Maine Town to 'Require' gun ownership?

I don't need money. My only complaint is how others want handouts, when they don't need them. Others stealing from me and forcing prices to go up because yet another thinks artificially raising the floor is their job pisses me off.

What job I have is none of your concern, convict, I also hate meddling do gooder liberals like yourself who want to dictate how others should make their money.

Here's a clue, if I don't steal by taking handouts and still manage to pay all my obligations, yet have "no job," why should you tell me to get one?
 
I don't need money. My only complaint is how others want handouts, when they don't need them. Others stealing from me and forcing prices to go up because yet another thinks artificially raising the floor is their job pisses me off.

What job I have is none of your concern, convict, I also hate meddling do gooder liberals like yourself who want to dictate how others should make their money.

Here's a clue, if I don't steal by taking handouts and still manage to pay all my obligations, yet have "no job," why should you tell me to get one?

Oh no everyone else is stealing your handouts...

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Article I, Section 8 of the constitution states "...To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;..." That's a pretty direct authorization for congress to raise an army; provided they get approval for the spending every 2 years or earlier. I was under the impression that out military spending was run through congress every fiscal year, so wouldn't that fit the criteria? How is the our current standing military unconstitutional? They don't have to reapprove the raising of the army, from what I can see, they just have to approve it's budget at a minimum of every two years.

the constitution was drafted within the framework of the federalist papers. the founders writings are replete with warnings of the danger of peacetime armies standing armies and military bureaucracies. but then they also extolled the virtures of NOT having a central bank, NOT using fiat currency and NOT compelling the states to serve as vassals to the federal government.

the tenth amendment is specific, any power not specifically granted the congress is reserved to the states and the people, and the maintaining of a permanent standing army was NOT included, unlike the navy which was specifically authorized.

the lack of specific authorization for an army, and the emphasis on the use of a militia was not an oversight or an accident. the army we see today has no basis in the constitution, nor does the airforce.

the navy was established in the constitution since warships require specialists to sail them, extensive maintenance even when not at war, and you cant really have an armature navy. the same arguments could be made for the air force and the modern mechanaized army, but until the provisions for the airforce and a standing army are established through a constitutional amendment they remain extra-constitutional, and in direct violation of the intent of the founders. the constitution is NOT a "living document" with plenty of room to shoehorn in anything you want based on weasel words and vagries in linguistic drift.

fuck, BHO should not have recieved the noble prize without the approval of congress since he was holding the office of the presidency at the time and the nobel commission is the very definition of a foreign body. but then the constitution does not limit lefties, it only limits everybody else. for lefties it's a source of any power they desire since if you use the right words to re-define your desired result, anything can fit into the "general welfare clause"
 
the constitution was drafted within the framework of the federalist papers. the founders writings are replete with warnings of the danger of peacetime armies standing armies and military bureaucracies. but then they also extolled the virtures of NOT having a central bank, NOT using fiat currency and NOT compelling the states to serve as vassals to the federal government.

the tenth amendment is specific, any power not specifically granted the congress is reserved to the states and the people, and the maintaining of a permanent standing army was NOT included, unlike the navy which was specifically authorized.

the lack of specific authorization for an army, and the emphasis on the use of a militia was not an oversight or an accident. the army we see today has no basis in the constitution, nor does the airforce.

the navy was established in the constitution since warships require specialists to sail them, extensive maintenance even when not at war, and you cant really have an armature navy. the same arguments could be made for the air force and the modern mechanaized army, but until the provisions for the airforce and a standing army are established through a constitutional amendment they remain extra-constitutional, and in direct violation of the intent of the founders. the constitution is NOT a "living document" with plenty of room to shoehorn in anything you want based on weasel words and vagries in linguistic drift.

fuck, BHO should not have recieved the noble prize without the approval of congress since he was holding the office of the presidency at the time and the nobel commission is the very definition of a foreign body. but then the constitution does not limit lefties, it only limits everybody else. for lefties it's a source of any power they desire since if you use the right words to re-define your desired result, anything can fit into the "general welfare clause"

