My autos are 11 weeks in and no sign of flowering, ideas?

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Hello, first time here and new to growing, i have grown about 6 in the past but im having trouble now. I have 2 plants, they are Royal Dwarf variety as i dont have much space, they are lovely and green, really healthy looking although around week 8 i think i either over/under watered or gave too many nutrients and a number of bottom leaves went yellow and fell off but since i have turned them around and they are looking very healthy.

Well its week 11 and still no sign of flowering, i have them on 18/6 with a decent LED grow lamp that worked for my past plants, i use 4 panels, plenty strong light. I have read that some plants just don't become autos and you have to do 12/12 to do the normal flowering but i find that a bit weird since the last 2 seeds of the same batch autod really quick and well, these just don't. Could the hiccup with the leaves have pushed them back? Or should i swap to 12/12? Im just not sure, any help would be great.
 
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Hello, first time here and new to growing, i have grown about 6 in the past but im having trouble now. I have 2 plants, they are Royal Dwarf variety as i dont have much space, they are lovely and green, really healthy looking although around week 8 i think i either over/under watered or gave too many nutrients and a number of bottom leaves went yellow and fell off but since i have turned them around and they are looking very healthy.

Well its week 11 and still no sign of flowering, i have them on 18/6 with a decent LED grow lamp that worked for my past plants, i use 4 panels, plenty strong light. I have read that some plants just don't become autos and you have to do 12/12 to do the normal flowering but i find that a bit weird since the last 2 seeds of the same batch autod really quick and well, these just don't. Could the hiccup with the leaves have pushed them back? Or should i swap to 12/12? Im just not sure, any help would be great.
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They won’t start flowering until you turn the lights to a 12 by 12 hour cycle mate I’m on my 10th week flowering og kush they are usually finished in 8 weeks and I reckon they’re they have another 2 weeks to go every grow is different when they’re ready they’re ready that’s what makes every grow a buzz as you never know what to expect lol
 
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Jimbo the Gael said:
Got any pics?
They should have started flowering around the third week. 11 week veg, they must be huge.
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They arent that big, they are nice and bushy but i kept them small due to the small size i have to grow, they seem healthy enough, they look like the plants that were ready to harvest but minus the buds, here is a pic, not the greatest but it should show they are nice and green.

 
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They arent that big, they are nice and bushy but i kept them small due to the small size i have to grow, they seem healthy enough, they look like the plants that were ready to harvest but minus the buds, here is a pic, not the greatest but it should show they are nice and green.

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ETry a co2 bag for a couple of days have you been giving them enough nutes try jacking it up every few days don’t go by 1.9 on The EC wand they’re way to small did you over nap or top them ? Whilst younger? You’ve got me stumped lol I wish you well with it
 
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Yeah, they do look good. They don't look 11 weeks, but it looks like you topped or fimmed them?

You should try switching to 12/12, as @Bonos said. Some breeders don't do their due diligence, and rush out seeds that weren't properly bred. There are a lot of threads on here of guys whose autos are really photos. Some of them just need a trigger and can be switched back to 18/6, but the only way to find out is to wait until flowering has started and then switch back. If they keep flowering, they're autos, if the re-veg they're photos. I wouldn't risk it. Just switch to 12/12
 
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Try putting her/them on 12/12 if you want them to initiate flower. Some Autos has a lot of photo genes in them, at least that's my theory and what I've seen from my own experience. I've grown a lot of autos back in the day and I've had some Autos that didn't flower properly under 18/16. Same batch of seeds grew fine outdoors.

I bet it was way more prominent years back but I still see people coming back with the same issues I had back then, probably somewhere around 2005.
 
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Jimbo the Gael said:
Yeah, they do look good. They don't look 11 weeks, but it looks like you topped or fimmed them?

You should try switching to 12/12, as @Bonos said. Some breeders don't do their due diligence, and rush out seeds that weren't properly bred. There are a lot of threads on here of guys whose autos are really photos. Some of them just need a trigger and can be switched back to 18/6, but the only way to find out is to wait until flowering has started and then switch back. If they keep flowering, they're autos, if the re-veg they're photos. I wouldn't risk it. Just switch to 12/12
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Would 12/12 be a problem for yield though?I have search for a few days about the possibility of 12/12 but everything i find are threads by people wanting to grow autos in 12/12 from seed, its hard to find someone with autos that went through veg at 18/6 or 20/4 and THEN switched to 12/12, if its possible the yield will be diminished a lot i wonder if waiting a week or so just to make sure there is no flowering happening or is 11 weeks just plain too long and i need to get to 12/12 ASAP?
 
