My first 3 chamber closet grow with Blueberry

TRICKKY said:

Cool, I posted the question on Vondank's thread (hope you dont mind) maybe well get an answer from him?

In the meantime I would just keep doing what you have been. I suppose thats all you can do

Is this plant from a regular or feminised seed?

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Thats generous of you I dont mind at all.
Thats what I thought, I can only wait for it to grow & see what affect it has.
The seeds were purchased as feminised from pukka seeds.

Ive transferred it to the 2nd chamber & its sitting on top of large empty pots & storage containers (its looking a little ghetto ) to get it as close as possible to the lights as possible. Its approx 2 feet away from the lights because these lights are so hot I cant touch them without getting burnt temp is at a steady 28C (thanks to the cold weather) & humidity at 30%.
Ill put up pics once Ive cleared away the clutter.

I've had that deformed leaf issue before... it's heat... makes them all messed up when they are nice and young.... they end up growing alright.... but they look all fubar'd

I think 28c is too high. 24c is where you wanna be, unless your adding CO2?

Just to be sure, what light are they under now? Can you post a pic of the chamber she is in now with the light set up as it is?

In your flowering cab do you have a cool tube? If you do I would put your plant under that now.
You wont get the heat build up your getting now and She will grow a little quicker.
Then when you want to use the flowering cab for flowering your clones, you can pop her back in the mother cab but put your light further away. You wont need it close cos you wont require such rapid growth from her.
You can have your light closer to the top of the cab resulting in a lower cab temp., and she will continue to grow and provide you with cloning stock nonetheless.

Anyway thats what I would do, the alternative is to work out how to get those temps down a bit, or, add some co2 in which case your plant will thrive at the current temp.

iloveit said:

The seeds were purchased as feminised from pukka seeds.

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Phew!

You wouldn't believe how many times Ive thought "Please god let her be a lady". Its been niggling away at me to suggest you throw a few more beans in just in case it's a male. I just didn't want to jinx you

Well I'm glad you've cleared that up for me! The first seeds I ever bought were Pukka Skunk I germed 10/10 no hermies. I still have their Armageddon strain going after 2 years (I paid £220 for 10 fems) and Its one of my favorites. So I wouldn't worry about your plant it will be a beautiful healthy Mum that will last you as long as you want her to.

TRICKKY said:

I think 28c is too high. 24c is where you wanna be, unless your adding CO2?

Just to be sure, what light are they under now? Can you post a pic of the chamber she is in now with the light set up as it is?

In your flowering cab do you have a cool tube? If you do I would put your plant under that now.
You wont get the heat build up your getting now and She will grow a little quicker.
Then when you want to use the flowering cab for flowering your clones, you can pop her back in the mother cab but put your light further away. You wont need it close cos you wont require such rapid growth from her.
You can have your light closer to the top of the cab resulting in a lower cab temp., and she will continue to grow and provide you with cloning stock nonetheless.

Anyway thats what I would do, the alternative is to work out how to get those temps down a bit, or, add some co2 in which case your plant will thrive at the current temp.

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My second chamber has one of these (see pic)

Description:
Miro Silver Reflector 98% reflection
-Fluorescent / Growlight
-2x55w
-60cm x 20cm x 5cm
-2200gr.
-min. distance 0,1m
-Class: 1 IP21.

I do have a cooltube in the flowering area (400W) which is connected to a the CO2 filter, I was planning displaying that part of the cabinet when the time came to flowering but I think now would be a better time as it will give a better perspective of how the unit works as a whole. (Pics comming up shortly). Placing the lady in the flower cab would be a bigger problem believe it or not the flowering chamber gets very hot much hotter than the 2nd chamber so Im currently searching for a second RVK fan to suck out all the hot air. And the currently installed fan will suck in cooler air from outside the main unit through the cooltube and back out (in other words on one end of the cool tube is the RVK fan & on the other is ducting outside of the cab) hope that makes sense... youll see what I mean when you see the pics.

TRICKKY said:

Phew!

You wouldn't believe how many times Ive thought "Please god let her be a lady". Its been niggling away at me to suggest you throw a few more beans in just in case it's a male. I just didn't want to jinx you

Well I'm glad you've cleared that up for me! The first seeds I ever bought were Pukka Skunk I germed 10/10 no hermies. I still have their Armageddon strain going after 2 years (I paid £220 for 10 fems) and Its one of my favorites. So I wouldn't worry about your plant it will be a beautiful healthy Mum that will last you as long as you want her to.

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Right from the beginning It did not make sense to me to purchase unknown gender seeds its so much more convenient to pay the extra money because you know what your getting & it saves time I paid a little over 100 for my 10 Blueberry seeds, I was considering purchasing more but then the last one sprouted (which is the one Im currently growing) I was over the moon. Theres no way you can jinx it your words have only been beneficial.
Ive been given some Sour diesel seeds which Im thinking of germinating now that the 1st chamber is free.

