Monkee's Grow - Stealth, From Seed 12/12, CFL

true that. just saying maybe getting a hps w/ air cooled reflector would help w/ the heat. but i've never had to deal with heat...it's a great experiment, though...i'll be stoppin in to check the progress for sure!

Day 16 - Something to think about

Day: 16
Lights: 12/12 (6 cfl, 100 watts equ)
Strain: Plant 1,2,3 - White Widow; Plant 4 - LR2
Temperature: 90's
Humidity: 20's
Watered: 1 cup each
Nutraints: none
Inside Smell: none
Outside Smell: none
Other: fliter broke last night and will need to be fixed this weekend

White Widow 1 - you can see there is a bit of nute burn on this one. its the smallest of them all


Lowryder 2's - this one is growing and has NO smell today which is great cause the fliter fell off last night


White Widow 2 - This one is the biggest of them all and really strong


White Widow 3 - This one is a bit crooked but is 100% as well


Something to think about... look at those pictures, they are 12/12 from seed with 6 low powered cfl's

tons of people on this forum says that what im doing right now would be shit... or wouldn't work out... but look at these and compare them to most plants in these journals they are not far off... while i admit they wont be the best for flower a lot of people when they start to grow are hesitant over big set ups,this works for a lot of people

not trying to stur up any shit, just saying to new growers to not always jump at the biggest set up's

They look great monkee, i agree with what you say about the CFL's not working....thats total bull, they work very well when done with enough care and thought.

How long till you anticipate sex?

The LR2 auto flowers, when does it naturally start to flower as they've seen?

I highly suggest a small piece of plexi around your lights, helped a friend today with his box, and his was peaking at 95 3 23w daylights, 97 with 4. Plexi to seperate, with all 4 lights never broke 90F. If you havn't tried already its definently proven and woth a shot. Phyisically seperate the hot air from the plants....and pull it all out!

Try $47.90 (+$8 shipping) for 150w HPS complete lamp setup.

I would stick to CFLs for the rubbermaid grow though.

I think i can sex around day 30-35, depending on size i may have to cut down on having 4 plants in there but we will see

the LR is auto i know that, and i expect it to flower in 2 weeks or so, i should know the sex on that one before the WW

also i want to make it clear I HAVE NO INTEREST IN HPS! lol, i know how to use them and the benefits but for this grow i have no interest in them

MetalSmelter said:

I highly suggest a small piece of plexi around your lights, helped a friend today with his box, and his was peaking at 95 3 23w daylights, 97 with 4. Plexi to seperate, with all 4 lights never broke 90F. If you havn't tried already its definently proven and woth a shot. Phyisically seperate the hot air from the plants....and pull it all out!

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wouldnt the plexiglass eff with the lumens quite a bit??? i know window glass does when idiots try to grow in a closed window sill....

I think it does but if you have high temps it helps more than it hurts

koncyse said:

wouldnt the plexiglass eff with the lumens quite a bit??? i know window glass does when idiots try to grow in a closed window sill....

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Theres nothing better than a physical boundry, and plexiglass is just like window glass, (Lexan, or saftey shields is the same). Does it drop lumens, probobly so. But if you cram enough lights in a box like monkee and I have, then getting more than the sun puts out is rather easy. Having a little less lumens because of the plexi is fine, generally drops tempertures about 7-10degrees.

Also gives a physical boundry the plant can grow upto and space the plexi 2" from the lights and no possibility of burning if the plants grow into the space given to the lights.

Will look into the plexi droping lumens theory, But from what i've seen its perfectly fine for use......Acrylic glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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• PMMA transmits up to 98% of visible light (per metre)[2], and gives a ~4% reflection from each of its surfaces on account of its refractive index of 1.4893 to 1.4899.
• PMMA filters ultraviolet (UV) light at wavelengths below ~300 nm. Some manufacturers[3] add coatings or additives to PMMA to improve absorption in the 300-400 nm range.
• PMMA allows infrared light of up to 2800 nm wavelength to pass. IR of longer wavelengths, up to 25,000 nm, are essentially blocked. Special formulations of colored PMMA exist to allow specific IR wavelengths to pass while blocking visible light (for remote control or heat sensor applications, for example).

