MMPR Grow op: Small Scale
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cannadan
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Hey Koot
Been sampling your goods I see....lol
martyg
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Nice poem, it isn't the first time you made reference to patients selling their Meds, not every one is like you and sells there Meds lots of us just use it for ourselves. As for the mmpr it's the biggest bunch of bs next to the senate scandal. You wanna be an lp fine good luck idfc I will not be forced to buy any thing from any lp. What's next having a vegetable garden my back yard will be illegal. Tabacco is sold In Stores and it is also not illegal to grow. Check the laws but I'm pretty sure one is allowed so many kgs of tobacco grown themselves
Kootenaygirl
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You still don't get it, not the patients selling their meds, the patients getting subsidized by the DG who sells the extra meds grown for that patient. Turning a blind eye they call it.
So I just couldn't let it rest...I asked HC for clarification on the two years of Video storage requirement...their first answer directed me to the regulation. Then I wrote back to verify the two year requirement and they replied with more references to the regulation. So I'm going to say if you are planning on hiring a third party to monitor your site and all places with-in, they should be prepared to keep two years of data per camera. But please feel free to ask HC for clarification. In this case I would love to be wrong. I wonder how the 3 approved LPs are interpreting that requirement.
Kootenaygirl
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Thank you for you interest in becom............Don't you just love those pre-approved sentences and paragraphs HC inserts in it's answers based on a few key words. Tough to get a straight answer on the simplest of questions.
We wrangled over this too, our conclusion with help from HC and our security guru was 2 years for incidents only. Best I can do, it is just not written well enough.
We wrangled over this too, our conclusion with help from HC and our security guru was 2 years for incidents only. Best I can do, it is just not written well enough.
leaffan
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It took us awhile too, but we came up with the same conclusion.
Stark Raving
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I'll third that.
Hello yall,
Ive spent the last couple of hours reading through every page of this thread. props to kron, kootenaygirl and the rest of you for the informative posts (and that amazing poem!). Im based in Quebec and building my business plan to become a small scale LP.
I do have a couple questions which I haven't seen discussed in this thread. First off, can anyone tell me exactly what a Licensed Dealer is? My google queries haven't been very productive. I found out about this company called National Access CA (which seems like a pharmacy), but no information as to how to become a Licensed Dealer (which would inherently describe what it essentially is!) I called HC on the matter and was referred to an email address in the controlled substances office. Ill post their answer once I receive it.
Secondly, where can I find more information pertaining to the Import/Export market. Granted, it's somewhat explained in the legislation, but I was hoping to find a reference document or web page on the matter.
Lastly, I'm struggling with the notion of acceptable pesticide use. The way my partner understands it, we can barely use pesticides. Thus the notion of control comes into play. Are any of you worried about pest eggs on the seeds themselves, such as hemp russet mites? Is my partner correct in disregarding my main consultant's suggestion which is to buy seeds from HC, and instead develop strains from stem cells?
As you can see production isn't my specialty on the team, but I have been taking notes as to their concerns and figured this thread might have answers.
Thanks and best of luck with your apps!
Ive spent the last couple of hours reading through every page of this thread. props to kron, kootenaygirl and the rest of you for the informative posts (and that amazing poem!). Im based in Quebec and building my business plan to become a small scale LP.
I do have a couple questions which I haven't seen discussed in this thread. First off, can anyone tell me exactly what a Licensed Dealer is? My google queries haven't been very productive. I found out about this company called National Access CA (which seems like a pharmacy), but no information as to how to become a Licensed Dealer (which would inherently describe what it essentially is!) I called HC on the matter and was referred to an email address in the controlled substances office. Ill post their answer once I receive it.
Secondly, where can I find more information pertaining to the Import/Export market. Granted, it's somewhat explained in the legislation, but I was hoping to find a reference document or web page on the matter.
Lastly, I'm struggling with the notion of acceptable pesticide use. The way my partner understands it, we can barely use pesticides. Thus the notion of control comes into play. Are any of you worried about pest eggs on the seeds themselves, such as hemp russet mites? Is my partner correct in disregarding my main consultant's suggestion which is to buy seeds from HC, and instead develop strains from stem cells?
