military vs sports

cannabineer

cannabineer

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Trolling said:
I just thought this thread was like hating on sports because we have men and women dieing for our country and teaching the future and they get paid shit and all sports players do is "protect" a ball, maybe I took it the wrong way myself tho. Even still, it's still isn't a good argument of he thinks the government should be paying them to the equivalent of that to professional athletes, it just won't work out. I do agree they should be paid better but it would have to be something now reasonable.
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I agree that there is a colossal diff between "should" and "can".
I think when I saw the OP my first gut check was "won't work", and my second was "this has to be Toke&Talk". So I took it on the lighter side. cn
 
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newgrowr

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jtprin said:
I think it would be a shitty idea to have military members make millions.
Then everyone would join the military for the money and benefits instead of having a real ambitition to serve his country. So basically it would be exactly what it's like now. Then again, America is corrupt and who wants to fight for a country that willingly hurts its own people. You can fight for yourself. Why would I risk my life for the old rich useless people sitting in office who care more about their wallet than the people of America?

Fuck that one quote, it's about what my country can do for me, not what I can do for my country. And that's how it will be until our government stops putting oil, money, and control over the well-being of humanity.
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Im not saying military people should make millions im saying athleats shouldnt make millions
 
Trolling

Trolling

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That's not really a debate, NFL and NBA makes so much money and have such a few staff (the athletes) that they can easily afford to do that. Same goes for movie stars, the main character is naturally going to make the most and the extras even have it good, usually they get paid 100 bucks a day just for standing around, because they can afford it.
 
MojoRison

MojoRison

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I will not watch sports anymore because of the money these so called professionals make. I played triple A baseball, was scouted and all that jazz. Truth be told I was damn good but I know I'm not worth the millions these assholes make.
 
brandon.

brandon.

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MojoRison said:
I will not watch sports anymore because of the money these so called professionals make. I played triple A baseball, was scouted and all that jazz. Truth be told I was damn good but I know I'm not worth the millions these assholes make.
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So you don't watch sports because of how much they make... then I assume you don't watch movies, or tv. You must not listen to any popular music. I guess you're destined to listen to indie bands, and read shitty or unknown authors. What is it you do for fun then?
 
kpmarine

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newgrowr said:
why do people that protect a ball make more then oeople who risk there lives protecting the country
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I was in the military, and I will agree the pay was not the best. However, I got a free room; three guaranteed meals a day at the chow hall; full medical and dental with no payment of any sort required (I know people that had two kids or more, entirely for free, on military medical.). That's not to mention the numerous other little support services there are. There's also the new GI bill. It's now pretty much a free ride through 4 years at a state university, plus they pay for your housing, and a tutor.

It's not really fair to paint it like we are horribly underprivileged. I never watched the superbowl and bitched about the difference in pay scales, it's apples to oranges. Like some other folks here said, our scientists and educators should be the ones we pay through the nose for. What ever happened to the days when people traveled from miles around to see intelligent people speak on the subjects of the time?
 
brandon.

brandon.

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kpmarine said:
What ever happened to the days when people traveled from miles around to see intelligent people speak on the subjects of the time?
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This still happens, quite frequently. It's just... "underground" so to speak. By "underground" I just mean it's not something the majority does. I've been to several TED conferences, and almost every talk I've attended was absolutely mind-blowing. Everything from robotics to economics to even magic.

Talks are extremely frequent in my industry. If you live anywhere near San Francisco AirBnB has weekly (IIRC) tech talks by some of my industries greatest innovators. Now granted these aren't as digestible for the general public since the talks are pretty much entirely industry jargon.

Educators don't make much, but I think "scientists" as a whole make good money, unless they go into teaching of course lol. If I had followed through with my PhD and gotten a job as a "scientist" in my field, my starting salary would probably be $250,000/yr. Not a ton compared to pro athletes, but not a shabby salary whatsoever.
 
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meechz 024

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Because the people who risk their lives protecting the country are mostly poor, come from poor families, and a lot are brainwashed into the military lifestyle so as long as they're family accepts them as "Patriots" they could care less how much they earn for their duties. Not to mention, a soldier never questions his country. If his government wants to pay him chump change for his duty than that's fine by him.

