My first 3 chamber closet grow with Blueberry

iloveit

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As an afterthought, you could post a few pics on Von Danks thread. He sure knows his stuff and might have some advice for you.
Ive been given a set of instructions which will help him diagnose the problem in the mean time Ive been researching Mag deficiencies (as you told me a few times it could be a case of a mg deficiency) deficiencies & I reckon thats my problem, now many people have recommended "Epsom salt" I just need confirmation that Im about to purchase the right stuff so would you be so kind to take a peek at this ebay item:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/250g-Pure-Epsom-Salts-Bath-salt-Magnesium-sulfate_W0QQitemZ200262656852QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HeathBeauty_BathShowCons_RL?hash=item200262656852&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1298|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318

Is this what I need assuming the above is true?
 

TRICKKY

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Thats the stuff. Just plain old Magnesium Sulphate. I'm sure when you start feeding her up shell respond well. Have you tested your run off yet?

As for nutes "Ionic for soil" is fine. But I like to use Bio Grow/Bio Bloom/Top Max, All from Bio Bizz and all organic.

They are not the best but they are affordable and more importantly easy to use. I am yet to find a strain that I can't grow with Bio Bizz.

I should be a salesman ;-)
 

iloveit

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Thats the stuff. Just plain old Magnesium Sulphate. I'm sure when you start feeding her up shell respond well. Have you tested your run off yet?

As for nutes "Ionic for soil" is fine. But I like to use Bio Grow/Bio Bloom/Top Max, All from Bio Bizz and all organic.

They are not the best but they are affordable and more importantly easy to use. I am yet to find a strain that I can't grow with Bio Bizz.

I should be a salesman ;-)

Im going to check the run off, water & transplant all on the same day which will be tomorrow(& the soil is still quite moist). Ive seen it done on youtube, I just PH the chlorine evaporated water then add it to the soil until I have enough run out water through the drainage holes to measure with the PH pen...right? :-|

Ok you sold it to me, after these Ionic nutes Im going to give BioBizz a try.

I finished mounting the new Ruck fan yesterday but Ive still got to link the HPS ducting to the outer vent, you'll see what I mean when I post pics.

Thanks for the Magnesium confirmation, another question before I leave: Do you know of any add on device/accessory which will stop the electric buzzing of the new Ruck fan?
See its connected to the "Primair" speed controller & if its set on any speed but high it makes a loud buzzing sound (not the swooshing sound of the air passing but an elecrical buzzing sound from the fans internal circuitry). I knew this was going to be an issue but I didnt know it was going to be this loud,it kept me up last night.
 

jordisgarden

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thats the balls man. how much does something like that cost and whats the benefits. is it dual chamber for vegging and flowering.
 

iloveit

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thats the balls man. how much does something like that cost and whats the benefits. is it dual chamber for vegging and flowering.

Knowing what I know now I would not recommend it at all.

1500 GBP & 3 partitions, 1 for clones, 1 for mother plant & 1 for flowering.
 

TRICKKY

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Im going to check the run off, water & transplant all on the same day which will be tomorrow(& the soil is still quite moist). Ive seen it done on youtube, I just PH the chlorine evaporated water then add it to the soil until I have enough run out water through the drainage holes to measure with the PH pen...right? :-|
Yes thats spot on.

If you ph your water, then test what comes out the bottom you will get a good indication of what the ph of your soil is. You will then know if you have a ph related problem. I think it's best to ph your water to 7 for a run off test, as a nuetral ph to start will give a more accurate measurement of the soil ph.

You could also teat the EC at the same time and will know if you have a nutrient build up in your soil. (I don't think you have tho).

As for the Bio Bizz you won't regret it, its easy to use so great for starting out with. If in future you decide you want a bigger yield then you would have more experience, and would find the more expensive nutes easier to use.

As for the buzzing, I've got the same problem myself at the moment. I'm not sure what to do, but I think Im probably gonna make a soundproof shell for my fan (egg boxes).
 

iloveit

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Yes thats spot on.

If you ph your water, then test what comes out the bottom you will get a good indication of what the ph of your soil is. You will then know if you have a ph related problem. I think it's best to ph your water to 7 for a run off test, as a nuetral ph to start will give a more accurate measurement of the soil ph.

You could also teat the EC at the same time and will know if you have a nutrient build up in your soil. (I don't think you have tho).

As for the Bio Bizz you won't regret it, its easy to use so great for starting out with. If in future you decide you want a bigger yield then you would have more experience, and would find the more expensive nutes easier to use.

As for the buzzing, I've got the same problem myself at the moment. I'm not sure what to do, but I think Im probably gonna make a soundproof shell for my fan (egg boxes).
Ill check the ph, ec & PPM with my digital pens & with my bluelabs truncheon just so I know if their is a difference in the readings but would it be wise to transplant first then check the run off or should I do it the other way round?

Ill order the BioBizz nutes next week is there a starter pack youd recommend?

Im gonna try my best to find a solution for the buzzing sound if/when I do Ill post it here or paste a link.
 

