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What is the difference between being religious and being spiritual?
Being spiritual means you seek enlightenment.
Being religious means you seek reward.
Basically meaning that someone who is true in faith, prays and worships for their own enlightenment and guidance where as religious people typically only worship for the promise of heaven and the fear of hell.
Another thought on religion versus science:
Science explains what religion can not, while religion offers answers to what science has yet to be able to explain.
Basically meaning that science is able to put to light the physics and reality of life before death, while religion offers answers for life after death (something which science has yet to prove).
Now for my own religious/spiritual beliefs... I claim to be agnostic/pagan.
I believe that there is life after death, that there is a creator(s). However I don't believe that he/she/they care about what happens to us individually or even on any level.
That is up to us to determine what's right or wrong. To build our own morals and values and that we should not depend on ancient text to tell us what to do.
I do pray, but not in traditional sense. Instead of getting on my knees and putting my palms together I just talk to whoever is out there. For all I know there might be someone listening wanting to help but is unable to get involved.
Meditation is another great way to strive for inner peace, but I don't seem to have the patience for it.
I have my own theories about an afterlife. Reincarnation is one that I think is not to far fetched. Heaven and hell... well that seems a little romanticised to me.
Two theories that I do think about as being more realistic is that:
1 - When you die your life flashes before your eyes. We could all be dead/dying right now and not even know it because we are infinitely reliving our life in our final moments.
2 - When we die our mind shuts down in this dimension only to be woken in a different dimension. I remember reading something along the lines of reality is 4 dimensional (or something along those lines) and that our minds are unable to see or process anything other than the 3rd dimension. It might be possible that when we die our minds open up in a new way and we end up living in the 4th dimension free of body but not of soul. (this is pretty much a very amateurish scientific explanation of ghost)
Being spiritual means you seek enlightenment.
Being religious means you seek reward.
Basically meaning that someone who is true in faith, prays and worships for their own enlightenment and guidance where as religious people typically only worship for the promise of heaven and the fear of hell.
Another thought on religion versus science:
Science explains what religion can not, while religion offers answers to what science has yet to be able to explain.
Basically meaning that science is able to put to light the physics and reality of life before death, while religion offers answers for life after death (something which science has yet to prove).
Now for my own religious/spiritual beliefs... I claim to be agnostic/pagan.
I believe that there is life after death, that there is a creator(s). However I don't believe that he/she/they care about what happens to us individually or even on any level.
That is up to us to determine what's right or wrong. To build our own morals and values and that we should not depend on ancient text to tell us what to do.
I do pray, but not in traditional sense. Instead of getting on my knees and putting my palms together I just talk to whoever is out there. For all I know there might be someone listening wanting to help but is unable to get involved.
Meditation is another great way to strive for inner peace, but I don't seem to have the patience for it.
I have my own theories about an afterlife. Reincarnation is one that I think is not to far fetched. Heaven and hell... well that seems a little romanticised to me.
Two theories that I do think about as being more realistic is that:
1 - When you die your life flashes before your eyes. We could all be dead/dying right now and not even know it because we are infinitely reliving our life in our final moments.
2 - When we die our mind shuts down in this dimension only to be woken in a different dimension. I remember reading something along the lines of reality is 4 dimensional (or something along those lines) and that our minds are unable to see or process anything other than the 3rd dimension. It might be possible that when we die our minds open up in a new way and we end up living in the 4th dimension free of body but not of soul. (this is pretty much a very amateurish scientific explanation of ghost)
Finshaggy
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The Hebrew Israelites (Commonly called the Black Hebrew Israelites) are an American based group that was started in the 1800s as the Church of the Living God, the Pillar Ground of Truth for All Nations by F.S. Cherry. Later came the Church of God and Saints of Christ. And in 1919 Wentworth Arthur Mathew was inspired by Marcus Garvey and created the Commandment Keepers, this started an explosion around America and there are now many Hebrew Israelite branches around America today, such as the ISUPK or the Israeli School of Universal Practical Knowledge.
The Hebrew Israelites are what people would usually refer to as "African Americans" but they identify as Hebrew. They do a lot of Bible study, with the focus of America being a central theme of the book of Revelations as well as other books. They accept the King James Bible and usually that is what a Hebrew Israelite will discuss with you, but some of them are very well read in Jewish texts such as the Torah and Tanakh.
In the late 1900s a group of Hebrew Israelites went to Israel and were accepted, now over 2,500 Hebrew Israelites have moved to Israel.
Many Jewish people will automatically reject the Hebrew Israelites as legitimate Jewish descendants, but there are strange evidences of Hebrew Israelites in Africa via examples like the Lemba people. They are deep in Africa, in Zimbabwe. And they are a group that keeps the Sabbath and does various other things that resemble Jewish tradition. The Hebrew Israelites claim that when Rome took Israel the Israelites went in to Africa and other places, so that is where they claim lineage from. And examples like the Lemba people offer strange starting points for DNA study and other study into this.
