My first grow! Updated daily. 400 watt Ebb and Flow - White Berry

I just ran the #'s on the FF Grow Big I have on the Cannastats nutient profile tools and came up with the following at 15ml/g (3 times current strength):

N - 228
P - 66
K - 126
Mg - 23

Targets for this stage are:
N - 200-250
P - 60-80
K - 150-200
Mg - 50-60

Details on this calculator can be found here: http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/ -- PH is the guy who runs this site. He is Lucas' ( of the famed "Lucas Formula") mentor. There is a TON of useful info there.

Anyway back on point. As Ripz pointed out to me a few posts ago I will see a MG deff first according to my nute profile. I have only given 5ml/gal to this point and the profile above is 3 times that. I will likely go with a 10ml/gal dose next time + epsom for a MG boost. Then bump up to the full enchilada after that. The Bottle instuctions are for 15ml/gal on every 3rd feeding. That sounds about right to me.

wow thats a great sight man. thanks

Sup, doog. My bad. Haven't checked in for quite some time. I would go straight to the whole enchilada ASAP on those ladies. They look really hungry. Worst case scenario is you overdo it and the leaves that are already phucked up will get more phucked up. They will die either way. So my two cents is go for the 15ml and keep an eye on those lower leaves. If you start to see reddish brown shiny spots then just flush it with plain water. -/\/\ared

Hi Mared! Good to see you. Thanks for the advice. I may just do that. I watered yesterday but if they look bad when the lights come on they are getting fed.

Lights on in about an hour.

80F 46% RH
Light 10-12" from tops
Fed today 15ml/gal + 5ml/gal Epsom = 1650PPM @ .5

Fed with real hot nute solution today. They were hungry so cross your fingers .
I had to return another F'n fan today That one lasted less than a week. I got a regular box fan that should last this time. It is a bit big for the space but it is so close to the edge that it does not move too much air.

I'm seeing good side growth on WB2 and DP. WB2 may wind up being my WB mom. She was slower to start but is bigger and healthier now. I moved a few leaves around to make sure the sides of the stems are getting direct light.

DP



WB1


WB2

80F 59% RH
No water today - Only 1 day since feed and soil is pretty dry 2 -3" down but I will wait until tomorrow to water. Will give feed with every watering from now until the plants tell me to stop or run-off gets to high PPM


Not a lot going on again today. Just waiting for side branching to fill in.

Happy Holiday Everyone!

Pics tomorrow!

80F 51%
Nute strength ~450PPM (daily use bottle strength)

Pots were very dry tonight so I gave them each about 100ml of water. I think I was letting them get to dry. I was too shy to water after the overwater incident and waited too long to give regular nutes. They were really hungry. I hit them hard 2 days ago (1650PPM @ .5 ) and the runoff tonight after giving regular strength was:

DP - 1100
WB1 - 850
WB2 - 795

So they took up a bunch of nutrients. .

There is a little sign of burn on the edges of the already damages leaves but I am not swetting that. I plan on chopping off those leaves soon anyway to make room for the new sidw growth. While I was handeling the girls watering I adjusted the LST on them pulling it over a little more to guarantee good light.

WB2's side growth looks good. I hope the other 2 catch up. DP's side growth has started but is slower and WB1 is still convinced it needs to grow only from the top Hopefully the new LST will change its mind. On the plus side if I FIMd the tops of her and went to flower I would have at least 8 stalks. To bad I won't have room to flower her once the floopd table is up.

Updated pics later today ... Promise.

DP



WB1



WB2

80F 40% RH
Fed again today. 10ml/gal ~ 850PPM

I made a change today that will hopefully keep the top few inches of my soil from drying out so quickly. I put a layer of Hygromite on the top of the pots and that seems to be helping already. Before, the top couple of inches of soil would be bone dry in hours (Low Humidity even with humidifier). Now I can see in the spaces between the rocks that the soil is holding water much better. I trimmed off more damaged grow today as well. They look happy at the moment. Hopefully they gove me some clonable growth in a couple of weeks. They should be old enough to start showing preflowers

Pics for the day

DP - Should have spun her around and took a shot up her skirt to see the new side growth. Not much yet but I will take what I can get.