It's a weird thing when you give these kinds of people acceptance such as the honor of "protecting our country" . These poor people tend to feel as if they are doing the country a favor with their bravery, so money comes second. It's like protecting their nest, money is bonus.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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meechz 024 said:
Because the people who risk their lives protecting the country are mostly poor, come from poor families, and a lot are brainwashed into the military lifestyle so as long as they're family accepts them as "Patriots" they could care less how much they earn for their duties. Not to mention, a soldier never questions his country. If his government wants to pay him chump change for his duty than that's fine by him.

It's a weird thing when you give these kinds of people acceptance such as the honor of "protecting our country" . These poor people tend to feel as if they are doing the country a favor with their bravery, so money comes second. It's like protecting their nest, money is bonus.
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i asked this before, but i'll ask it again.. how on earth are people in the military in say iraq or afghanistan protecting our country?? shit, i've never even met an iraqi, nor an afghani, so i don't know how they're trying to hurt lil old me..
not in a long time has any member of the military actually protected any person in the us of a, not since ww2 i'd say.. if any foreigner wants to come and knock on my door, i think i'll do a pretty good job of protecting myself btw..
 
MojoRison

MojoRison

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brandon. said:
So you don't watch sports because of how much they make... then I assume you don't watch movies, or tv. You must not listen to any popular music. I guess you're destined to listen to indie bands, and read shitty or unknown authors. What is it you do for fun then?
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I can see your point brandon, I could have phrased my response in a different manner because you're correct in your assumption. I do not watch movies, TV or read authors of note because they make lots of money. I do such things for pure self satisfaction and the enjoyment those media bring. The devil is in the details. I could watch a sport and think that those individuals are of a talent or skill set I'd admire, but the fact that they make obscene amounts of money tarnishes the image greatly. I agree with many here that the intellectual has become lost amongst the so called elite of our time. If you watch and listen to the average football game you wouldn't be wrong in the assumption that these men are put in the same light as the demigods of old....the battle between Hercules and Apollo comes to mind. Is that comparison even logical, perhaps not, but the result is the same. Putting any man or woman on a pedestal is fraught with danger, whether it be direct or implied. Why are there thousands of children wanting to be the next Jordan or Jackson, but not da Vinci or Newton.

My disdain for professional sports today comes from the fact these people were once children who loved to play the game, but now love the money and fame the game brings. Sport used to be a true test of ones mettle, it now seems more a test of who's got the best looking hair.

As for fun...well I just look into my sons eyes and say " Sure, lets go throw the ball around for awhile" because he still loves the game of play. And I hang out here
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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newgrowr said:
why do people that protect a ball make more then oeople who risk there lives protecting the country
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No one was forced to join the military. Maybe they should have gone into professional sports if they wanted to be compensated like an athlete.

Sports fan are responsible for the grand pay scale. If they would stop eating it up and paying out of the ass then there wouldn't be a market for protecting that ball, and there wouldn't be the enormous stream of revenue to justify the large paychecks.

ebgood said:
yea whats up with that shit? i think military, teachers and firefighters should be the highest paid people.
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Why? What exactly makes those professions deserve more pay? To me that's like saying we should pay more for tires than we do for the electronics on the car. The tires are absolutely crucial, and your car would be useless without them, but on the other hand they are also just cheap rubber and everyone has at least 4 on every car. Teachers are a dime a dozen, and don't require near the amount of skill or training that other professions do.

brandon. said:
So you don't watch sports because of how much they make... then I assume you don't watch movies, or tv. You must not listen to any popular music. I guess you're destined to listen to indie bands, and read shitty or unknown authors. What is it you do for fun then?
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Why would you assume that? How does believing that pro athletes make too much money extend to believing a list of other professions also make too much? I don't understand exactly how you linked them and came to that conclusion. Actors, authors, and musicians all have vastly different skill sets than a pro athlete and their compensation should be based on their own skills and ability to generate income.
 
brandon.

brandon.