Finshaggy
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Noble Drew Ali formed his first Temple in 1913 and continued forming them across America until he settled in Chicago in 1925 with Temple No. 9. What he did in the Temples was teach people who considered themselves to be ex-Slaves and gave them an identity and Heritage of "Moorish".
Not only did Noble Drew Ali form the Temple, but he created a Mystery School that mirrors that of a Masonic Lodge or Shriner's Temple.
The focus of the Temples are to teach the people that most people call "African Americans" that they have North African Heritage that is linked to Asiatic history. There are now 260 Temples across America.
The Teachings of Moorish Science are based on a Quran that was written by Noble Drew Ali, and it can be found online on websites like Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Koran-Moorish-Science-Temple-America/dp/1886433984
A Free Version can also be found here.
http://hermetic.com/moorish/7koran.html
Singlemalt
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Hey Fin, tell me about Xenu
Finshaggy
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Many people attach Freemasons to conspiracies because they are scared of the Secrecy. I am not sharing any conspiracy theories, this is literally just a Religious Movement.
Here is a link for a Google search that should show you Masonic Lodges in your area.
https://www.google.com/#q=Masonic+Lodge
If you think Freemasons are evil or don't exist, then please just watch this so you can see that they are regular people.
Freemasonry started with people who were actually stone Masons. If you look at Europe there are tons of giant Cathedrals and Forts, and someone had to build those. And during this time there were Masonic Unions, similar to how there are Unions for workers today. They would set the prices, and help people find work, etc. Eventually Masons started keeping a "Lodge" on the work-site where they could share meals and store their tools for the night. These lodges became the Masonic lodges we see today.
If you go to your Town Hall or Public Library or Masonic Lodge, there will probably be a plaque somewhere on the building that says "Building Erected 1919" or Established or whatever, then it might say something like "By The Order of Free and Accepted Masons".
The practices they do are Based on the Myths of Hiram, and they claim that they were the ones who built Salomon's Temple in Ancient Israel, which can never be proven or disproven because the Temple was destroyed in either 500 AD or 500 BC. The Gloves, Apron and Square that they wear represent a part of this Myth, where the Grand Master Mason was killed in the Temple, this is also part of a Ceremony involving a Mallet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Abiff
Finshaggy
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No lucid ones yet, but I have been having some good dreams. I have not done rituals for Lucid Dreams yet though.
Finshaggy
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Jediism is an Atheistic Religious Movement based on the Movie series Star Wars. Jediism focuses on the Teachings of Jedi Masters such as Yoda, an example of one of his Parable type things would be "Do or do not, there is no try".
Jediism has no founder or central church, it is mainly just Star Wars Fanatics who have found great Philosophical and Spiritual Wisdom from watching the Star Wars movies.
Jediism is not just a Fan club, they claim that they are actually a distinct group from the fan base of the movies, they do not focus on the Star Wars Myths, but instead use the teachings in their regular lives by using what they call "the 16 Teachings" and "the 21 Maxims".
Jediism was first recognized after various people wrote in "Jedi" as their religion for a National Census which caused what is now called the "Jedi Census Phenomenon".
Jediism has no founder or central church, it is mainly just Star Wars Fanatics who have found great Philosophical and Spiritual Wisdom from watching the Star Wars movies.
Jediism is not just a Fan club, they claim that they are actually a distinct group from the fan base of the movies, they do not focus on the Star Wars Myths, but instead use the teachings in their regular lives by using what they call "the 16 Teachings" and "the 21 Maxims".
Jediism was first recognized after various people wrote in "Jedi" as their religion for a National Census which caused what is now called the "Jedi Census Phenomenon".
Finshaggy
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The Hare Kirshna Movement came to America in 1966 when A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada founded the International Society for Krishna Consciousness or ISKCON. Instead of following the Rig Veda like a Traditional Temple, they follow a book called the Bhagavad-gītā. Many people mistake the Hare Krishna Movement for a complete example of Hinduism but it only offers a look into the worship of the God Kirshna. The Rig Veda is focused on Gods like Indra, Rudra and Shiva.
The Movement actually comes from the Gaudiya Vaishnavism tradition which started in the 15th century in India, which explains why older texts are disregarded. It is dedicated to the worship of Krishna, which is one of thousands of Hindu Gods.
This is their Mantra
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
They are one of the largest Hindu groups in America and they do a lot of teaching and organizing. Here is their website.
http://iskcon.org/
The Movement actually comes from the Gaudiya Vaishnavism tradition which started in the 15th century in India, which explains why older texts are disregarded. It is dedicated to the worship of Krishna, which is one of thousands of Hindu Gods.
This is their Mantra
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
They are one of the largest Hindu groups in America and they do a lot of teaching and organizing. Here is their website.
http://iskcon.org/
Finshaggy
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If you want to become a Registered Minister, you can become a Legally Registered minister online in just a few seconds. Here are some sites that do this.
http://www.ulchq.com/
http://themonastery.org/
http://www.ulc.org/
http://www.ulc.net/
The Universal Life Church was started before the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which provides protection to religions. There were a lot of cases with Native Americans, and Psychedelic Churches from the 60s, and a few people sacrificing animals and stuff. The RRFA protects Religious practices.