WB1 - Hopefully she starts forcing branching.



WB2 - THe Belle of the Ball at the moment .

Day 31
79F 40% RH.

I turned up the humidifier again today. That box fan I installed really moves around the air and it keeps the RH lower than before. It is almost full blast. I have to fill it twice a day . Pain in the arse.

On the plus side, the top soil is holding a little moisture Side growth on WB2 is growing really well. The other 2 are growing but mostly still just the tops. Have a good one everybody!

Just comparing your pics from the 25th to today I can tell the improvement from the higher feed. They should be back to 100% in no time.

Thanks for the words of encouragement, Mared. I appreciate it. I was getting a little discouraged. I've lost too many lower leaves that would have made good clones later on .

They are still not showing any signs of preflower so I think I have about 2 weeks to get enough veg growth before it is time to clone and start up my dro table ( and a whole new set of issues ) It is not optimal, obviously, but I did not plan to force these into flower early anyway.

74-82F 30-55% RH
Plants are 4-6" tall
Light 10-12" from tops
Feed - ~800PPM GrowBig + .25tsp/gal Epsom

Run-off:

WB1 - 1120PPM
WB2 - 1220PPM
DP - 1450PPM - Too high

I flushed DP and then gave it the 800PPM solution.

PH run-off is about 6 - 6.2

All 3 girls are growing at the tops and have fully recovered from the LST. WB2 still has the best side growth but all 3 are growing daily now.

WB1



WB2



DP



Any and all comments are always welcome

79F 50% RH
Light - 16-18"
No water today. Probably tomorrow.

I moved the light up to promote some stretch in my WBs. They are putting on side growth now and are very tight spaced. Let them stretch about a week and I should have some clonable sprouts

Good growth each day now. I have turned the corner. I made several early mistakes that have cost me but everyone does . In retro I should have done more research on soil before I started. I put the cart before the horse by doing a ton of hydro research and little about soil. If I had a good mix I would not have to be feeding these girsls at all at this point. FFOF is good soil but I was watering enought that I had flushed the nutes from the 6" pots and did not replenish in time causing a deff that I took as overwatering.

I will probably be trasplanting to bigger pots soon. AS large as I can get and still fit in the Rubbermaid tub that will eventually my the MOM home.

I see the begingin of a MG deff on the DP. It is amazing how much MG these ladies take up! I'm surprised there is not more of it in commercial ferts.

Pics in awhile ....

im also using faox farms ocean forest, i just put 4 clones into it a few days ago and have only given them straight water, howd you like the soil? any suggestions or advice?

DP



WB1



WB2

BLUNTED4REAL said:

im also using faox farms ocean forest, i just put 4 clones into it a few days ago and have only given them straight water, howd you like the soil? any suggestions or advice?

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Hi Blunted. FFOF is good stuff. I made a couple of mistakes with it. Don't overwater. On the pther hand, make sure you don't have too much drainage. I would mix it with 20% chunky perlite, some dolimite lime, and pack it tight in the pots. IT should have enough nutes for the first several weeks of growth if you do not flush all of them out overwatering the plant.

thanks for the advice

doogleef said:

I will probably be trasplanting to bigger pots soon. AS large as I can get and still fit in the Rubbermaid tub that will eventually my the MOM home.

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Get some 2 or 3 gallon grow bags, they doubled the amount of plants I can fit in my closet and only cost about $3.50 for a bag of 10. I got a bunch of those trays for the domes and can fit 3 in each. So i can fit 6 plants under my 2ft flouro lights in my veggy closet and 9 in my flowering closet (400w hps)
My local hydro store will just give them to me if I ask lol

Temps - 74-83F
RH - 38-65%
Feed -760PPM
Light - 14-16"

Runoff #'s

DP - 1120
WB1 - 960
WB2 - 940

The last of the damaged leaves have been trimmed. Any leaves remaining that are discolored are regaining there pretty green color day by day.

The WB are pretty hungry. They are eating more than I am feeding at the moment as the runoff is going down with the same feed. Time to bump them up again ....

DP is not eating as much. Kind of a pain in the ass. Delicate little bitch. I don't want to mix special feed for her but I will if I must. Pics today are taken under white light for good color.