Miracle grow
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lilroach
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It's funny you call it crap for weed. Have you actually looked at the pictures of plants grown in MG? If the grower didn't attempt to add even more nutrients to the already nutrient-rich soil, the plants come out very nice thank you.
Uncle Ben
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What foods are you talking about? I do NPK values and would not hesitate to recommend their Tomato food, 18-18-21 as a balanced food or the 20-20-20 that can be used at all times. Where folks get themselves into trouble is using bloom foods that are ultra high in P or K. Those foods will induce premature leaf drop and micro deficiencies. The masses don't know or care, they continue to suck up to forum paradigms, hype, and labels as opposed to learning something about plant nutrition.
Still waiting on that documentation....
Thanks
qwizoking
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I don't know this....I use their wood chunk time released nute ball soil, their African violet is my personal favorite. Nothing is crap for mj, all it is, is a different medium. If mg made unfertilized African violet soil i would jump for joy. All I use the soil for is a good medium that the roots like. My plants all prefer av...if you have nothing positive to contribute why speak. This is obviously an mg thread. I didn't go into any of ub's threads because I know I wouldn't have much nice to say in them.... this is just my preference I don't claim to be some weed growing expert, I've just stated what works best for me and a few facts about their products
Uncle Ben
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I want to know the science behind your claim or MG's claim that using MG foods on vegetables makes them "inedible". It's the same salts you get out of a load of cow manure.
Doesn't make any sense. Their plant food isn't some fungicide or pesticide with a FDA ascribed "Warning" label on the box.
qwizoking
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I don't know why its listed as inedible I can only assume that they aren't lying.. they don't say this about all their products. I don't believe it has anything to do with nutes but something else they put in as well.. the site I listed tests for heavy metals that are toxic, none of which are listed on the box neither are the amount of liming agents or which ones. The Ingrediant list on the box doesn't go into much detail at all about their product. Its only through other sources I've found info.. wsda is where I got heavy metal info such as arsenic
Dboi87
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Just to be clear MG offers two all purpose foods. One is a 20-20-20. The other is 24-8-16 which is the one I'm talking about. Label specifically states it's for all plants including fruits and vegetables. Maybe you were thinking of another?
kinddiesel
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mg is just as good as any other fertilizer ! for a fraction of the cost, but what are you going to use to get it to flower ? you cant have all that nitrogen in there, 20 20 20 , is ok for veg, but flowering. you want example, 0 45 30. I prefer , lowest nitro as possible but some 5 55. 30 is great, rem with all that nitro it will slow down flowering. I found some, its called, (jacks hydroponics) yes used for soil grow check the web site, get this for flower, mg will work but small yields,
qwizoking
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Model: 1001192 Internet/Catalog: 100537353 Store SKU: 781762
Mg all purpose plant food 24-8-16
Checked the other and it is suitable for veggies... I don't know the secret inedible ingredient. Or why they have multiples of each product.. very confusing to me. But I've only seen the same 1 of each kind in stores in my area.. either way I don't like the all purpose for many many reasons don't just get caught up in the edibility. Its not a solid nute for weed. The bloom booster contains 16 different nutes and again more are chelated and less urea n etc. Its all around better and has a good enough npk ratio to give good results in veg and flower
Mg all purpose plant food 24-8-16
Checked the other and it is suitable for veggies... I don't know the secret inedible ingredient. Or why they have multiples of each product.. very confusing to me. But I've only seen the same 1 of each kind in stores in my area.. either way I don't like the all purpose for many many reasons don't just get caught up in the edibility. Its not a solid nute for weed. The bloom booster contains 16 different nutes and again more are chelated and less urea n etc. Its all around better and has a good enough npk ratio to give good results in veg and flower
Dboi87
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Really? 0 N? It's fact the plant still needs nitrogen through flower. Less than veg maybe but it still needs it for multiple life processes. How do you keep them looking healthy and avoiding your leaves from dying off?Maybe you have some other nitrogen source othan than your foods such as castings or other substances in your soil?
Uncle Ben
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Big mistake but I've beat that dead horse long enough. It will NOT slow down flowering. That is another forum myth and paradigm parroted by every new crop of newbies who read that shit from what the last crop of newbies parroted from the last crop of newbies they read from who......
If I was told by a vendor, "UB, I'll give you any of our plant foods, enough to garden for the rest of your life, take your pick".......I'd choose a 24-8-16 NPK with micros, especially during the flowering response because it will support leaf health/production and not lock out micros - both the key to your success. I use a slow release 18-4-9 with micros on thousands of plants, mostly perennials and without a doubt (and as corroborated by my network of horticultural friends and pros) it is the NPK to go with, mas o menos.
UB
Uncle Ben
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Leaves don't produce bud, AN bloom foods do, as you well found out.
Dboi87
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If that's the case I'm doomed to never grow bud againLeaves don't produce bud, AN bloom foods do, as you well found out.
VonNonymous
Member
Yep. At scott's own website they show the 15-30-15
http://www.scotts.com/smg/goprod/miracle-gro-bloom-booster-flower-food/prod70352/
at Amazon website there is the 10-52-10
http://www.amazon.com/Unknown-136001-MG-Bloom-Booster/dp/B0049PLD26/ref=pd_sbs_lg_3/175-3978462-6280030
What I found at the local small time hardware store was the 10-52-10, at the big box hardware labyrinth they had the 15-30-15
VonNonymous
Member
Lol Last year I got carried away with RUI bloom booster fever. Petioles turned red right when I first used them and it was looking bad. Then I stopped using the bloom booster and molasses. I got some good buds. They filled i n nicely and leaves never dropped wildly until frost hit them a couple times. Better than anything I ever bought. Way better.
Now this spring/early summer, it was extra rainy. My stuff was basically underwater for a couple/three weeks. Surprised I got anything left at all. But I think that leached out the nutrients in the soil mixture I used, which was about half the miracle gro (forget the catchy name) fortified time release soil mix. I also used the same for some veggies in pots. They all needed more fertilizer when the rain stopped finally.
For the weed, I used regular MG at about half strength each time, with epsom salts a couple times too btw.
I also have some MG rose food, and the 10-52-10 bloom booster on hand. (used on their respective 'legit' uses with apparent success? = nothing died or burnt)
Now not sure if I should continue fertilizing the mj or not, with any version of it?
VonNonymous
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Top is about 1 week maybe after the daily rain stopped. They looked pathetic! Bottom is now. Used only the regular MG, at about half recommended strength, with some epsom salts around half as many times as the MG.
Soil mix was 1/2 MG fortified time release, perlite, vermiculite and sand. No manure or other natural fertilizer elements this year. Prepared holes, surrounding native soil is fairly heavy clay composition.
Soil mix was 1/2 MG fortified time release, perlite, vermiculite and sand. No manure or other natural fertilizer elements this year. Prepared holes, surrounding native soil is fairly heavy clay composition.