MARK CUBAN: Forgiving $1 trillion in student debt is 'the worst thing we could do'

TBoneJack

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http://www.businessinsider.com/mark...nt-debt-is-the-worst-thing-we-could-do-2015-3

If people sign on the dotted line to borrow money, and then spend it, they should have to pay it back.

Many of the kids today want us TAXPAYERS to pay back their loans for them.

I paid mine back; they can pay theirs back.

Some blame should be placed on the "spend tomorrow's money today" credit-crazed society we live in that almost encourages kids to borrow money. And colleges deserve some blame for raising college costs to match what the kids can borrow.

But the brunt of the blame should be placed on these kids who borrow the money, spend it, and then want someone else to pay it back.

Buyer beware.
 
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Totally agree, this bailout shit is making our kids even more irresponsible than they already are. What kind of precedent are we setting when it is acceptable to just spend spend and spend and not worry about the consequences?
 
Totally agree, this bailout shit is making our kids even more irresponsible than they already are. What kind of precedent are we setting when it is acceptable to just spend spend and spend and not worry about the consequences?

says the idiot from the generation that brought us the housing crash.
 
If people sign on the dotted line to borrow money, and then spend it, they should have to pay it back.
How do you suggest someone with student debt who is unemployed or underemployed pay off student debt?
Many of the kids today want us TAXPAYERS to pay back their loans for them.
ALL the students I know want to have a job/career that enables them to pay off their own debt
I paid mine back; they can pay theirs back.
If they could, they would. Do you seriously think there are people just out of college earning boat loads of money who are just refusing to pay back their student loans? Yeah.. doesn't work like that..
Some blame should be placed on the "spend tomorrow's money today" credit-crazed society we live in that almost encourages kids to borrow money. And colleges deserve some blame for raising college costs to match what the kids can borrow.

But the brunt of the blame should be placed on these kids who borrow the money, spend it, and then want someone else to pay it back.
Yeah, like I said, those people don't exist in the real world, if you disagree with that and actually believe that, then cite something that suggests it. Nobody wants to borrow money and not have that investment pay off, indeed, that's the point of a student loan.. Considering the cost of tuition has skyrocketed over the past 3 decades exceeding the increases to the cost of living, inflation and even health care, I'd say colleges and the government are primarily responsible for the student debt bubble. I would also argue generations of people who pushed their kids to go to college share some of the blame. My generation grew up believing we had to go to college to be successful, now that we have, those same people are saying we shouldn't have, that we should have assessed the benefits better, etc..

Either way, Cuban is wrong and here's a thought experiment to illustrate why; Who do you think would be a more productive member of society, person A with $100K+ in student debt or student B with $0 debt? What would person A likely spend the majority of his money on? What about person B?

I, and many others, predict the student loan bubble to pop within the decade and the taxpayers (including the students) are likely going to be the ones footing the bill just like we all did with the financial collapse
 
For how much school costs they sure don't provide a job at the end of it, without a job how does one pay back a loan? Guys have it harder they can't just show their dicks on cam for a boatload of cash.

Har har... women having to resort to taking their clothes off to pay for school should throw red flags up all over.
 
Well maybe if our government wasnt so full of morons quabeling back n forth over stupid pork barrel issues they'd have time to figure out the right answer .

Stop wasting tax monies on wars & use those trillions to heavily subsidise student loans & lowering the overall cost a student owes to a reasonable figure thats affordable to graduates with low paying entry level jobs .

If we want generations of college educated future work forces its gonna take a full commitment from government to lower student costs , we are failing miserably compared to other countries .

If my kids didnt have my help they'd be paying their loans back for 20 yrs , then have zero dollars left to spend & help the local economies , instead since i paid their loans back their free to buy goods & services that bolster our state economy .

I agree students should have to pay back student loans as it builds financially stable mentalities in youth , what i dont agree is the huge amounts these kids have to pay back .

We as a nation should be investing in our youth instead of using them as atm machines .
 
How do you suggest someone with student debt who is unemployed or underemployed pay off student debt?

ALL the students I know want to have a job/career that enables them to pay off their own debt

If they could, they would. Do you seriously think there are people just out of college earning boat loads of money who are just refusing to pay back their student loans? Yeah.. doesn't work like that..