I have a problem with this. The federalist papers are not the basis for all our laws; the constitution is. The wording of the Constitution states congress can effectively have a standing army, provided they fund it according to the rules (Every 2 years). Planes didn't exist when the constitution was written, but they do carry the same requirements of ships so I'm in agreement there. It's not ideal, I agree. I'd also venture to say that having a perpetually standing army starts getting into the "When all you have is a hammer..." spectrum quite rapidly. I admittedly am not a fan of it, but we do have an army that has not been disbanded in some time; there is also no requirement for congress to disband said army though, only to get the funding reapproved every two years. Technically, you would need an amendment to ban congress from having an army raised when a declaration of war does not exist, or something in that vein of specificity, to make what is happening unconstitutional. It may be at odds with what our founders wanted, but if our founders wanted the Federalist Papers to be our supreme law, they would have made them our constitution directly. The constitution was left with room for interpretation; that's why we have a superior court. The federalist papers do say: "...that the whole power of raising armies was lodged in the LEGISLATURE, not in the EXECUTIVE; that this legislature was to be a popular body, consisting of the representatives of the people periodically elected; and that instead of the provision he had supposed in favor of standing armies, there was to be found, in respect to this object, an important qualification even of the legislative discretion, in that clause which forbids the appropriation of money for the support of an army for any longer period than two years a precaution which, upon a nearer view of it, will appear to be a great and real security against the keeping up of troops without evident necessity..." <---From The Federalist No. 24 (http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fed24.htm) This still implies that congress is reasonably within it's limitations; they get their approval every fiscal year for the funding of the military. Now, the argument could be made that most congressional officials have abused this provision to fund businesses they have a special interest in. However, the only reason these annual military budgets get cleared is because we keep voting in people that continue the status quo. As an extra bit of contemplation, the same paper I quoted before also acknowledges the need for perpetual garrisons on the western frontier to protect from "... the ravages and depredations of the Indians...". We had a VERY active army throughout our frontier phase. The founders did realize there may be a need for garrisoned troops when there was not active war. They included a provision for funding approval, under the assumption it would be enough to curb abuse of congressional power to raise an army.
 
I have a problem with this. The federalist papers are not the basis for all our laws; the constitution is. The wording of the Constitution states congress can effectively have a standing army, provided they fund it according to the rules (Every 2 years). Planes didn't exist when the constitution was written, but they do carry the same requirements of ships so I'm in agreement there. It's not ideal, I agree. I'd also venture to say that having a perpetually standing army starts getting into the "When all you have is a hammer..." spectrum quite rapidly. I admittedly am not a fan of it, but we do have an army that has not been disbanded in some time; there is also no requirement for congress to disband said army though, only to get the funding reapproved every two years. Technically, you would need an amendment to ban congress from having an army raised when a declaration of war does not exist, or something in that vein of specificity, to make what is happening unconstitutional. It may be at odds with what our founders wanted, but if our founders wanted the Federalist Papers to be our supreme law, they would have made them our constitution directly. The constitution was left with room for interpretation; that's why we have a superior court. The federalist papers do say: "...that the whole power of raising armies was lodged in the LEGISLATURE, not in the EXECUTIVE; that this legislature was to be a popular body, consisting of the representatives of the people periodically elected; and that instead of the provision he had supposed in favor of standing armies, there was to be found, in respect to this object, an important qualification even of the legislative discretion, in that clause which forbids the appropriation of money for the support of an army for any longer period than two years a precaution which, upon a nearer view of it, will appear to be a great and real security against the keeping up of troops without evident necessity..." <---From The Federalist No. 24 (http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fed24.htm) This still implies that congress is reasonably within it's limitations; they get their approval every fiscal year for the funding of the military. Now, the argument could be made that most congressional officials have abused this provision to fund businesses they have a special interest in. However, the only reason these annual military budgets get cleared is because we keep voting in people that continue the status quo. As an extra bit of contemplation, the same paper I quoted before also acknowledges the need for perpetual garrisons on the western frontier to protect from "... the ravages and depredations of the Indians...". We had a VERY active army throughout our frontier phase. The founders did realize there may be a need for garrisoned troops when there was not active war. They included a provision for funding approval, under the assumption it would be enough to curb abuse of congressional power to raise an army.

true enough, you make solid points as always, but i am certain the founders had no inkling of the manner of insanity the military industrial complex would create, nor could they have envisioned more than half a century of constant war footing and the incredible expense we pay to garrison troops all around the world to protect other nations, so that in the end they dont even have to bother protecting themselves.

if forced to accept the responsibility of defending themselves from whatever threrat might arise, the entire EU would be in deeper shit than they are now, japan would be crapping cinderblocks over china and north korea's beligerance, and south korea would have to dump 20 - 40% of their GDP into defending the DMZ from the kims and their dreams of empire.

we have wound up footing the bill for the entire civilized world's military needs, and in return we get a fusillade of piss bottles and ropy streams of jism hurl at us at every turn.

and in the end the congress has pretty much just abbandoned the idea of actually making the constitutional amendments for their new powers, they just declare it to be so.

to ban booze, they felt the need for an amendment, but to ban weed, coke opium speed, mushrooms, peyote, lsd and pcp all they need is a bureaucrat's rubber stamp on the controlled substances act's No-No List.
to ban guns they find objectionable, they just need a federal law.
to put in place an income tax, the secretary of the treasury simply declares a contested amendment to the constitution (which is invalid as written) to be "In Force" and then he just starts taxing us instead of asking for the cash from the states.
to force states to accept some new mandate from washington all they need is to threaten to withhold the states own money since the federal government no longer gets it's money from the states...
to create the federal reserve bank (which is NOT authorized anywhere in the constitution...) all they need is a bill drafted in secret by the self-same money trust the bill purports to punish.

why even have a constitution if you can bend it into any shape the powers-that-be might desire.

thats why im taking a hard stance. if the constitution doesnt specifically allow it to the congress the congress cannot do it, for any reason at all.
 
