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a mongo frog
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Is thc bad?
Astro Aquanaut
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I think this going towards a thread hijack and we should keep on topic more than likely... However, I believe what Queece posted about a growing demographic(which I think that demographic has always existed but now has a monetary contribution with legalization) plus medical perps looking for high cbd many looking for better "smoking" herb that is between 10 & 23% rather than 23+% THC with a better mix of cannabinoids and terpenes... I know from personal experience I have gotten into debates on what strains to grow over this exact issue swinging back and forth from High CBD low THC to high THC low CBD then falling into happy mediums of Afghan high altitude land races with high cbd land races from India... An older friend of mine prefers maple leaf indica grown organically than most of the high potency strains grown in hydro... Mellow easy good smoke with no extensive couch lock...
However, I like the mind altering stuff around 30%... So, you can't forget there are all sorts out there with different needs. I am not a purist.. I prefer to mix with tobacco in most cases, and mix different strains together...
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Greengenes707
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I have ran 3 side by side hps vs apache led as well as apache vs 4K cree. Apache's R2 spectrum has always been the highest testing of any source, R/B included.
First off..it's too hard(impossible I will say) to define the genetic ceiling of thc production per strain/plant/species. It just can't be done. So we will never know what total thc efficiency would be. But it is noticeable that led's on their own with nearly no outside 400-700nm activity will bump hps quality. And that UVB will bup hps quality. Both of those have been fully documented while the use of both(led and uvb) has not been controlled/experimented properly.
UVBis not necessary for extremely high thc production. I did not control with uvb so I can not tell you if uvb in addition would take it even high over hps baseline. But I am confident in saying that using both(LED and UVB) is not going to make enough of a difference to claim as groundbreaking or a must do...or even a possible should do.
Highly efficient photosynthesis spectrums, plus low canopy heat is very effective.
I have a problem with you thinking he said what he never said. His math does actually add up(adding up 100% extraction is basically not possible...maybe cryogenically)...and that was my point. He never said anything about 27% rosin. He said his buds hit 27%. And that he yields 21% rosin out of that 27% bud. And never specified a potency of make up of said rosin.
If you think that thc is the whole story...you need to keep reading and experimenting. The cannabis profile(cannabinoid and modulating terpenes, as well as some still unknown)...is what we are after.
So to get you off your pissy train and onto some actual thought progression...
Have you made pure THCa or any distillates of it?
Can you share...process, and results?
One process, one time does not give you a pure product. So you're using an alkaline water solution...you have made pure THCa. And have altered it back and forth between decarbed and back to acid forms? Share please?
Growmau5 actually brought up the topic when talking about thc synthesis. we are on topic.
So bob, I would love to learn about your simple process of pure THCa extraction. As well as your thoughts on terpene extraion methods and their importance in the cannabis profile.
Astro Aquanaut
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So, what is the deal with all the research papers showing UVB increases in total THC 2-5% range, and the whole biology of cannabis.? I have been reading research paper after research paper showing these increases. However, onto your point UVB is just another spectrum. I don't disagree that cannabis that has been selectively breed for high THC that originated from high UV index locations maintains or can be breed to produce a baseline THC production without UVB utilizing other spectrums, since most growers don't have nutes or lights dialed in... However, all the research shows that there are increases in that process with the introduction of UVB. I believe once genetic technology advances and DNA sequencing of strains becomes more robust and expansive we will be able to get a better idea of max production of various strains determined by environment...
Also, do you have a monetary interest in LED lighting?
Also, do you have a monetary interest in LED lighting?
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Greengenes707
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UVB works great. And just how the documentations of it say it should...over hps. But what I am saying is the UVB+LED hasn't established/tested effects enough. They may be there, they may not.
What I can say for sure is that
UVB will improve HPS grow buds
and
A quality LED spectrum/intensity recipe will improve over hps grown buds.
What can NOT say for sure/comment on is
LED+UVB will be better than straight LED or hps+uvb...which both is already proven to already be better than hps grown. No one has had the time and/or discipline to keep that big a variable set in check in one's garden. And acidemia has not found it a worthwhile area of study yet.
I could go into a deep thought on how they are two roads to the same checkpoint(one through stress, and the other through optimal environment expression)...but I have no test to show that. But if asking me personally...that is how I look at them from my limited and mixed(not consistent enough variables) experience with them both together.
I do have monetary interest in all forms of light...they grow my plants, light my house, and my world.
But to what I think your getting at...I do own an LED company(pacific light concepts)...who sell fixture and component...and also sell UVB t5 sets for any hood/light...so between led or uvb...I like them both to sell if that is what your asking...but I have them because they each work for what they are intended.