Yeah, like I said, those people don't exist in the real world, if you disagree with that and actually believe that, then cite something that suggests it. Nobody wants to borrow money and not have that investment pay off, indeed, that's the point of a student loan.. Considering the cost of tuition has skyrocketed over the past 3 decades exceeding the increases to the cost of living, inflation and even health care, I'd say colleges and the government are primarily responsible for the student debt bubble. I would also argue generations of people who pushed their kids to go to college share some of the blame. My generation grew up believing we had to go to college to be successful, now that we have, those same people are saying we shouldn't have, that we should have assessed the benefits better, etc..

Either way, Cuban is wrong and here's a thought experiment to illustrate why; Who do you think would be a more productive member of society, person A with $100K+ in student debt or student B with $0 debt? What would person A likely spend the majority of his money on? What about person B?

I, and many others, predict the student loan bubble to pop within the decade and the taxpayers (including the students) are likely going to be the ones footing the bill just like we all did with the financial collapse

I actually agree with TBoneJack on this.

Students who, choose the school they want to attend, ask to borrow money to go to that chosen school, then signs agreeing to pay the student back in full plus interest. That contract is now legally binding and that student is obligated to pay back that debt.

Bringing in "other people's problems", ie. mortgage bubble crowd, is completely irrelevant.

The point of this discussion is to try and figure out a way to either prolong forbearance or get the unemployed students a career enabling them to pay their debts. So bringing in speculations on student character, eg person A / student B theory, is also irrelevant.

By your argument, "..predict the student loan bubble to pop..", we can all agree that this claim is true. TBoneJack, myself and others are merely pointing out that we should look at alternative methods of figuring out what to do about the student loan crisis, as opposed to immediately resort to forgiving $1 Trillion in student loans.

We, as citizens, have only recently started making the student loan crisis a big deal, so we have not put much effort into thinking about how to solve the problem. It seems to me we have simply resorted to yet another bail out.

And now this is where TBoneJack and I probably disagree, I was for the original bailouts because we needed imminent decisions being made to literally save the world from a total economic collapse within a few short months. And that we have to thank the Republicans and mortgage bubble assclowns.

But now that the problem is ever present, we should take efforts to solve it, but not by impulsive responses, as we are not in imminent danger of economic collapse.

Let's not put a bandaid on the problem, let's solve it.



Btw, this Katsu Kush I got.... damn I'm definitely "medicated", as a "motherfucker".
 
Maybe if all these dumbasses stopped spending 4 years studying "fashion" or "art" or "history" or other equally inane subjects then they'd be able to get a job?
 
Maybe if all these dumbasses stopped spending 4 years studying "fashion" or "art" or "history" or other equally inane subjects then they'd be able to get a job?
The art industry has garnered billions of dollars in economic gain this year alone, so wtf are you talking about exactly?

Maybe if people like you actually thought for yourselves our economy would be doing better...
 
How do you suggest someone with student debt who is unemployed or underemployed pay off student debt?

ALL the students I know want to have a job/career that enables them to pay off their own debt

If they could, they would. Do you seriously think there are people just out of college earning boat loads of money who are just refusing to pay back their student loans? Yeah.. doesn't work like that..

Yeah, like I said, those people don't exist in the real world, if you disagree with that and actually believe that, then cite something that suggests it. Nobody wants to borrow money and not have that investment pay off, indeed, that's the point of a student loan.. Considering the cost of tuition has skyrocketed over the past 3 decades exceeding the increases to the cost of living, inflation and even health care, I'd say colleges and the government are primarily responsible for the student debt bubble. I would also argue generations of people who pushed their kids to go to college share some of the blame. My generation grew up believing we had to go to college to be successful, now that we have, those same people are saying we shouldn't have, that we should have assessed the benefits better, etc..

Either way, Cuban is wrong and here's a thought experiment to illustrate why; Who do you think would be a more productive member of society, person A with $100K+ in student debt or student B with $0 debt? What would person A likely spend the majority of his money on? What about person B?

I, and many others, predict the student loan bubble to pop within the decade and the taxpayers (including the students) are likely going to be the ones footing the bill just like we all did with the financial collapse

What's my suggestion on how they should pay back a loan that they agreed to lawfully, of their own free will, and then SPENT said money? Scrape, save, skimp, eat rice and beans, and make the payments that they AGREED TO. I'm not opposed to giving them more time (but that's more time to accrue interest). But they haven't earned a free pass.