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Wastei said:
Try putting her/them on 12/12 if you want them to initiate flower. Some Autos has a lot of photo genes in them, at least that's my theory and what I've seen from my own experience. I've grown a lot of autos back in the day and I've had some Autos that didn't flower properly under 18/16. Same batch of seeds grew fine outdoors.

I bet it was way more prominent years back but I still see people coming back with the same issues I had back then, probably somewhere around 2005.
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The weird thing is it was a batch of 5 seeds i bought, the first 3 actually turned out to be TINY, as in they hit about 20cm tall and started budding, they were like miniature plants, it was bizarre but they gave a good amount of bud for their tiny size! Now these two are lovely and big and bushy but wont start.....
 
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Jimbo the Gael said:
Yeah, they do look good. They don't look 11 weeks, but it looks like you topped or fimmed them?

You should try switching to 12/12, as @Bonos said. Some breeders don't do their due diligence, and rush out seeds that weren't properly bred. There are a lot of threads on here of guys whose autos are really photos. Some of them just need a trigger and can be switched back to 18/6, but the only way to find out is to wait until flowering has started and then switch back. If they keep flowering, they're autos, if the re-veg they're photos. I wouldn't risk it. Just switch to 12/12
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I didnt follow any guide really but i grow a lot of plants so just did what i would normally do to encourage a wider bushier plant vs a taller lanky plant, i just cut the new stems past about 30cm early on and the main stock early on too, now im letting them stretch a bit more as i got a bit more room but im not scared to chop or even pop a few holes in the pot and use twine to tie the branches down, i dont want the plant touching the lights, i have about 10cm room before that happens but they are LED and really cool so they can get a bit closer but not much!
 
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12/12 for autos will probably yield less, but a plant that doesn't flower yields nothing at all.
If they were going to flower on their own, it should have happened by now. At 11 weeks you should be on here asking if they're ready yet.
You also need to remember that if they're photos they're going to stretch. If I were you I would flip to 12/12 and be ready to supercrop them if they get tall enough to touch the light, or do some bending and tying down now, then flip.
 
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Jimbo the Gael said:
1 weeks you should be on here asking if they're ready yet.
You also need to remember that if they're photos they're going to stretch. If I were you I would flip to 12/12 and be ready to supercr
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What is supercrop? I have never really heard that before, is that a specific kind of growing/cutting?
 
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What is supercrop? I have never really heard that before, is that a specific kind of growing/cutting?
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Supercropping is where you gently squeeze and roll the stem between your fingers (much like trying to get resin off your fingers) making it softer. Then you bend that sucker right over at 90 degrees. I do it ALL the time with my auto's because I'm usually to lazy to train them.
 
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You pinch and gently roll part of the main stem, or side branches that are too tall, and then bend it so it's horizontal/parallel to the ground. You can do it early on, but in threads where a guys plant is growing up into his lights it's usually recommended to bend it near to the top. I'm not good at explaining it, so I included links to a couple of threads to try to explain it. You can also start a new thread asking for someone to describe it better, or share some pics of it done right.

?? Supercrop help

New to this...So I pinched and bent everything down about 4 days ago and it looks great. But where I bent two of the stems its brown and looks like it is hanging by a thread, but still growing like it should, what should I do, or I guess will it be fine?
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Was supercropping done right?

This is my first time supercropping, I was wondering if I did it right
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Creature1969 said:
Supercropping is where you gently squeeze and roll the stem between your fingers (much like trying to get resin off your fingers) making it softer. Then you bend that sucker right over at 90 degrees. I do it ALL the time with my auto's because I'm usually to lazy to train them.
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Wait doesnt that just destroy the stem? I once had a stem kink and it died eventually, what does that accomplish exactly? Does the stem keep growing once its bent?
 
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There really should be a sticky with a supercropping tutorial here. It shouldn't kill the stem, it should form a knuckle as it heals, and the budsites above the bend should grow up towards the light while the stem/branch stays horizontal. The plant sometimes tries to straighten back out as it heals, in which case you have to tie it into it's new position.
I would recommend LST, tying the branches down, instead of supercropping. Especially since you're still in veg, but you should research it for later in case it's needed.
I don't have any pics, but if you use the search bar for supercrop, especially if you check the titles only box, or if you browse through threads about "plants too tall, help" you should find some better info.
 
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lol, I just did a google image search for supercropping and the 2nd row of results had a photo of an auto cheese I topped 3 yrs ago posted at another forum.
Anywho, here's a terrible shot of my current supercropped plant.
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