TRICKKY

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would it be wise to transplant first then check the run off or should I do it the other way round?

Ill order the BioBizz nutes next week is there a starter pack youd recommend?
If you want to know whats wrong now then do your test now, if you transplant then the nutes in the fresh soil will affect your measurements and you won't get such an accurate diagnosis of you current problem.

To be honest I would just transplant asap and give her a light feed, I would be confident that she is nute deficient, and confident that this is the right remedy. But I'm getting lazy in my old age and did most of my learning years ago. The dilema for me is that on the one hand I think you will benefit from flushing and testing as you will learn from it, on the other hand I keep looking at Her and thinking transplant and Feed quick. So the choice is yours :?

Bio Grow, Bio Bloom and Top Max is all you need for a successful grow. I've just weighed a LR2 grown with these 3 feeds under 600w with no CO2 and it's just short of 2 oz, I think that's a great result considering I paid just £30 for the 3 bottles.

They have other products but they will not be necessary until you have more experience.
 

wohthere

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Ive noticed that only the fan leaves are affected even the new ones which are growing at the very top.
mine is settling out, i think it was getting too hot. the new leaves looked pale but werent burnt. i have lost a lot of fan leaves on two of the plants though, the new fan leaves dont seem affected yet.

i have topped them and giving them two weeks to settle and bush out before i put into flowering.

temps are much lower and i leave the water to sit for as long as i can usually about two days.

its definitely a hard one to pinpoint im blaming a lot of small issues...
 

iloveit

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mine is settling out, i think it was getting too hot. the new leaves looked pale but werent burnt. i have lost a lot of fan leaves on two of the plants though, the new fan leaves dont seem affected yet.

i have topped them and giving them two weeks to settle and bush out before i put into flowering.

temps are much lower and i leave the water to sit for as long as i can usually about two days.

its definitely a hard one to pinpoint im blaming a lot of small issues...
Do the fan leaves grow back in place of the dead ones?
 

iloveit

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If you want to know whats wrong now then do your test now, if you transplant then the nutes in the fresh soil will affect your measurements and you won't get such an accurate diagnosis of you current problem.

To be honest I would just transplant asap and give her a light feed, I would be confident that she is nute deficient, and confident that this is the right remedy. But I'm getting lazy in my old age and did most of my learning years ago. The dilema for me is that on the one hand I think you will benefit from flushing and testing as you will learn from it, on the other hand I keep looking at Her and thinking transplant and Feed quick. So the choice is yours :?

Bio Grow, Bio Bloom and Top Max is all you need for a successful grow. I've just weighed a LR2 grown with these 3 feeds under 600w with no CO2 and it's just short of 2 oz, I think that's a great result considering I paid just £30 for the 3 bottles.

They have other products but they will not be necessary until you have more experience.
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE POSTED TO "DOC VON" BUT ID LIKE YOUR INPUT ALSO.

Just finished, these are the results. Thought Id let you know that the water I used in the soil was left out to sit for a full 24hrs & I PHed it at 6.5: (Im not sure how the calculations work so Ill give you all of the information).

1) PH of tap water: 7.2

2) PH of tap water after leaving to sit for a full 24hrs: 7.7 (0.2MS & 100PPM).

3) PH of Run off: 5.6 (1.3MS & 900PPM).



Id like to add that at this point I have not transplanted yet.
 

wohthere

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no they wont grow back...but new ones will continue forming...

do you think its due to a massive ph swing? all your readings are too high or too low. i think constant would be better. my ph in pot and tap water is roughly the same at 6.8ish.

i trimmed off the dead and dying fan leaves. the new growth coming through is really healthy. im dead proud now! this site is great!
 

iloveit

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no they wont grow back...but new ones will continue forming...

do you think its due to a massive ph swing? all your readings are too high or too low. i think constant would be better. my ph in pot and tap water is roughly the same at 6.8ish.

i trimmed off the dead and dying fan leaves. the new growth coming through is really healthy. im dead proud now! this site is great!
Im happy to hear that, can you tell me exactly what you did different to better your plant overall?
 

wohthere

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less heat, nutrients and watching the ph, they look so much better. needing plenty of water though as its still a bit too warm.
 

iloveit

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My first major challenge with her is magnesium deficiency which was first diagnosed by Trickky, with a little research I found out he was right I even posted pics on Dr VonDankenstines thread "Ask Dr. VonDankenstine" but no reply yet, Im going to add Epsom salt next watering hopefully thisll do her some good fingers crossed.
In case anyone else has any opinions or advise Id like to hear it.

Pics of the problem signs below...
 

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iloveit

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She has been growing quite a bit through the the past 2 weeks & Ive decided to clone for the 1st time, Im just unsure where on the branch to clone so Ive posted a pic of 1 of the potential clones can somebody tell me where approximately I should make the cut (3 inches down from the top leaves of the branch?)
Im thinking If I cut half way on the branch then what about the other side leaves & what will happen to the remaining half branch attached to the stem?

As you can tell Ive never done this before, Ive read tutorials & viewed some videos on youtube but they do not state where exactly to make the cut or which branches make better clones.
 

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