Minimum wage in mathematical terms

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burgertime2010 said:
I feel like dancing and spitting in someones mouth....powerful stuff.
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Drowning in this toilet of shit they call life
Work like hell at Taco Bell for $4.25 an hour
No one gives a squirt of piss if you fucking die
So seize the day by the balls, and squeeze until it's on it's knees

And now we dance like soldiers on the battlefield
the only triumph in a moment of glory
Crack your head open and sue somebody
Cop a feel on a punk rock girl in bondage pants
And Now We Dance

You are just a speck in a universe of turds
Silenced by conspirators, not another word.
With ozone trees depleted, you choke on malathion.
nothing fucking matters, so what's the use in tryin'?

And now we dance like warriors on the victory trail
only triumph in a moment of glory
Crack your head open and sue somebody
Come on and do push ups just like Jack Pallance
And Now We Dance

Never join the ranks of the kiss ass suit and tie
or the stinking hippie, the future is worth a lie,
nothing's worth a fuck, a fuck ain't worth a shit
we're only gonna die, here's how we deal with it
 
UncleBuck said:
that's correct, facts are facts.

race being mostly a social construct nowadays, the racism gets added by the person making sense of the facts.

in other words, facts aren't racist. you are.

but at least you admit it. case closed, no need to sidetrack things like sketchy etchy does.
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Facts are the product of racism in this statistic
 
echelon1k1 said:
it should probably be higher
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$10.10 indexed to cost of living seems good enough for now, and has 80% agreement.

a person can afford to heat a home on that wage in most places.

echelon1k1 said:
when you have someone that has earned minimum wage all their lives but have not bothered to up-skill, diversify or re-educate - that isn't something raising minimum wage will fix.
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what if someone is happy to work hard and have a happy little existence, with no desire to do anything other than live comfortably and without government assistance?

min wage fixes that.

not everyone wants to be a doctor, lots of people are just happy to watch their favorite show once a week, take a nice dump at night, and not have to stand in a welfare line after they work 40 hours a week.
 
Pinworm said:
Again, dummy. No one ever SETTLES for minimum wage, they are caged by it.
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Yes they do. When you don't up-skill, diversify or re-educate you are settling for mediocrity.

Even for those with low SES - are you implying there are no programs?

Bro, even volunteering your time with charities will be seen as a big plus by prospective paying employers. It's all about boosting your experience. Diversify.
 
BigNBushy said:
They may be able to hire a load of accountants and lawyers and avoid some taxation, but one also has to consider the cost of avoidance (lawyers and accountants don't work for minimum wage) and then the cost of compliance for the taxes they do pay.

Just because there is a loophole doesn't make it a free ride.
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you seem to be arguing that the army of highly paid lawyers and accountants outweighs the tax savings these companies enjoy.

only one problem once again: lack of empirical evidence.

if what you were saying were true and saved them no money, they wouldn't bother to hire that army of eggheads.

really, everyone is glad that you failed so spectacularly in your attempt to become a lawyer. you are not fit to iron my shorts.
 
echelon1k1 said:
Yes they do. When you don't up-skill, diversify or re-educate you are settling for mediocrity.

Even for those with low SES - are you implying there are no programs?

Bro, even volunteering your time with charities will be seen as a big plus by prospective paying employers. It's all about boosting your experience. Diversify.
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Show me some programs that I can join. I'm intrigued.
 
burgertime2010 said:
Ok, I understand the humility if a first job and I think in a way it could build character to work for pringles. But, the people on the bottom work harder than anyone. They earn their money just like you, another day.....another fuckin dollar. You deserve to have a living wage.
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Youre right. They work harder than most people.
You know why?
They don't know how to work yet.
They deserve minimum wages.
As we grow older and wiser we tend to "work smarter, not harder".
If that doesnt 'click' I'm not sure how to help you any further.
 
UncleBuck said:
and despite right wing brainwashed utopian communal delusions, there will always be people at the bottom. not everyone can bootstrap up even if they try their hardest and wish on reagan fairy dust.

which is why that point is moot and not even worth addressing, the issue we are addressing is how we will treat those working poor at the bottom.

some people, like bignbushy, try to delude themselves into thinking that the bottom is a delusion, that no one they know works for that little thus no one really earns that little.

and none of them dare bother to actually run numbers or learn from actual, concrete, real world examples.

it's sad and pathetic that people are so averse to simple facts.

facts and evidence are anathema to the right.
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I didn't say that....

I guess the best analogy to working for min wage is being fat.

If you don't want to be fat anymore, go on a diet. It isn't easy to lose weight, but it can be done. It takes hard work, dedication, and discipline. Same things it takes to get and hold a good job, and it won't happen overnight.

And the right says bootstrap. Again, being fat is a good analogy. Republicans say, you don't have to stay fat. You can go on a diet. But regardless of that, some fat fucks will always be fat fucks.
 
echelon1k1 said:
When you don't up-skill, diversify or re-educate you are settling for mediocrity.
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even though some people do settle for the bare min, plenty of people are trapped by it. it's called the cycle of poverty, and multiculturalist mudscuttles did not invent it.

it's easier to put your life on auto pilot when you've got some funds. when you are dependent on $290 check to $290 check, even the little things are a bigger hassle. you might not have the money to do your grocery shopping all at once rather than day by day. it's all part of the poverty trap, and it is tough as hell to escape.

this bootstrap argument is semi-utopian and ignorant of cold, hard reality.
 
Pinworm said:
Show me some programs that I can join. I'm intrigued.
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don't you know about the old, desktop computer at the jobs resources center 20 miles away and not near the bus line which you are only allowed to use for 20 minutes at a time?

that's your ticket out!

or the socialist library, you socialist.
 
Nutes and Nugs said:
Youre right. They work harder than most people.
You know why?
They don't know how to work yet.
They deserve minimum wages.
As we grow older and wiser we tend to "work smarter, not harder".
If that doesnt 'click' I'm not sure how to help you any further.
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I love this. Enslave the young and mediocre......this thread would be gone but its worth it
 
UncleBuck said:
you seem to be arguing that the army of highly paid lawyers and accountants outweighs the tax savings these companies enjoy.

only one problem once again: lack of empirical evidence.

if what you were saying were true and saved them no money, they wouldn't bother to hire that army of eggheads.

really, everyone is glad that you failed so spectacularly in your attempt to become a lawyer. you are not fit to iron my shorts.
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only an idiot would think I was implying that. If a company can spend $60k to save $100k, they are going to write a check for $60k.

But they still had to spend the 60k.
 
Nutes and Nugs said:
DO SOMETHING for yourself!
You don't need any damned Programs.
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I don't need anyone. But, I'm still down to start a buisness with you, I've got $290 saved up. Took me 2 months to save. Probs will get my baby girl's teeth fixed, though. No hard feelings?
 
UncleBuck said:
even though some people do settle for the bare min, plenty of people are trapped by it. it's called the cycle of poverty, and multiculturalist mudscuttles did not invent it.

it's easier to put your life on auto pilot when you've got some funds. when you are dependent on $290 check to $290 check, even the little things are a bigger hassle. you might not have the money to do your grocery shopping all at once rather than day by day. it's all part of the poverty trap, and it is tough as hell to escape.

this bootstrap argument is semi-utopian and ignorant of cold, hard reality.
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Hey Buck
Where is the page that shows 80% is in favour of minimum wage?

The only idiots that "settle" for min wage are either stupid or in jail.
Tell us about your present job.
 
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