left at my house,abandoned Pearl Forums, rather than dust it, I knocked the dust off lol. Took a while to figure out how to tune them like a week no shit and I consider myself fairly saavy they were just tuned to thud, big blanket stuffed in the bass ect.

I found the bands I played with tended to consist of me and the bass player, as I define consistency:)
We were usually the ones that showed up to practice, having no formal training I had to practice a lot on my own, youtube helped a LOT.

Tune my drums, none of that damping cop out (imho) shit....something to the tune of happy birthday tyvm.

It was incredibly frustrating to even play Beatles songs at first, once I got my chops I was into SOAD (Mr.Jack:)) and could keep up most times even without coke lol I went through a phase having double bass' kit trying to go all Joey Jordison on the fuckers never came close to matching the speed though...

Then came punk, always assumed NOFX used a double bass never thought much of it, toe tapping blew my mind ended up settling on a kit with one kick.....focused more on Steve Gadd (took me a fuggin week to learn 50ways) and Queens of the Stone age Dave Grohl style.
 
Well, good Doctor, a lot of stuff was invented in Africa....we think.....maybe. Or maybe just the best place to dig.

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[TR]
[TD="class: num"]2,600,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Use of Stone Tools[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]first used by Homo Habilis in East Africa[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]1,420,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Use of Fire[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]first used by Homo Erectus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]500,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Cloth Buildings[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]tents[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]400,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Cutting Tools[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]first used by Homo Sapiens[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]38,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Fishing[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]using bones as hooks[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]30,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Bow and Arrow[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]for hunting and war[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]30,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Spear[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]for hunting[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

http://www.krysstal.com/display_inventions.php?place=Africa

Yeah, that's about it. Enough for all this.
 
Doer said:
Well, good Doctor, a lot of stuff was invented in Africa....we think.....maybe. Or maybe just the best place to dig.

[TABLE="width: 100%, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]2,600,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Use of Stone Tools[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]first used by Homo Habilis in East Africa[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]1,420,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Use of Fire[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]first used by Homo Erectus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]500,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Cloth Buildings[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]tents[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]400,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Cutting Tools[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]first used by Homo Sapiens[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]38,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Fishing[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]using bones as hooks[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]30,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Bow and Arrow[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]for hunting and war[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: num"]30,000 BC[/TD]
[TD="class: main"]Spear[/TD]
[TD="class: num"]Africa[/TD]
[TD]for hunting[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

http://www.krysstal.com/display_inventions.php?place=Africa

Yeah, that's about it. Enough for all this.
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and 30,000 years ago they invented the sharpened stick then said,

"Well thats that. This is the apex of technology bro's! Lets now focus on the more promising fields of research: cannibalism, Buttfuck-Demon superstitions, Baby-Rape as a cure for aids, the use of old car tyres as implements of gruesome murder, and hacking people to death with machetes."
 
BigNBushy said:
African Americans, and their cousins over in Africa are slightly different.

I made a troll thread a while back, but it got me to thinking and I did a little research. Per discovery magazine recent genetic testing indicates that sub Saharan blacks interbred with archaic humans to a far greater extent than their relatives that made it "out of Africa."

The difference is negligible, and not enough to where there is not considerable overlap between them and everyone else, but by every metric I've seen, and I've looked, they lag behind.

Keep in mind when Europeans first encountered sub Saharan Africans, they did not use the wheel, have a written language, nor have domesticated animals. Their agriculture and architecture was also vastly more primitive than anywhere else on the planet.

While they certainly possess acumen in some areas, in raw intelligence, they lag behind. No rationally thinking person can deny this.

I also think those with less intelligence tend to lean towards conservatism. It takes more intelligence to think of the way things ought to be.

But I'm not conservative, by nearly any measure, except for fiscally.
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Please post a link to that article.

Europeans started exploring africa in the 1700s. Egypt was around for a while before that... I am pretty sure they used boats and traveled the Nile.

People formed cities on the rivers where trade was accessable.

If you lived out in bumfuck egypt (away from ocean or rivers) trade was VERY local. Limited to family and friends.

Inventions and Innovation were spread through trade with large communities.

So yeah.. it has NOTHING to do with intelligence, and EVERYthing to do with access to trade routes.
 
Woah a post was deleted, and I didn't even leave the page!