Hmmm, not sure what would cause the leaf deformity either. But as long as it remains a healthy color and grown in a manner to capture light i would not worry about it much to be honest. I dont see how it could or would create problems for the plants health.

Just got back from hanging out with some friends to find the temp at 18C & leaves drooping like never before, Ive closed the windows (because their was a sudden change in weather which was the cause of the low temp this is where the fresh air comes from) & decreased the RVK air intake fan speed & placed my panel heater right underneath the chamber with the doors open. Just to find out if the drooping is a result of low temp or lack of watering I placed my soil moisture meter in their which read as dry, then I realised I forgot to add water to my bucket where it sits for 24 hrs & evaporates the chlorine AArrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh! Not only that but this all took place during the night cycle in other words if the lights were on the outside temp would not make a big difference in the chamber, also even if I did remember to keep the water to sit out for 24hrs I would probably water in the mourning because Ive read on a thread to not water during the night cycle.
Never will I overlook these simple things again LESSON LEARNT!

QUICK QUESTION:

First of all here is the setup: At the moment I already have a RVK in line extractor fan (225m3) connected to my cabinet which is connected to a Primair speed controller.

Heres the problem: Even when the speed of the fan is set on low via the Primair speed controller the sound of the air wooshing through the fan keeps me up at night (I understand that decreasing the speed also creates electrical noises in the controller this is not the problem as it is packed away within the cabinet). And so Im considering purchasing a "S&P UPA Acoustic Cabinet Fans" the 34db to be precise. (http://www.somhydro.co.uk/product.asp?pid=857) but the question is would this specific fan still create the sound I dont want because of the way it extracts the air (due to the way the functioning differs from the rest of the RVK fans).

Unfortunately whilst the acoustic fan is considerably quieter than the one you have, the end product (noise of removed air) will be the same. Your best bet would be to buy a silencer, or, you could make a silencer yourself.

I have made some myself in the past. I make a cube out of 6 egg trays (The 24 egg, card type trays, your local butcher has loads of them). Pop of hole in one side of the cube for the end of the ducting to sit in. Then in the top cut out approx. 12 holes, about the size of a penny each hole. Then walla! You have a home made silencer

Or if your not a cheapskate/blue peter fan like me
You could get one of these fancy ones

http://www.growell.co.uk/p/0935/Silencers.html

iloveit said:

Just got back from hanging out with some friends to find the temp at 18C & leaves drooping like never before, Ive closed the windows (because their was a sudden change in weather which was the cause of the low temp this is where the fresh air comes from) & decreased the RVK air intake fan speed & placed my panel heater right underneath the chamber with the doors open. Just to find out if the drooping is a result of low temp or lack of watering I placed my soil moisture meter in their which read as dry, then I realised I forgot to add water to my bucket where it sits for 24 hrs & evaporates the chlorine AArrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh! Not only that but this all took place during the night cycle in other words if the lights were on the outside temp would not make a big difference in the chamber, also even if I did remember to keep the water to sit out for 24hrs I would probably water in the mourning because Ive read on a thread to not water during the night cycle.
Never will I overlook these simple things again LESSON LEARNT!

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Ooops!

There is a bright side tho, I bet those roots had a kick up the backside to go looking for fresh soil! So when you do water you should have more of a root system to feed your plant

Oh and believe it or not, the temp dropping to 18 was probably a saving grace. It would have slowed the plant down a bit. If your temps had been normal/high then your plant would have been growing at a faster pace meaning it would have required more water, which wasn't there. (It wouldn't have been pleased).

TRICKKY said:

Unfortunately whilst the acoustic fan is considerably quieter than the one you have, the end product (noise of removed air) will be the same. Your best bet would be to buy a silencer, or, you could make a silencer yourself.

I have made some myself in the past. I make a cube out of 6 egg trays (The 24 egg, card type trays, your local butcher has loads of them). Pop of hole in one side of the cube for the end of the ducting to sit in. Then in the top cut out approx. 12 holes, about the size of a penny each hole. Then walla! You have a home made silencer

Or if your not a cheapskate/blue peter fan like me
You could get one of these fancy ones

http://www.growell.co.uk/p/0935/Silencers.html

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Ahh "Blue Peter" those were the days (heres one I made ealier! remember that?).
I will definitely need another extractor fan soon (especially when the time comes to switch on the HPS) Ill have a few words with some hydro shops maybe they can give me a good price.
Ill consider that home made silencer guide Im gonna make a note of it. Cheers.

TRICKKY said:

Ooops!

There is a bright side tho, I bet those roots had a kick up the backside to go looking for fresh soil! So when you do water you should have more of a root system to feed your plant

Oh and believe it or not, the temp dropping to 18 was probably a saving grace. It would have slowed the plant down a bit. If your temps had been normal/high then your plant would have been growing at a faster pace meaning it would have required more water, which wasn't there. (It wouldn't have been pleased).