As you can see production isn't my specialty on the team, but I have been taking notes as to their concerns and figured this thread might have answers.
Thanks and best of luck with your apps!
WHATFG
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The guy that wanted to grow for me called it "making my contribution to the cause". There were one extra meds here...2oz off the top. I assume that the bigger the script the more off the top. There is a section in the act about knowingly turning a blind eye and losing your ability to ever have a licence again. Knowing my luck....I revoked....again.
leaffan
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Hello, and welcome.
You can apply to be a licensed dealer or a licensed producer. I believe a licensed dealer is a lab or R&D facility. Many things are unclear and ambiguous.
I have not found any additional information on import / export.
Pesticides are another ambiguous area.
I wouldn't buy seeds from HC. I wouldn't develop seeds from stem cells either, hell I wouldn't know where to begin with that one.
Developing strains from "scratch" will cost you months of time.
A licensed LP can purchase seeds and plants from another LP or from a PPL or DG under the MMAR program.
Looks like you've done a lot of homework. The questions you are asking are questions we have been asking too. You will realize that HC has left areas of the regulations loose, or open to interpretation. An example of this is the QA qualifications. I believe HC has been ambiguous in certain areas because they are trying to figure things out. HC is learning as the new program is developing.
Good luck, hope my input helps a bit.
Kootenaygirl
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Great to have another wannabe LP posting.
I assumed (make an ass out of u and me), that LD's were the labs and possibly pharmacies in the future, R&D?
All permission to import/export comes through HC. You already new that, I would ask HC, just for the challenge, lol. Keep us posted.
We are concerned about bringing pests into our operation as well, a good microscope, and some due diligence goes a long way, if you know what your avoiding you can do a lot, we fear the broadmite, among others. No pesticides on MMPR marihuana. None have been approved, small scale LP's should like this, as once you scale up it becomes exponentially more difficult to avoid the pests. Almost impossible. Give up in a greenhouse, maybe wintertime.
HC has showed little in the way of professionalism over the years, with no grow skills or knowledge. HC's "strain" is weak and undesirable, using this as a starting point seems to me that your risking the bugs and an uphill breeding battle or an unsaleable product. You obviously know more about this than I do (ie stem cells), can you explain why you would even consider HC, as a good source?
I assumed (make an ass out of u and me), that LD's were the labs and possibly pharmacies in the future, R&D?
All permission to import/export comes through HC. You already new that, I would ask HC, just for the challenge, lol. Keep us posted.
We are concerned about bringing pests into our operation as well, a good microscope, and some due diligence goes a long way, if you know what your avoiding you can do a lot, we fear the broadmite, among others. No pesticides on MMPR marihuana. None have been approved, small scale LP's should like this, as once you scale up it becomes exponentially more difficult to avoid the pests. Almost impossible. Give up in a greenhouse, maybe wintertime.
HC has showed little in the way of professionalism over the years, with no grow skills or knowledge. HC's "strain" is weak and undesirable, using this as a starting point seems to me that your risking the bugs and an uphill breeding battle or an unsaleable product. You obviously know more about this than I do (ie stem cells), can you explain why you would even consider HC, as a good source?
As I said, production isn't my forte. sidenote: I struggled for years to get my MMAR license, but the order of doctors in quebec is very difficult to reason with on the matter. It isn't until a couple weeks ago that i finally got my MMPR license from a clinic in Vancouver. I digress.
I am considering HC seeds on the basis that a consultant I have retained for GPPs, SOPs and QAP training (for 20k mind you) and eventually testing of my crops (for 2700$) is suggesting I buy seeds directly from HC - obviously this isn't their strongest department either. When I heard this, I was surprised as well. To my knowledge a successful LP will develop proprietary strains, or at least unique strains for the Canadian market. I was just running it by you guys. Thanks for the input everybody! By the way, if you think I'm getting ripped off from my consultant, let me know how you're going about this, I'm only 5k in
I will post HC's response about the LDs and the question of import/export.
