MAYAN Prophecy .

Hepheastus420

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Speed = distance/time

with that said, time is not dependent on the earths movements. Its just something relative for us to you to calculate speed. The world could be reduced to dust tomorrow and time would continue. With the sheer number of stars/planets theirs most certainly other planets with life, would time stop for them if earth turned to dust? Of course not.
I caused confusion and I apologize, lol. I didn't read the rest of the thread and I thought people were arguing about how the mayans told time or something so I just said time was based on earths movements, I should have said the based the time of seasons on earths movements. Once again I apologize for the confusion. And I know time goes on without our existence.
 

mindphuk

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Oh for real? I always thought that we measured the earths movement using time, hmm....
It's the other way around. We measure time by the movement of the earth. One rotation= 1 day, 1 orbit around the sun = 1 year, etc.
However, I can measure time by different methods that removes the need for the earth-sun system at all. I can tell you that I'll meet you at Starbucks in 30000 rotations of the Crab Pulsar (50 minutes). We can even make new units of time based on the pulsar, I will call each rotation a 'milicrab' and so every thousand rotations is a 'crab' and so on. As long as we each have a way of measuring the pulsar, the need for the earth and the sun are gone.
 

THENUMBER1022

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do you think without tidal patterns and daylight/darkness we would lose ourselves in time consciously? an hour talking in front of the sun is two days passed on Earth, a week of being in a ship could consciously feel like a year... hmmm... need more weed to process this thought.
 

RavenMochi

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do you think without tidal patterns and daylight/darkness we would lose ourselves in time consciously? an hour talking in front of the sun is two days passed on Earth, a week of being in a ship could consciously feel like a year... hmmm... need more weed to process this thought.
Our perception of time is a whole new pile of shit. Our perception of time can be manipulated greatly, and with practice can even done by choice.
 

mindphuk

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No time can't stop if it doesn't exist. Your talking about something that I consider to be as real as Santa. If Santa disappears, do we still get toys?
I meant our perception of time.

And just because the earth moves at different speeds at different altitudes doesn't mean time has to exist.
That just means that there is less surface area the closer in you get. Like a merry-go round.
I didn't say anything about the movement of the earth, I said how far away it is from the gravity of the earth. We can be stationary in space and the measurements will still be the same, the clock closer to earth will move slower.
 

Hepheastus420

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It's the other way around. We measure time by the movement of the earth. One rotation= 1 day, 1 orbit around the sun = 1 year, etc.
However, I can measure time by different methods that removes the need for the earth-sun system at all. I can tell you that I'll meet you at Starbucks in 30000 rotations of the Crab Pulsar (50 minutes). We can even make new units of time based on the pulsar, I will call each rotation a 'milicrab' and so every thousand rotations is a 'crab' and so on. As long as we each have a way of measuring the pulsar, the need for the earth and the sun are gone.
So the opposite of using time to measure earths movements would be using earths movements to measure time. Yeah I think I just mixed up my words, lol. I know what time is.
 

THENUMBER1022

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raven,
on acid I have had 5 hour long freakouts that were really 15 minutes of actual earth time so I understand how easy it is to lose track of time consciously but I still feel as if we have internal clocks or some type of mechanism that sense radiation shifts or something crazy.. But I wonder although they have had people on space stations for a few years, what effect space would have on the human body on the same time scale, whether measured Earth time or Universe time....I wonder where they keep the atomic clock for universe time... is our time zone MWGT? would there even be a need for a time zone when it takes 10,000 years to reach a nearby star like vega or arcturus..
 

mindphuk

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Deterioration gives the illusion of time. It does not prove times existence.
What does that even mean? Entropy is the reason for the existence of time. If things did not 'deteriorate' then you would be right, there is no time. The fact that things do progress in one direction toward higher entropy IS the phenomena we call time. It doesn't prove time, it is what defines what time is.
 

blazinkill504

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time sucks dick honestly...all its ever done is gotten me in trouble and counted the amount of days ive been on this earth. we need to get rid of time!

oh and im down for an acid trip in space!
 

Hepheastus420

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An amount of time in space and an amount of time on earth are the exact same measurements. We just label them differently.

Like we could say something is an hour away while (hypothetically) an alien could say it's 28 zoogas. << it would be the same measurement.
 

mexiblunt

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Atomic clocks
Atomic clocks are very precise and have nearly no clock drift. The rotation of the Earth itself actually has much more clock drift (less accuracy) than modern atomic clocks. Thus to keep the Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in line with the Earth's rotation, a leap second is added to some years.
[edit] Relativity

As Einstein predicted, relativistic effects can also cause clock drift due to time dilation[citation needed]. This is because there is no fixed universal time, time being relative to the observer. Special relativity describes how two clocks held by people in different inertial frames (i.e. moving with respect to each other but not accelerating or decelerating) will each appear to tick more slowly to the other person.
In addition to this, general relativity gives us gravitational time dilation. Briefly, a clock in a higher gravitational field (e.g. closer to a planet) will appear to tick more slowly. People holding these clocks would agree on which clock appeared to be going faster.
Note that it is time itself rather than the function of the clock which is affected. Both effects have been experimentally observed.
Time dilation is of practical importance. For instance, the clocks in GPS satellites experience this effect due to the reduced gravity they experience (making their clocks appear to run more quickly than those on Earth) and must therefore incorporate relativistically corrected calculations when reporting locations to users. If general relativity were not accounted for, a navigational fix based on the GPS satellites would be false after only 2 minutes, and errors in global positions would continue to accumulate at a rate of about 10 kilometers each day.[1]
 

THENUMBER1022

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time is a revolution around our star, of which there are innumerable life-hosting planets in the deepest, darkest, and oldest parts of our universe. a day is a completion of this revolution from darkness, to light, to darkness. I often wonder how tramatizing it is to my saltwater fish to leave the lights on or fuck with their lighting schedule. Sleeping, alone, has a huge effect on our stress levels and that is mostly determined by the amount of sunlight and darkness we receive as with most plants... Imagine harvesting marijuana on mars. It would have 37 extra minutes every day to grow!
 

Stark Raving

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OK, lets clear something up here. The scientific process goes thusly (an over-simplification, but I'm sure you'll catch my drift):

We observe something, then gather evidence to determine if the theory we created from our observations is accurate. If we gather enough evidence we can draw a conclusion (ie. time exists) Then, when new evidence is discovered that shows a possible contrary conclusion, we can challenge the initial conclusion, and possibly arrive at a more accurate one should the evidence be sufficient.

My question here is, what evidence have you gathered that would suggest time does not exist? (Remember, the burden of proof no longer lies with me, since the evidence that time does exist has been satisfactory within the scientific community)
 

RavenMochi

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time sucks dick honestly...all its ever done is gotten me in trouble and counted the amount of days ive been on this earth. we need to get rid of time!

oh and im down for an acid trip in space!
Agreed, fuck you, father time! &#8224;L&#8224;

Oh, hey, speaking of an acid trip in space, did you know there's a Wile E. Coyote style space program that plans on using a giant sling shot to launch?! No shit, like seriously...
http://www.cracked.com/article_16647_5-insane-devices-from-kids-cartoons-that-actually-exist.html number #1
 
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