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guy incognito said:
Why would you assume that? How does believing that pro athletes make too much money extend to believing a list of other professions also make too much? I don't understand exactly how you linked them and came to that conclusion. Actors, authors, and musicians all have vastly different skill sets than a pro athlete and their compensation should be based on their own skills and ability to generate income.
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I assumed that because of the undertone of his comment. You hit the nail on the head with the last part of the last sentence. "Their ability to generate income". That's why pro athletes get paid as much as they do. Not just because they're good at their game of choice. Linemen don't sell out football stadiums... Tom Brady, RG3, Peyton Manning, etc do. They're also the ones making the proportionate amount of money.

There was no hate in my comment, just genuine curiosity.
 
Trolling

Trolling

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MojoRison said:
I will not watch sports anymore because of the money these so called professionals make. I played triple A baseball, was scouted and all that jazz. Truth be told I was damn good but I know I'm not worth the millions these assholes make.
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How are they assholes? U mad because a professional league didn't pick you? Don't hate because the MLB decided to pay them as much as they want, doesn'take them assholes. What's with all this sports hate? You guys honestly believe they don't care about the game? Have you given them a lie dictator?

meechz 024 said:
Because the people who risk their lives protecting the country are mostly poor, come from poor families, and a lot are brainwashed into the military lifestyle so as long as they're family accepts them as "Patriots" they could care less how much they earn for their duties. Not to mention, a soldier never questions his country. If his government wants to pay him chump change for his duty than that's fine by him.

It's a weird thing when you give these kinds of people acceptance such as the honor of "protecting our country" . These poor people tend to feel as if they are doing the country a favor with their bravery, so money comes second. It's like protecting their nest, money is bonus.
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Mostly poor? Yeah that's not very true, middle class maybe but not poor, most of them have college degrees and once again, less than 1% see action...

MojoRison said:
I can see your point brandon, I could have phrased my response in a different manner because you're correct in your assumption. I do not watch movies, TV or read authors of note because they make lots of money. I do such things for pure self satisfaction and the enjoyment those media bring. The devil is in the details. I could watch a sport and think that those individuals are of a talent or skill set I'd admire, but the fact that they make obscene amounts of money tarnishes the image greatly. I agree with many here that the intellectual has become lost amongst the so called elite of our time. If you watch and listen to the average football game you wouldn't be wrong in the assumption that these men are put in the same light as the demigods of old....the battle between Hercules and Apollo comes to mind. Is that comparison even logical, perhaps not, but the result is the same. Putting any man or woman on a pedestal is fraught with danger, whether it be direct or implied. Why are there thousands of children wanting to be the next Jordan or Jackson, but not da Vinci or Newton.

My disdain for professional sports today comes from the fact these people were once children who loved to play the game, but now love the money and fame the game brings. Sport used to be a true test of ones mettle, it now seems more a test of who's got the best looking hair.

As for fun...well I just look into my sons eyes and say " Sure, lets go throw the ball around for awhile" because he still loves the game of play. And I hang out here
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This whole post is full of crap, I don't call out many people on the internet but I'm sorry, this is all crap as far as the eye can see, again, lie dictator or stfu...it's just an opinion and a stupid one.


guy incognito said:
No one was forced to join the military. Maybe they should have gone into professional sports if they wanted to be compensated like an athlete.

Sports fan are responsible for the grand pay scale. If they would stop eating it up and paying out of the ass then there wouldn't be a market for protecting that ball, and there wouldn't be the enormous stream of revenue to justify the large paychecks.



Why? What exactly makes those professions deserve more pay? To me that's like saying we should pay more for tires than we do for the electronics on the car. The tires are absolutely crucial, and your car would be useless without them, but on the other hand they are also just cheap rubber and everyone has at least 4 on every car. Teachers are a dime a dozen, and don't require near the amount of skill or training that other professions do.



Why would you assume that? How does believing that pro athletes make too much money extend to believing a list of other professions also make too much? I don't understand exactly how you linked them and came to that conclusion. Actors, authors, and musicians all have vastly different skill sets than a pro athlete and their compensation should be based on their own skills and ability to generate income.
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Justin Bieber...
 
MojoRison

MojoRison

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Trolling I feel that there is nothing wrong in disagreeing with someone

So I would like to say with all honestly, that I respectively disagree with you on this topic.
 
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