Cheers
I am considering HC seeds on the basis that a consultant I have retained for GPPs, SOPs and QAP training (for 20k mind you) and eventually testing of my crops (for 2700$) is suggesting I buy seeds directly from HC - obviously this isn't their strongest department either. When I heard this, I was surprised as well. To my knowledge a successful LP will develop proprietary strains, or at least unique strains for the Canadian market. I was just running it by you guys. Thanks for the input everybody! By the way, if you think I'm getting ripped off from my consultant, let me know how you're going about this, I'm only 5k in
I will post HC's response about the LDs and the question of import/export.
Cheers
leaffan
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As I said, production isn't my forte. sidenote: I struggled for years to get my MMAR license, but the order of doctors in quebec is very difficult to reason with on the matter. It isn't until a couple weeks ago that i finally got my MMPR license from a clinic in Vancouver. I digress.
I am considering HC seeds on the basis that a consultant I have retained for GPPs, SOPs and QAP training (for 20k mind you) and eventually testing of my crops (for 2700$) is suggesting I buy seeds directly from HC - obviously this isn't their strongest department either. When I heard this, I was surprised as well. To my knowledge a successful LP will develop proprietary strains, or at least unique strains for the Canadian market. I was just running it by you guys. Thanks for the input everybody! By the way, if you think I'm getting ripped off from my consultant, let me know how you're going about this, I'm only 5k in
I will post HC's response about the LDs and the question of import/export.
Cheers
20K sounds reasonable if its from a company like RPC. Quality people and facility.
20K does not sound too bad, I have heard figures much much higher. The testing for 2700 though, that you may want to haggle down a bit, depending on your volumes of course.As I said, production isn't my forte. sidenote: I struggled for years to get my MMAR license, but the order of doctors in quebec is very difficult to reason with on the matter. It isn't until a couple weeks ago that i finally got my MMPR license from a clinic in Vancouver. I digress.
I am considering HC seeds on the basis that a consultant I have retained for GPPs, SOPs and QAP training (for 20k mind you) and eventually testing of my crops (for 2700$) is suggesting I buy seeds directly from HC - obviously this isn't their strongest department either. When I heard this, I was surprised as well. To my knowledge a successful LP will develop proprietary strains, or at least unique strains for the Canadian market. I was just running it by you guys. Thanks for the input everybody! By the way, if you think I'm getting ripped off from my consultant, let me know how you're going about this, I'm only 5k in
I will post HC's response about the LDs and the question of import/export.
Cheers
itsmehigh
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Got assigned a health Canada case manager today. So far it's been 6 weeks since we put our application in, at least there's some progress. So far app. is now 170 pages….Who knows what's next?
As far as seeds go there are hundreds if not thousands of strains to choose from via reputable breeders. To choose health Canada's strain would be a huge mistake. Why would you limited yourself to one strain that has been proven ineffective. Don't worry about pests coming in with seeds, and there are approved and registered pesticides from HC, pyrethrum is one.
cheers itsme
As far as seeds go there are hundreds if not thousands of strains to choose from via reputable breeders. To choose health Canada's strain would be a huge mistake. Why would you limited yourself to one strain that has been proven ineffective. Don't worry about pests coming in with seeds, and there are approved and registered pesticides from HC, pyrethrum is one.
cheers itsme
wurdperfect
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What was ur last digits on ur applications ? So 6weeks for u to get in review stage? 170 pages... Was that including the SOPs? Anyone knows when HC is goin on holidays and for how long ?
Magenta Thumb
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And what is your plan if it turns out that HC wants all the vid stored?
Pesticides in Canada are registered for specific crops. There are not any registered for Cannabis yet, so you can not use any. If I am out of date on this please post the link, but when I checked there were none.
As such, the main control will be good sanitation practices and maybe some biological controls. I wouldn't worry too much about the seeds, but you could give them a quick disinfection with bleach just to be safe.
Regarding the seeds, I wouldn't go with HCs supply but you would need to find a legal source if you go elsewhere. From what I have heard of HCs supply, they are ok, but I think there are better out there. IMO genetics will be one of the most important factors so you should not settle for ok.