Doc,

If the framers intended our illegal military as it now stands, why did we make the Monroe Doctrine? I think it was because we knew exactly where this was heading. The problem was, they should've made the Monroe Doctrine an actual amendment.
 
true enough, you make solid points as always, but i am certain the founders had no inkling of the manner of insanity the military industrial complex would create, nor could they have envisioned more than half a century of constant war footing and the incredible expense we pay to garrison troops all around the world to protect other nations, so that in the end they dont even have to bother protecting themselves.

if forced to accept the responsibility of defending themselves from whatever threrat might arise, the entire EU would be in deeper shit than they are now, japan would be crapping cinderblocks over china and north korea's beligerance, and south korea would have to dump 20 - 40% of their GDP into defending the DMZ from the kims and their dreams of empire.

we have wound up footing the bill for the entire civilized world's military needs, and in return we get a fusillade of piss bottles and ropy streams of jism hurl at us at every turn.

and in the end the congress has pretty much just abbandoned the idea of actually making the constitutional amendments for their new powers, they just declare it to be so.

to ban booze, they felt the need for an amendment, but to ban weed, coke opium speed, mushrooms, peyote, lsd and pcp all they need is a bureaucrat's rubber stamp on the controlled substances act's No-No List.
to ban guns they find objectionable, they just need a federal law.
to put in place an income tax, the secretary of the treasury simply declares a contested amendment to the constitution (which is invalid as written) to be "In Force" and then he just starts taxing us instead of asking for the cash from the states.
to force states to accept some new mandate from washington all they need is to threaten to withhold the states own money since the federal government no longer gets it's money from the states...
to create the federal reserve bank (which is NOT authorized anywhere in the constitution...) all they need is a bill drafted in secret by the self-same money trust the bill purports to punish.

why even have a constitution if you can bend it into any shape the powers-that-be might desire.

thats why im taking a hard stance. if the constitution doesnt specifically allow it to the congress the congress cannot do it, for any reason at all.

That's the bitch of our system of government; there's a level of stoicism (In the Greek sense.) required. You can't expect the majority to always approve of your ideas of how things should work; the good comes with the bad. Hardline stances have issues like every other stance, they have the downside of not being adaptable though. From what I can see, our government was really designed with two major concepts: 1.)To be resistant to any one individual having effective control. 2.)To provide our minority with an ability to protect it's interests. I think those two concepts remain perfectly viable at this point, dependent on voting habits. That's where everything comes from, elections. Short of Anarchy, there is no complete freedom. As population grows on this tiny ball we live on, we do realistically have to make concessions acknowledging that we are no longer dedicated to just individual survival. I may not appreciate my tax money going to religious organizations; just as you may not appreciate your tax money funding planned parenthood. (I wish to emphasize that this is ENTIRELY hypothetical before anyone starts taking this example out of context.) If either of us don't like how things are working, we should elect new reps., plain and simple. Our elected officials are our agents of change; that change was never intended to be quick or efficient though, so one shouldn't expect progress overnight.
 
Thanks for the suggestion, already tried that though.

That seriously doesn't work? I was just playing with you. I thought you wanted something complex. I'm using Android and it still works like that.

I have no idea why either you aren't producing the return/line feed codes or somehow they're getting stripped out.

Have you tried asking Deprave or Fb360?
 
That seriously doesn't work? I was just playing with you. I thought you wanted something complex. I'm using Android and it still works like that.

I have no idea why either you aren't producing the return/line feed codes or somehow they're getting stripped out.

Have you tried asking Deprave or Fb360?

I bitch about it in the occasional post, but I haven't really sought an actual solution. I generally assume I'm not the only one with a tech issue; this time, I may be the only one. For once, I may be the only one.
 
do you have any luck switching to advanced mode? I sometimes have the same problem and advanced mode does the trick...

I did before, and no luck. I haven't tried that in a quite a while though; so that may be the workaround... Just clicked the advanced mode to finish this response, no luck. The cursor remains glued in place.
 
That seriously doesn't work? I was just playing with you. I thought you wanted something complex. I'm using Android and it still works like that.

I have no idea why either you aren't producing the return/line feed codes or somehow they're getting stripped out.

Have you tried asking Deprave or Fb360?

I forgot how to fix it, but I remember it bugging the fuck out of me.
It has to do with something on the forum though, not the particular computer or device.

Also, I'm pretty sure Harrakein told me the solution kp, I would ask him.
 
I did before, and no luck. I haven't tried that in a quite a while though; so that may be the workaround... Just clicked the advanced mode to finish this response, no luck. The cursor remains glued in place.

All i can find is the following - http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/foru...ed-editor-interface-doesn-t-allow-paragraphs?

from what I've read it's not something limited to just your PC but rather a forum thing with vbulletin. maybe ask admin if they know of the issue...
 
The initial post on that link was actually my solution. Thank you for bothering to Google that which I was too lazy to. :p
 
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