That's BnB for ya.

Was totally wanting to read his post to his "homie" Travis.
 
Dr Kynes said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gittern\

there are ZERO examples of strung gourd bodies instruments in africa from before the 18th century.

stringing half a gourd with a piece of gut to make an instrument similar in form to the lute, fiddle, guitar and other stringed instruments of european folk music is not new.

you can make a guitar from an old cigar box too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigar_box_guitar

that doesnt mean guitars were invented in cuba.

po' folks will Mac Gyver up an instrument from almost anything, a comb and a piece of paper for a harmonica, an old clothespin spring for a Jaw Harp (NOT A JEW HARP!), an old washtub for a drum, horseshoes as chimes, or a hollow reed as a flute.

unless africa invented being poor, they didnt invent any of these things either.

desperate historical revisionists are busily retconning everything they can think of as being from some culture other than Europe's, because they feel the need to disparage all things European.

i cant wait till the Bagpipes and the saxophone become african inventions.
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Dude, if you want to debate bluegrass music and the influence upon it (or lack thereof) by black folks, then start a new thread.

I never said it had African roots, but that it had a lot of influence within it from Africans who were enslaved, brought to this country, and decided to make their shitty lives a little better by playing some music with the white folk.

Making music together was probably the first thing done in this country where black and white were on anything close to equal footing. I never said they had a dominant influence on it, just influence. I've even provided proof.

If your so convinced that blacks are too dumb to comprehend bluegrass music so they couldn't possibly contribute anything to it then I really pity you.
 
Flaming Pie said:
Please post a link to that article.

Europeans started exploring africa in the 1700s. Egypt was around for a while before that... I am pretty sure they used boats and traveled the Nile.

People formed cities on the rivers where trade was accessable.

If you lived out in bumfuck egypt (away from ocean or rivers) trade was VERY local. Limited to family and friends.

Inventions and Innovation were spread through trade with large communities.

So yeah.. it has NOTHING to do with intelligence, and EVERYthing to do with access to trade routes.
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An intelligent people are a people worth trading with, and a people determined to trade. They will find others, and others seek them out. If I post the link, it will just get deleted.

It's a quick google search away. Discover magazine is where I found the research, well the article about the research anyway.
Interestingly, recent studies attest to the existence of Late Stone Age human remains with archaic features in Nigeria (Iwo Eleru) and the Democratic Republic of Congo (Ishango)
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Taken from....
http://www.pnas.org/content/108/37/15123.full
 
I'm far from a music expert by any means so the history lessons in this thread has been really cool.

I had it broke down to me that (talking about music in the US), that pretty much all of our music has it's origin in gospel or blues. Don't know if it's true or not, but the guy telling me knew more about music than I, so I believed him.

Was he wrong?
 
ginwilly said:
I'm far from a music expert by any means so the history lessons in this thread has been really cool.

I had it broke down to me that (talking about music in the US), that pretty much all of our music has it's origin in gospel or blues. Don't know if it's true or not, but the guy telling me knew more about music than I, so I believed him.

Was he wrong?
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He was absolutely 110% correct.
 
GOD HERE said:
This subject came up in a thread a while back, and two other studies were posted, and today yet another one has emerged:

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

Since this was published peer reviewed journal, you may have to use a database to access the details of the study since these journals run on subscription models.
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This might be due to the fact that even stupid people have enough common sense to exclude themselves from destructive progressive policies.
 
ginwilly said:
Which one spawned Jazz? Although I occasionally love me some smooth Jazz, it seems to be a bit of a free for all at time.

Gospel -> Country and Blues -> Rock are easy enough even for a novice like me.
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if I remember my musicology days correctly, I believe it came about in the US post civil war era. Ragg time, big band and first and foremost the tunes, beats and rhythms that originated on the plantations through the experiences of the slaves. Freedom brought the awesome tunes to the wider public.
 
BigNBushy said:
Dude, if you want to debate bluegrass music and the influence upon it (or lack thereof) by black folks, then start a new thread.

I never said it had African roots, but that it had a lot of influence within it from Africans who were enslaved, brought to this country, and decided to make their shitty lives a little better by playing some music with the white folk.

Making music together was probably the first thing done in this country where black and white were on anything close to equal footing. I never said they had a dominant influence on it, just influence. I've even provided proof.