If my math is right i'm suing around 13000lumens over a lets say 1.25sf area, IIRC 10k lumens is what the sun puts out, still pumping out even with the possible 2% diffusion 12740 over a square meter. Double that based on my footprint being 1.25-1.5sq Feet. So i'm looking at still 20+k lumens based on that math........and i've no clue if its even right or close to right.

just to clear everything up, im not using plexi glass but i agree with its helpfulness

im fine with temps from 85-95, thats acceptable

more worried about the smell... no updates today with pictures cause im lazy... one of the plants has serious nute burn, one other one may have some of it but the rest are ok

the carbon fliters in and i think it works, but my gf doesn't think so... she says its making the room smell, in a way shes a bit right but i think its also a phantom smell as well

worried when the smell increases, dont want to end the grow before it starts

MetalSmelter said:

• PMMA transmits up to 98% of visible light (per metre)[2], and gives a ~4% reflection from each of its surfaces on account of its refractive index of 1.4893 to 1.4899.
• PMMA filters ultraviolet (UV) light at wavelengths below ~300 nm. Some manufacturers[3] add coatings or additives to PMMA to improve absorption in the 300-400 nm range.
• PMMA allows infrared light of up to 2800 nm wavelength to pass. IR of longer wavelengths, up to 25,000 nm, are essentially blocked. Special formulations of colored PMMA exist to allow specific IR wavelengths to pass while blocking visible light (for remote control or heat sensor applications, for example).

If my math is right i'm suing around 13000lumens over a lets say 1.25sf area, IIRC 10k lumens is what the sun puts out, still pumping out even with the possible 2% diffusion 12740 over a square meter. Double that based on my footprint being 1.25-1.5sq Feet. So i'm looking at still 20+k lumens based on that math........and i've no clue if its even right or close to right.

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my head hurts now... i wish i had a blunt...

Hey Monkee, nice looking plants you have there.
They have really grown since the last time I stopped by

Later.

Day 18 - Plant Busted, Nute Burned, Very Smelly... but ok

Day: 18
Lights: 12/12 (6 cfl, 100 watts equ)
Strain: Plant 1,2,3 - White Widow; Plant 4 - LR2
Temperature: 88
Humidity: 25%
Watered: none
Nutraints: none
Inside Smell: 3/10
Outside Smell: 1/10

Here are the pics of the plants in the box today

The two nute burned white widows


LR at the top, the crushed ww in the corner


However there have been a bunch of problems since my last update

my fliter broke and fell on the biggest plant, you can't see the damage in the pictures but the stock of the plant is very tender and im hoping it didn't get shocked a lot

next 2 of the 4 show nute burns, the smallest one has it the worst... not bad enough to kill but im worried its going to turn male on me now

the LR smells quite a bit, but i think i have it under control but we will see over the weekend... if the smell gets terrible im fucked, but for now im sitting pretty

finally im debating when to move some of the plants to bigger containers or if ill even have to ???

Those cans look like 6"ers to me, i have mine in an 8" and its fine, keep it on the small side.

yeah i have really deep ones so ive been wondering

Looking Good Monkee.

PzOuT

wow
they look pretty good for a rubbermaid grow
good work i might copy your setup when i get $
=)

whats the weather like where you live?

ever think about putting them outside if thr smell gets to bad?

Day 20 - Yellow Leaves

Day: 20
Lights: 12/12 (6 cfl, 100 watts equ)
Strain: Plant 1,2,3 - White Widow; Plant 4 - LR2
Temperature: unknown
Humidity: unknown
Watered: none
Nutraints: none
Inside Smell: 2/10
Outside Smell: 2/10
Other: fliter fell off of course again


well came home again to the fliter broken for the 3 time! so ill have to find a better way to deal with this tonight

also the leaves are yellow and i think its because the bigger leaves are blocking the light i got some pictures but i could use some suggestions, im thinking of just tying the plant to the side so the bottom leaves get some more light

also it could be a nitrogen problem... that usually causes this and it might be because some of the higher leaves have small problems

The Plants


The Dead Leaves

after thinking about it for a while ive deteremined its lack of nitrogen

it moved to the upper leaves slowly and light problems wouldn't cause that

gave them a shot of nitro in some nutes and we will see how that works

Are you still planning to LST them?