More should be done to stop these loans from being made, in the first place. College costs are as high as they are mainly because colleges know the kids can borrow ridiculous amounts of money. And that drives up the cost for parents like me, who paid up-front cash for my kids to go to college. So in a way, I've already paid for some of the irresponsible dumb loans being taken out by kids today.

If they were getting engineering or medical degrees with this money, they'd be fine. But I read a story not long ago about some idiot who wound up $200,000 in college loan debt and had only a BA and Masters in Social Work to show for it. That got her a $39,000 per year job, plus a 20-year monthly "house payment level" bill, but with no fucking house to live in.
 
I'll agree if you sign a legal contract you should be held to the terms you agreed to. I have friends who stop paying back creditors because they got hit with a late fee/overcharge/etc and think "it's not fair", even though i tell them you agreed to the contract by using the card.

Where i see a huge problem is people like Mark Cuban can get federal sub prime loans for his (profit making) billion dollar company but we hit students with much higher interest rates even though they can't afford it. Make profitable companies carry the burden and allow our youth to get affordable education..the corporations are going to benefit from a better educated public.
 
Weedfreak it's true what you say but if you were in the business of making the loan, wouldn't you offer better rates to a successful business person with a track record than you would a person who has no debt record and wants to study humanities? Just how many poly-sci majors are going to find work in their field? How many more do we really want?

People should be able to study whatever they want, if you want to be an archeology major you have every right. You also need to understand the job market in the field you are studying. I'm sad for you that there are no jobs in your field and you are paying back your loan on your salary from Wal-Mart, but I'm happy you got to study what you liked. How we want things to be is not always how things are, and there are valid reasons why.
 
Weedfreak it's true what you say but if you were in the business of making the loan, wouldn't you offer better rates to a successful business person with a track record than you would a person who has no debt record and wants to study humanities? Just how many poly-sci majors are going to find work in their field? How many more do we really want?

People should be able to study whatever they want, if you want to be an archeology major you have every right. You also need to understand the job market in the field you are studying. I'm sad for you that there are no jobs in your field and you are paying back your loan on your salary from Wal-Mart, but I'm happy you got to study what you liked. How we want things to be is not always how things are, and there are valid reasons why.
The same sorta people who think Psychology is a science...
 
Weedfreak it's true what you say but if you were in the business of making the loan, wouldn't you offer better rates to a successful business person with a track record than you would a person who has no debt record and wants to study humanities? Just how many poly-sci majors are going to find work in their field? How many more do we really want?

People should be able to study whatever they want, if you want to be an archeology major you have every right. You also need to understand the job market in the field you are studying. I'm sad for you that there are no jobs in your field and you are paying back your loan on your salary from Wal-Mart, but I'm happy you got to study what you liked. How we want things to be is not always how things are, and there are valid reasons why.

The government isn't in the business of making money, it's the government backing education loans..take the banks out of the equation, you don't need a middle man. It's a matter of national policy,a population of educated unemployed is greater than a population of uneducated unemployed. The sad thing is people don't put a high value on education anymore..all education should be free, through 4 yrs of college at least.
 
For how much school costs they sure don't provide a job at the end of it, without a job how does one pay back a loan? Guys have it harder they can't just show their dicks on cam for a boatload of cash.

Har har... women having to resort to taking their clothes off to pay for school should throw red flags up all over.
You take you resume to a company who needs your skillset of which you acquired in school thanks to us taxpayers who fronted you the money based on your promise to pay it back

And the women who strip for school while putting themselves through it probably don't have student loans

Now back to "they don't help you find a job" you just want people to hold your hand in life that's not how it works you get in life what you put into it if you sit and wait on handouts you won't get anywhere

And about price maybe you should have went to a community college not a university

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So you acquire a huge debt going to school to get a degree that won't even get you a job once you graduate?

Sounds like you'd be better off not even going to school in the first place.
My generation was pushed to go to college, "get an education and you can get any job you want". Well we found out that was all BS. I went to a Voc school instead and learned a trade. I really wish companies didn't think that a piece if paper was a deciding factor, I've worked with so many people with degrees that were dumb as a stump.
 
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