Maximising yield in a commercial grow

SamWE19

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Wow that's crazy looking lol. Idk the answer, just saying this is cool
It’s strange. This is why this time I let them stretch before moving them over to this vertical system as I thought a solid branch would bend less.

If I put newly cut clones in there they grow up into each other. It’s weird as I’ve seen photos of vert systems and they don’t do that
 

ubluntu

Active Member
I not sure what tricks they use to fight gravity. All the vert grows i've seen the plants still grow mostly upwards. The leaves turn and shoots grow towards the light but still mostly upward. Maybe tying plants or leaning the whole system so it's not completely 90' might help.
Some species like tomatos are not gravitropic. Likewise some strains will grow better towards side lighting too.
 

hybridway2

Amare Shill
I don’t have any problems or deficiencies growing with seeds. I wouldn’t want to switch to clones on the basis that they are “easier” to grow.. renting isn’t possible atm.

I’m interested in how clones will produce higher yield than seeds though based on profit per year not per harvest or plant in this instance though.
Edit: just read you have already recieved same advice.
If you want production & guaranteed movement of the product you have to pick keepers from the seeds n run them. Ever heard of a Pheno Hunt. 1/2 the seeds you have may not produce desirable material.
Growing from seed is the worst if looking to flip anything. Keepers produce more of better. What else is there???
I do it once a year sometimes twice only because i have to for new gentics. Oh, 1 out of 20 seeds is probably a hermie which will ruin a whole room overnight. Had that happen to me on a pheno hunt last year w/ only 6 seeds.
Also, clones are a sure thing, fastest to make into a fully matured plant. My clones equal allot of peoples teens. That's all up to your goal.
I recommend cloning x1 of each seed prior to going into flower. Lable well & accurate. Flower. After drying your harvest you will now know which plants to keep & which to toss. Toss out the undesired clones, keep the ones you like, grow it a little, clone the shit outta it then slap her into flower & be double sure she's your keeper by the second run.
Now you have however many strains of keepers only to continually clone & succeed w/o guessing & losing crops to seeds or prophits to Swag.
Yup, its allot of work but you only have to do it once.
GoodLuck bud!
 
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RocketBoy

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Ok say I change to cuttings my main room was built with space in mind. It is very difficult to get to the plants once they are in there. As space is tight.

If it will take me 8 weeks per cycle and If only get 1 oz per rooted clone it will be less than I get now. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here get more than 1 oz per 12/12 from clone?
Old NL5xHaze, 12/12 from clone, over an Oz per plant. You could waste your time with inconsistent seed runs or find a killer pheno from a good genetic seed/mom and clone.
 

Renfro

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True production facilities take things a step further and they shotgun their beans for pheno hunting in a separate grow room that is isolated so as not to have any chance of interfering with production numbers. One pollen chucking hermie thats caught too late would trash a whole room of product.
 

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Even w/o a plant count, id still want a month min. Veg. Takes lil over 2 months to flower. I take my cuts right before flip. When flower is over i have aprox 2 mo. Veg monsters.
Harvest, Deep Clean, Repeat. Thats how ive always done it. Never understood any other way except perpetual but that never allows for the Deep Cleanse of the room & would cause me a headache if having to mix seperate strength feeds rather then mixing up one rez.
I don't even have mother plants.
 

hybridway2

Amare Shill
True production facilities take things a step further and they shotgun their beans for pheno hunting in a separate grow room that is isolated so as not to have any chance of interfering with production numbers. One pollen chucking hermie thats caught too late would trash a whole room of product.
Man, i 100% agree with you on seperate room for pheno hunting. Have x2 Big Fem. Seed BrideZillas to flower with the rest of the room rn & am nervous AF.
 

Blue back

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Even w/o a plant count, id still want a month min. Veg. Takes lil over 2 months to flower. I take my cuts right before flip. When flower is over i have aprox 2 mo. Veg monsters.
Harvest, Deep Clean, Repeat. Thats how ive always done it. Never understood any other way except perpetual but that never allows for the Deep Cleanse of the room & would cause me a headache if having to mix seperate strength feeds rather then mixing up one rez.
I don't even have mother plants.

This is the way I do it also. The problem that occurs doing this is for the veggers geting too big. No mother's either. I realize there's a risk of losing strains this way but I really don't have room for mother's.
 

hybridway2

Amare Shill
There's plenty of cuts to be used off your veg plants. Already pre-lolli-popped a little n left some clones to take in a few days.
Never had an issue. Ran 3 strains for 3 yrs this way before switching up. NP. 20191026_013305.jpg20191026_013335.jpg20191026_013439.jpg
 

Renfro

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Yeah unfortunately I have no other option atm

You keep missing my question to you bud I’m curious if your growing 1 per ft or 4 in your sog
I did no veg SoG bigtime for 7 years in multiple locations at once. I ran 48 plants per 4x4 area (1kW SE HPS). 7x7 grid - 1 for tray fittings. Consistently pulled a little over 2 pounds per light, averaged about 20 - 21 grams per plant. I would lollipop them at day 20 to make the focus all their energy on the top. Made for super fast trimming and all nice nugs. Strain is KEY! You want a phenotype thats suited to your setup.

Cheat a little by rooting the clones for 20 days in a tray of rapid rooters, they should have roots that are 12 - 14 inches long and white. Then transplant and flip. I used 6 inch square pots with hydroton.
 

SamWE19

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I did no veg SoG bigtime for 7 years in multiple locations at once. I ran 48 plants per 4x4 area (1kW SE HPS). 7x7 grid - 1 for tray fittings. Consistently pulled a little over 2 pounds per light, averaged about 20 - 21 grams per plant. I would lollipop them at day 20 to make the focus all their energy on the top. Made for super fast trimming and all nice nugs. Strain is KEY! You want a phenotype thats suited to your setup.

Cheat a little by rooting the clones for 20 days in a tray of rapid rooters, they should have roots that are 12 - 14 inches long and white. Then transplant and flip. I used 6 inch square pots with hydroton.
My vert system is setup as 1 per sqft you got any recommendations of how you would amend your system to take advantage of the space? I’d need to avg 63g per plant to get the yield your getting in this system.

I’m starting to wonder if I should use these two rooms as separate systems instead of transferring over
 

Renfro

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My vert system is setup as 1 per sqft you got any recommendations of how you would amend your system to take advantage of the space? I’d need to avg 63g per plant to get the yield your getting in this system.

I’m starting to wonder if I should use these two rooms as separate systems instead of transferring over
Not really. Thats kinda a tweener setup, not really something I would do personally. I either grow them really big for plant count reasons and to gain side canopy area (that I side light) or I do a no veg SoG for fastest turn around at a gram per watt. I don't care what a plant yields in a SoG, just my yield per square foot. If you are vegging a SoG then you are wasting time IMO. Cut big clones, root the fuck outta them and flower them. Any strain that doesn't like that has to go in a commercial facility.
 

SamWE19

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Not really. Thats kinda a tweener setup, not really something I would do personally. I either grow them really big for plant count reasons and to gain side canopy area (that I side light) or I do a no veg SoG for fastest turn around at a gram per watt. I don't care what a plant yields in a SoG, just my yield per square foot. If you are vegging a SoG then you are wasting time IMO. Cut big clones, root the fuck outta them and flower them. Any strain that doesn't like that has to go in a commercial facility.
Do you think I could put 4 clones in the same 4 inch net pot to get 4 per sqft?
 
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