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I was assuming the same thing until this morning the leaves are back to normal & I didnt give it a drop of water even though the meter read dry (still waiting for the chlorine to evaporate from the water bucket) must have been due to the 18C temp another thing learnt (plant leaves droop even when cold not only when thirsty).
You made a very good point in the 2nd paragraph that didnt even cross my mind, my temp is currently at 27.7C (at the rim of the pot thats where my thermometer is sitting) my common sense tells me to maintain this temp to allow the plant to grow a little faster may need to increase the humidity which is between 30-35%.

Glad to hear she's perked up.

I wouldn't advise temps over 28 unless your gonna add co2 tho. How do you plan on increasing your humidity levels?

TRICKKY said:

Glad to hear she's perked up.

I wouldn't advise temps over 28 unless your gonna add co2 tho. How do you plan on increasing your humidity levels?

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Funny you should ask I was just searching for a small humidifier but I do not have enough space in the cabinet to store it & then I came across this:

http://www.petzoo.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=299

Ooooh! I like

*DAY 25*

After last nights incident (low temp situation) the plants were back to normal in the morning nice & green with a sweet deep scent. But I think it may be feeding time in an hour or 2 (just waiting until 1am when itll be a full 24hrs since I left the water out) speaking of feeding when will it be advisable to use begin adding formulex or Grow (both by Growth technology)?
As usual the lower leaves look like they are dying but Trickky did find a post orignaly created by Dr VonDankenstinewhich stated its only natural for the lower leaves in certain strains to show defects & die so Im not too concerned about that...yet .

Now for some pics the first set show the plant in its current state including a few closeups of the deformed leaves I mentioned some posts back.

The 2nd set are pics of the 2nd chamber where the plant is currently sitting ...yes I know it looks silly that I have it sitting on empty containers next to all that clutter like a ghetto grow just so it can be close to the lights but it is only temporary.

The 3rd set are pics of the flowering chamber (3rd chamber) now a little info on the electrics:

The brains the "Transformer" (which gets very hot & is cooled by what looks like a little mingy PC fan) with 2 x analogue Grasslin timers (1 for the HPS & the other for fluros in the 1st & 2nd chamber.
RVK extractor fan 225m3 (which is not good enough due to the setup) which is connected to...
400W HPS in cooltube which is connected to...
CO2 filter.

And yep thats my waterfarm (upside down) & 4 pot wilma system in the pics.

Sorry about the clutter in the chambers Im clearing it all up soon.

Wow!

Hang on a minute I don't know what else to say?

Ok I've had a breather, first things first, nutes. The colour and stature of the plant still does not indicate any need for additional nutrients than what is already in the soil. I'm probably gonna sound like a broken record here but wait until you start to see some roots at the bottom of the pot. Or if sooner, when she becomes a paler green. She wont become deficient over night so you will not do any harm in waiting . If you want a rough guess I'd say a week or two. Just water ph'd to between 6.2 and 6.8 for now.

Secondly I have a question or two for you.
In the pic of your cool tube I see the fan at the top and presume that it exits out of the cab there. I can see it connected to the cool tube then to the filer. So how is it drawing hot air from the other compartment?
Is there a hole connecting the two?
I'm only asking cos if I'm wondering if the air from your mother compartment is going to be cool enough to cool that cool tube?
Or did you say you were going to run air through the cool tube from outside of the cab?

Im confused!
Probably about time for a nice cup of tea

TRICKKY said:

Wow!

Hang on a minute I don't know what else to say?

Ok I've had a breather, first things first, nutes. The colour and stature of the plant still does not indicate any need for additional nutrients than what is already in the soil. I'm probably gonna sound like a broken record here but wait until you start to see some roots at the bottom of the pot. Or if sooner, when she becomes a paler green. She wont become deficient over night so you will not do any harm in waiting . If you want a rough guess I'd say a week or two. Just water ph'd to between 6.2 and 6.8 for now.

Secondly I have a question or two for you.
In the pic of your cool tube I see the fan at the top and presume that it exits out of the cab there. I can see it connected to the cool tube then to the filer. So how is it drawing hot air from the other compartment?
Is there a hole connecting the two?
I'm only asking cos if I'm wondering if the air from your mother compartment is going to be cool enough to cool that cool tube?
Or did you say you were going to run air through the cool tube from outside of the cab?

Im confused!
Probably about time for a nice cup of tea

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Good question & yep you guessed right about the cooltube

When I first switched on the unit & measured the temps in all partitions after an hours duration I found out the temps from all compartments add up & is most noticeable in the flowering compartment & so Ill be purchasing an additional extractor fan to suck the hot air out of the cooltube, Im still deciding which fan to use for the cooltube & the CO2 filter. And yes all compartments have 2 holes each Ill post pics when its all put together Im not sure when that will be though .
Thanks for the nute guide I didnt know I had to look out for the colour difference.

Ok, so now Im slightly less confused

Personally I would get an RVK fan, like the one you have and use it to pull the air from the other rooms.
And keep the fan currently on the cooltube where it is.

As for the nute guide no worries.