I do have other investment interest in lighting...mostly solar.
Queece
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Dude, whoever is claiming their flower rosin is 80% THC is lying to you. Nothing is coming off a plant at 80%. Maybe after a few days in a vac oven at 140F. That's why I like it, it isn't as strong as BHO and contains more cutaneous plant waxes that I have on good authority are pretty good for you.
Yeah man, the THC thing is 100% retards on daytime television and meme science on Reddit. Grow something like Great White Shark and tell me THC-a is what you should be selecting for. Now I have been hearing a lot of talk about THC-v being present in the most expensive seeds you can buy (oh imagine that, and it lime terps, sour cherry durban, vanilla why not, lavender?, blueberry dad 7 generations ago, make sure to call it berry _____). The god damn memers are pissing me off. OG Kush is gay and boring, stop listening to rap, rappers hate white people despite being 90% of their sales.
Fucking hell, every time someone has any kind of success with cannabis, this happens. Oh look, Medicropper sure seems to like the way Chernobyl grows in his $500,000 facility, I bet I'll be seeing clones of that exact same plant at my local nursery in Michigan. Why does he like it? Oh, it tastes like limes? It seems to sell really well, lets go ahead and say every new offering has LIME and now it's fucking GRAPE terps that simply do not ever manifest themselves. I don't know about THC-v, but it seems like one of those meme cannabinoids like CBD. Hey guys, CBD isn't shit, it was just a bait and switch for our pot lobbyists to point at. Oh look, there's a compound in cannabis that doesn't get you high and has a mild global anti-inflammatory effect, might as well make the WHOLE GOD DAMN LEGALIZATION ARGUMENT ABOUT HIDING BEHIND YOUR FUCKING FAKE MEDICAL JUSTIFICATION AND MEME CHEMICAL. Well, it worked kind of well, I guess. Now I can have a legal medical grow in Michigan, but any non-medically licensed pot is an automatic felony. Couldn't have just made it an issue of personal sovereignty, we had to hide behind some token invalids status signaling from their wheelchairs.
Okay, rant over. I would think more mountainous varietals would be more heavily dependent on UVA/B, seeing as how the atmosphere is thinner there than most equatorial countries. Maybe a good Kenyan variety would be a great place to start testing UV on a sample population next to some control groups.
Astro Aquanaut
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Thanks for the reply and I wasn't attempting to vex you, simply been looking at upgrading from HPS, been using HPS+MH+CMH+T5 for a long long time(HPS+MH then HPS+CMH somewhere along the T5 came in). So, I been preparing to copy off of Grow Mouses design for the 5.886 heatsinks w/ 3590's... So, just been looking at the UVB as the topping
Without a GC or HPLC it is going to be hard to run any tests, so am also looking at buying a GC SRI 8610C... am not fortunate enough to grow close to a testing lab 
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Queece
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Wow, I didn't even realize what invalid meant, that's a terrible thing to call a group of people, especially vulnerable ones. Convalescents is what I meant to say, I was just watching "The Imaginary Invalid" by Molière and didn't properly contemporize it. Great play, by the way, very very topical. I feel like it perfectly describes the hypochondriac-enabler relationship we all have to grapple with in the cannabis community. Pretty funny too, for a comedy from 1673, I actually laughed out loud a few times.
Queece
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Doesn't that bother anyone else as a grower? Everything to do with legalization is "Patient-activism" or couched in some such terms. What we need are fucking activists out of the equation. Stop trying to activate on my nature fool, what are you even doing? "PUT EM IN JAIL" or "MAKE IT LEGAL AND PUT A VAT TAX ON IT". What is that? The proposal is indecent, it's insulting to anyone that has grown a cannabis plant on both sides. It's a fucking plant, just a bush, why should I endorse someone advocating to put a god damn tax stamp on another one of god's beautiful creations. Bleh.
The people that we need are not "activists" working for us, but passivists working to break the back of federal overreach. These fucking democrats love handing money to the war machine, I will never understand it. Republicans are worse, the policy of locking people up for dope is about the most clear definition of "liberal policy" that I can think of. Bunch of fucking liberals. All they do is spitball ideas to expand federal jurisdiction 365 days a year. The government is just another heartbeat in their chest to ignore. Pitiful.
The people that we need are not "activists" working for us, but passivists working to break the back of federal overreach. These fucking democrats love handing money to the war machine, I will never understand it. Republicans are worse, the policy of locking people up for dope is about the most clear definition of "liberal policy" that I can think of. Bunch of fucking liberals. All they do is spitball ideas to expand federal jurisdiction 365 days a year. The government is just another heartbeat in their chest to ignore. Pitiful.
