My first class with the golden teacher

RetiredMatthebrute said:

heres some pics,,,,cased 3 mor epans today with straw, have 3 jars left. doing my grain to grain tomorow and casing the last 2 jars in a tote.

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boiled my corn today and going to let it dry over night, used the straw steep as suggested to boil the corn in so will see how it goes. i think i can see small pinning going on but no pin heads yet, just so upwards growth of mycelium if what it looks like. hopefully by tomorow i have some noticable pins.

will be doing 8 more jars tomorow.

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see you already picked up on what G2G is and plan on doing it. wasnt popcorn the better choice?

polyarcturus said:

pick the aborts they are always the strongest. i keep a little small bag for collecting aborts. eat 2g of them and whooh.

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wkat is a abort?

The little bitty mushrooms that don't break their veil.

Mookjong said:

The little bitty mushrooms that don't break their veil.

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i kinda think that confusing wording, becuse an abort Never breaks its veil.

its a mushroom that aborts the fruiting process and never breaks veil or generates spores. tend to turn a pale white and stop growing shortly after they abort.(abortions are often caused by other fruiting bodies sucking their moisture away, and they tend to be re-consumed by the mycelium fairly quickly, so you only get a day or 2 to gather them in the case of small ones.)

polyarcturus said:

i jinda think that confusing wording, becuse and abort Never breaks its veil.

its a mushroom that aborts the fruiting process and never breaks veil or generates spores. tend to turn a pale white and stop growing shortly after they abort.(abortions are often caused by other fruiting bodies sucking their moisture away, and they tend to be re-consumed by the mycelium fairly quickly, so you only get a day or 2 to gather them in the case of small ones.)

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Oh really! That's classic! Almost sig worthy!

thats funny as hell lol

After my first tray harvest I pulled about 7 grams of little bitty aborts off, god did I trip balls off those! That was one of my 2 break through tripping nights I've had. Seriously felt like I was floating above myself watching what was goinging on. Puked shortly after about 5 hours in, learned alot that night..............................

ill bring the can today and possibly the camcorder and get some pics of my process. im going to cut out the glove box and do a open air g2g using a piece of plastic and a couple other things to build a small crawl in box.

So I got other nice growth in my two new jars from the last run, so that puts me up with 5 jars haha

Last run I used 5 jars they were steamed at the same time, same substrate etc. exactly everything was the same beside the spores. My conclusion is that it had to be the syringe, out of 5 jars 2 went bad, the 2 that got knocked up with the syringe that got my other jars contam. from the last batch, every other jar that got knocked up with a different syringe is fine, and still got 2 jars that are not showing anything, no visible contam. nor the smell. or any mycelium growth.

Sounds good you got some more going man, and seems like a reasonable conclusion about the syringe.

If it is a syringe either you will get nothing in any jars or you will get contamination in every jar you innoculate with that syringe. You would be surprised at how many syringes are contaminated.

canndo said:

If it is a syringe either you will get nothing in any jars or you will get contamination in every jar you innoculate with that syringe. You would be surprised at how many syringes are contaminated.

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That's what exactly what I was saying, I got contam. in every jar that got knocked up with that syringe. All jars that got knocked up with a different syringe are fine.
I did two runs with 2 syringes. Syringe A knocked 5 jars all 5 are fine. syringe B knocked 5 jars and all 5 jars got contam.

I was just saying that on my last run I steamed 5 jars. 3 jars got knocked up with syringe A and 2 got knocked up with syringe B. Jars with spores from syringe A are fine and I have growth after 4 days. The 2 jars that got knocked up with syringe B are bad like the last run I did with syringe B. So it had to be the syringe, because all the jars that got spores from syringe A are fine, all jars from syringe B went to garbage.

whew...well cased my last 2 jars today, did my G2G in open air...has been a busy day, PCing takes alot of time!!

should be fruiting my first straw casing i did 3 days ago by sunday...the mycelium is growing verry rapidly through the straw!!

heres some pics!!




i just lysoled the shit out of the shower and worked in there with a rain poncho and some gloves on...wanted to do a more sterile job but going to see how this goes. worst case scenario..i have to use the remainder of my other syringe and start fresh. got 11 1/2 jars of popcorn now in the incubator...if all goes well i shouldnt get any jars with no life...maybe contams but definatly no nothing jars this time..

next time im going to make a mycelium solution to use to knock up the jars with a syringe so i dont have to open the tops of the jars.

aCiDjEsUs said:

That's what exactly what I was saying, I got contam. in every jar that got knocked up with that syringe. All jars that got knocked up with a different syringe are fine.
I did two runs with 2 syringes. Syringe A knocked 5 jars all 5 are fine. syringe B knocked 5 jars and all 5 jars got contam.