If your so convinced that blacks are too dumb to comprehend bluegrass music so they couldn't possibly contribute anything to it then I really pity you.
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Pity yourself.
I value truth over lies, no matter how comforting those lies may be.

here is a fine example of traditional west african music.

[video=youtube;TdZk3DlZmbw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdZk3DlZmbw[/video]

it bears no relation to bluegrass, gospel, blues, jazz or even rap/hip hop rhythms.

all popular and folk music in america derives from european music of various types, from spanish, to celtic, to french, to germanic, with nearly zero percent african content.

bluegrass is derived directly from celtic folk music, including the rythms. this was the music the slaves heard, and had access to, while traditional african music was strictly suppressed by the slaveholders.

gospel music too, was of european origin, and was used as a tool to solidify control over the slaves' social groups.

african music has it's charms, but it is a distinct form, very different from european and american music in every respect.

blues bluegrass gospel and jazz have been shaped by the black experience in america, but that experience was entirely a product of european social customs, for good or ill.

in the 70's many historians and social leaders used a variety of fictions to create a myth of black african culture persevering in spite of slavery, but these myths are as full of shit as the use of swahili as the language of the african-american renaissance.

swahili is the slave trade argot of EAST AFRICA, and the moslem dominated slave trade, not the west african peoples who were brought to the new world by the portugese, dutch and spanish slavers.

hell, you cant even find traditional african rhythms in reggae music, except in certain sub-genres which deliberately fold in these rhythms precisely because they are african, not because they are part of the musical history of the new world.
 
Being turned into slaves fundamentally changed the culture of THOSE people. Its a completely different animal.

Their descendants were pivotal in shaping most every form of music we have in America today, some moreso than others.
 
BigNBushy said:
Being turned into slaves fundamentally changed the culture of THOSE people. Its a completely different animal.

Their descendants were pivotal in shaping most every form of music we have in America today, some moreso than others.
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and this means the music they make is african in origin, despite having NO relationship with african music?

you are trying to jam race and racial fiction into cultural issues.

people who's ancestors are japanese, but never learned japanese, dont listen to japanese traditional music, have little exposure to asian art, and grew up in San Jose just automatically know how to put on a kimono, and are experts at karate ...

because they are oriental.

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BigNBushy said:
Take your hate speech somewhere else dr. K. I have no room for hate in my heart, or in my musical appreation.
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TLDR version:

"My Assertion has failed, therefore, THAT'S RACIST!!"


curiously,you ARE a dirty fucking racist, which is easily demonstrated by examining any of your posts, selected at random. example:

BigNBushy said:
I've asked you this question before and you never answer...

What is WRONG with being a white supremacist?
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lulz.

it's true, "That's Racist" really is the first, last and only resort of the moron when his specious arguments fail.
 
Dr Kynes said:
TLDR version:

"My Assertion has failed, therefore, THAT'S RACIST!!"


curiously,you ARE a dirty fucking racist, which is easily demonstrated by examining any of your posts, selected at random.
example:



lulz.



it's true, "That's Racist" really is the first, last and only resort of the moron when his specious arguments fail.
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I said it for the lulz... You don't think I remember saying such things?

I'm trying to avoid the conversation, dr. K. Mostly because I don't really care.

It was as if you were trying to be the right wing version of uncle buck.


I forget exactly how it started. I made a lengthy post, one sentence of which attributed influence of the modern blue grass genre to blacks.

You couldn't resist to jump in and derail the thread, which has nothing to do with music, to argue the point.

I've been to museums, halls of fame, and talked to old musicians. The contributions of blacks to blue grass are undeniable. Yet you deny.

As evidence you provide YouTube links to European folk music, and traditional African noise.

As evidence I provide a bluegrass website pretty much giving credit to the invention of an instrument almost unique to bluegrass to black folks. You respond by saying africa did not have stringed instruments prior to 1800, a point which has nothing to do with African American contributions to bluegrass.

You continue to debate, saying that Africans in Africa had nothing to do with bluegrass. I face palm. I never said that any bluegrass came out of Africa.

I don't really care.

I think buck must suffer from multiple personality disorder. You are by far the most intelligent personality in that whacky brain. But the tactics, relentless pursuit of irrelevant facts, are the same.
 
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