Greengenes707
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It's definitely not going to hurt. I just don't think it is necessary. And if you are going to use it, go simple and cheap...reptile bulbs. 10mW. 2 22" bulbs per m^2 to 4x4 will get a good effect.Thanks for the reply and I wasn't attempting to vex you, simply been looking at upgrading from HPS, been using HPS+MH+CMH+T5 for a long long time(HPS+MH then HPS+CMH somewhere along the T5 came in). So, I been preparing to copy off of Grow Mouses design for the 5.886 heatsinks w/ 3590's... So, just been looking at the UVB as the topping
Here is one of my favorite old threads on UVB and UV in general...
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/uvb-uva-study-test-results-increases-medical-marijuana-potency-3-5.70648/
It's not worth a GC or any machine unless you can keep you area true lab cleanliness, and keep to procedure. Just my thought on it.
J Bleezy
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GG I was watching one of your harvest vids on youtube (I believe the latest one) and it DEFINITELY looked extremely dank. You talked about "hash tips" for a second and when I try to look it up all I can find is a bunch of bleached buds, just like under my spyder1200 lol.
Queece
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Man GG, where's that update with your new garden mang? Nobody been in the lab like you my dude, any hints as to what you're running/going to run? Outdoor plans for the spring? I never understood how you even did that by yourself, you must have bugs bunny trimming skills. You still use that nightmare trimmer of yours (that thing that both looked and sounded like a Silent Hill boss)?
Astro Aquanaut
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You don't need "true lab cleanliness" for gas chromatography.. Just samples, machine and injection... You would be surprised how dirty an area can be and still get straight results from GC you are just identifying to standards programmed in, and contaminants will show up...... If anyone wants to get super crazy they can build a combination workstation, basically if anyone is doing micro-propagation and protoplast fusion without contamination then they can easily do GC in the same workspace. Anyone with a Garage or a bathroom can setup a lab with minimal upfront cost... Obviously, you can't be smoking a blunt with your cat in the same room, however am sure plenty have... The whole clean room requirement for most stuff is over stated... Obviously, being clean is good, however following standard operating procedures is essential to chemistry and most things in life...
Just don't want anyone getting deterred from building out a home lab or testing station
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Queece
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Yeah dude, look into DIY laminar air hoods, they're pretty easy to make and they essentially just keep contaminants from settling out of the air over your culture dishes. You can actually just open the door on an oven and use the convection current of the hot air rising out to work on the door, largely contaminant-free. I've used both, I actually like the oven method better for less serious business.
BobCajun
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No, I just said 80% as a high point, like to be generous. It's usually in the mid 70s. I actually never tried pressing rosin yet so I have no firsthand knowledge. Guess I need to find a hair straightening iron or a waffle iron or something along those lines. I'll be very surprised if I get 20% from bud, but we'll see. Maybe a miracle will occur. If so, then I guess I could get 60% yield of soft hash from bud, since soft hash is 1/3 resin/rosin. I can't see that happening. I would quickly get rich if that's possible, considering hash sells for more than twice what bud costs.
Astro Aquanaut
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That Spartan software they want 1500 bucks for....http://store.wavefun.com/Spartan_Software_s/12.htm however 250 for schools... Gotta make a cannabis school and use it as a write off... Then we can write off all our lights, GC, grow materials, software, computers, phones, parts of our houses, internet service, vehicles that are over 2 tons, all our lab gear and expeditions for genetic research
I believe at this point everyone should start a drop shipping gardening website... This is where building a collective none profit organization to get whole sale prices on bulk orders comes in plus write offs....The link above is very interesting btw... If phenols and terpenes go through a process in which create thc-a and that is found to be true then what speeds up the production of phenols and terpenes? Nutrients? Spectrum/Light Density? Beneficial microbiological life? or a mix therein of...
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Queece
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Here's a trick, I'll save you so much heart-break right here, so pay attention, all you rosin-uninitiated!
Before you press you buds; some people use a garlic press, I use my hands, smoosh your buds together into the tightest profile you can so that you wind up with a super-dense sphere of bud about 1.5cm in diameter. Run your press at ~180F, eeeeeeease on the pressure at first, then go full tilt and smash the fucker as hard as you can without getting carried away and fucking up your parchment. You'll be blown away by how good your return will be.
Before you press you buds; some people use a garlic press, I use my hands, smoosh your buds together into the tightest profile you can so that you wind up with a super-dense sphere of bud about 1.5cm in diameter. Run your press at ~180F, eeeeeeease on the pressure at first, then go full tilt and smash the fucker as hard as you can without getting carried away and fucking up your parchment. You'll be blown away by how good your return will be.