I was just saying that on my last run I steamed 5 jars. 3 jars got knocked up with syringe A and 2 got knocked up with syringe B. Jars with spores from syringe A are fine and I have growth after 4 days. The 2 jars that got knocked up with syringe B are bad like the last run I did with syringe B. So it had to be the syringe, because all the jars that got spores from syringe A are fine, all jars from syringe B went to garbage.

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As I have said previously somewhere - any spore supplier in the U.S. has a problem, he is not breaking any laws by having or producing spore syringes but someone actually has to grow the fruit in order to obtain the spores and THAT is fully illegal in every state. I don't know where they get their spores, there may well be some sort of a central bank offshore and the different vendors may be getting their spores from the same source.

I do know that I have encountered a number of syringes contaminated with Trich, but most contaminated with some sort of bacteria. This holds true also for the legal mushrooms - then again they could be growing those on the premsisis.

A part of mycology is simple detective work or standard troubleshooting, isolating one step from the next, making only one change at a time - that sort of thing. I long ago took to going directly to agar and that makes things much easier and also doesnt' waste my time with actually inoculating a dozen bags or two dozen jars that I spent two days creating only to have the problem be my syringe. agar will tell you within three days if your syringe is contaminated.

Looks great man, this is the first time I've seen the spawning strait to straw like that looks like its going well.

RetiredMatthebrute said:

whew...well cased my last 2 jars today, did my G2G in open air...has been a busy day, PCing takes alot of time!!

should be fruiting my first straw casing i did 3 days ago by sunday...the mycelium is growing verry rapidly through the straw!!

heres some pics!!

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i just lysoled the shit out of the shower and worked in there with a rain poncho and some gloves on...wanted to do a more sterile job but going to see how this goes. worst case scenario..i have to use the remainder of my other syringe and start fresh. got 11 1/2 jars of popcorn now in the incubator...if all goes well i shouldnt get any jars with no life...maybe contams but definatly no nothing jars this time..

next time im going to make a mycelium solution to use to knock up the jars with a syringe so i dont have to open the tops of the jars.

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your straw isn't done yet - let it go and be sure that you have something on top of the straw, like a black bag with a few holes in it or your straw will get dry spots. Those dry spots should never be cased over nor should any straw that is not fully engulfed in mycelium. That is where people get into problems when they work with cased straw, they either ignore those spots that are now contaminated or they have areas that are not quite ready yet. Both have already gotten bad spores on them, the moment you put your casing on top, the bad spores will begin to germinate and you will have hidden places where contamination has gained a foothold and you can't see it. You may see that border between your substrate and your casing invaded with green. What happens is that you see a tiny patch of green on the top of your casing and figure you can control it by spooning it out and treating the area with salt - but when you scoop, you find that you have hit a "vein" of green and you are done.


Also, next time, shred that straw man! your mycelium will have much less trouble jumping from one filiment of straw to the next when they are packed tight and the smaller your shred the tighter you can pack your straw - also, whole sticks of straw still have that waxy covering and that covering will inhibit proper moisture content.

I did cut up the straw in pic one and the rest, just got lazy with that last pne...my thumb hurts so bad from cutting straw with crappy scissors i couldnt do anymore lol....

i thought that once the mycelium has completely clonized the straw i could just set it out to fruit as is???

so i still need to cover the mycelium with something? wil vermiculite work if i do?

RetiredMatthebrute said:

I did cut up the straw in pic one and the rest, just got lazy with that last pne...my thumb hurts so bad from cutting straw with crappy scissors i couldnt do anymore lol....

i thought that once the mycelium has completely clonized the straw i could just set it out to fruit as is???

so i still need to cover the mycelium with something? wil vermiculite work if i do?

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LOL!! That's funny as fuck

yeah i definatly need to invest in some decent scissors or something, dont mind cutting it up but all i had was a small pair of family dollar scissors lol.

RetiredMatthebrute said:

yeah i definatly need to invest in some decent scissors or something, dont mind cutting it up but all i had was a small pair of family dollar scissors lol.

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the scissors dont make a difference sharp cheap or good. they suck for when its big clumps. use something like hedge shears in a bucket, something you can grab with 2 hands and go at it with. thats what im about to invest in some good hedge shears.

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