The ULC was started by someone who could not read, so when someone would come to him and say "This book says God says" he was like "I can't read". So he started his own religion that accepts everyone and every God. This is a real protected religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church
Once you are a registered minister, you are allowed to practice religious ceremonies freely and start a ministry. You can also marry people in your state (even Gay people if it is legal in your state), and I am pretty sure other states as well, but laws vary state to state.
With Christianity or Islam you would have to go through years of schooling to get legally registered like this, but the Philosophy of the ULC is that Christians say "God ordained Humans over the animals" so every human is ordained. They just have to register to be in the ULC for it to be recognized.
I have been a Minister with the Universal Life Church for 5 years now, and I have been doing various religious studies on various religions. Here is my Certification that shows I am a Minister, just so you have an example.
http://www.ulchq.com/
http://themonastery.org/
http://www.ulc.org/
http://www.ulc.net/
The Universal Life Church was started before the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which provides protection to religions. There were a lot of cases with Native Americans, and Psychedelic Churches from the 60s, and a few people sacrificing animals and stuff. The RRFA protects Religious practices.
The ULC was started by someone who could not read, so when someone would come to him and say "This book says God says" he was like "I can't read". So he started his own religion that accepts everyone and every God. This is a real protected religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church
Once you are a registered minister, you are allowed to practice religious ceremonies freely and start a ministry. You can also marry people in your state (even Gay people if it is legal in your state), and I am pretty sure other states as well, but laws vary state to state.
With Christianity or Islam you would have to go through years of schooling to get legally registered like this, but the Philosophy of the ULC is that Christians say "God ordained Humans over the animals" so every human is ordained. They just have to register to be in the ULC for it to be recognized.
I have been a Minister with the Universal Life Church for 5 years now, and I have been doing various religious studies on various religions. Here is my Certification that shows I am a Minister, just so you have an example.
The Outdoorsman
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Fin do you do exorcisms? I have a throbbing angry demon that needs to be released! Like right fucking now!If you want to become a Registered Minister, you can become a Legally Registered minister online in just a few seconds. Here are some sites that do this.
http://www.ulchq.com/
http://themonastery.org/
http://www.ulc.org/
http://www.ulc.net/
The Universal Life Church was started before the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which provides protection to religions. There were a lot of cases with Native Americans, and Psychedelic Churches from the 60s, and a few people sacrificing animals and stuff. The RRFA protects Religious practices.
The ULC was started by someone who could not read, so when someone would come to him and say "This book says God says" he was like "I can't read". So he started his own religion that accepts everyone and every God. This is a real protected religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church
Once you are a registered minister, you are allowed to practice religious ceremonies freely and start a ministry. You can also marry people in your state (even Gay people if it is legal in your state), and I am pretty sure other states as well, but laws vary state to state.
With Christianity or Islam you would have to go through years of schooling to get legally registered like this, but the Philosophy of the ULC is that Christians say "God ordained Humans over the animals" so every human is ordained. They just have to register to be in the ULC for it to be recognized.
I have been a Minister with the Universal Life Church for 5 years now, and I have been doing various religious studies on various religions. Here is my Certification that shows I am a Minister, just so you have an example.
you need to be doing the MILD and dream journal techniques etc etc every day to start to get results finny
you look back at your journal and recall the dreams you had weeks ago ...... i can remember dreams when i was 3
these tecniquis just strengthen your memory recall and push the importance of dreams to the forfront of your memory.........hense youll have more dreams and more chance to go lucid
a dream is just a memory of digital photon light energy ...... which you can collaspe at will (google 'the double slit experiment').......but only when your a lucid observer.
ps....dont forget to remember last nights dream ,it never happened if you do
Finshaggy
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I don't "need" to be doing anything. I am not trying to Lucid Dream, I am doing tests with Herbs. I will do Rituals soon.you need to be doing the MILD and dream journal techniques etc etc every day to start to get results finny
you look back at your journal and recall the dreams you had weeks ago ...... i can remember dreams when i was 3
these tecniquis just strengthen your memory recall and push the importance of dreams to the forfront of your memory.........hense youll have more dreams and more chance to go lucid
a dream is just a memory of digital photon light energy ...... which you can collaspe at will (google 'the double slit experiment').......but only when your a lucid observer.
ps....dont forget to remember last nights dream ,it never happened if you do
Unclebaldrick
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The only real movement Fin has participated in was on a toilet.
why the bad attitude young man?
im sorry u took "need" the wrong way .... in my person experience (20+) you dont "need" to do anything finny, i just highly recomend it
lose the teenage attitude young man.
6ohMax
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that dude in the pic actually lives in the Denver area....got banned off of bodybuilding.com misc forums..
Unclebaldrick
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I just googled Finshaggy. Funny what comes up.
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