My first grow

Tatan

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Wait a minute....
As you know im on my first grow, so I dont know that much, but I dont really see how those bulges could possibly be pollen sacks...

I thought that to get pollen you need a male flower that looks like a ball... this ball stretches and then after maturing opens up and drops the pollen. I dont see a male flower in there to develop any pollen, and besides, if it did develop its too early for it to be filling up with pollen anyway... doesnt make sense to me.
 

Jerry Garcia

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I did find two male balls growing on the lower nodes as I mentioned before. Even though I removed those, more were going to grow from other nodes. Female bud growth had already begun at the nodes, so these little balls just grew in with it.

I found one ball on tall girl, so I'm concerned that may the same thing will happen to her. It's hard to tell, but there might be a few sacks in her buds as well. I'm gonna give her a few days, but she may be going to my friends house with wide girl...leaving only shorty! That fucking sucks!
 

Tatan

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I did find two male balls growing on the lower nodes as I mentioned before. Even though I removed those, more were going to grow from other nodes. Female bud growth had already begun at the nodes, so these little balls just grew in with it.

I found one ball on tall girl, so I'm concerned that may the same thing will happen to her. It's hard to tell, but there might be a few sacks in her buds as well. I'm gonna give her a few days, but she may be going to my friends house with wide girl...leaving only shorty! That fucking sucks!

I would just give it a couple days, that way you will see how those bulges develop.
 

fauxsho02

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Hey, your plants look a lot like mine except mine are about a week behind your last pics. Have you used any fertilizer on them yet? when and what kind?
 

Jerry Garcia

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Hey, your plants look a lot like mine except mine are about a week behind your last pics. Have you used any fertilizer on them yet? when and what kind?
I use Foxfarm Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom nutrients, molasses, Indonesian bat guano, and superthrive. I've been feeding with every other watering or so since week 3 or so of Veg.

What strain are you working with? How long you been going? Any pics?
 

mared juwan

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Wait a minute....
As you know im on my first grow, so I dont know that much, but I dont really see how those bulges could possibly be pollen sacks...

I thought that to get pollen you need a male flower that looks like a ball... this ball stretches and then after maturing opens up and drops the pollen. I dont see a male flower in there to develop any pollen, and besides, if it did develop its too early for it to be filling up with pollen anyway... doesnt make sense to me.
Well there is no way those are seeds and those are definitely not 100% female buds so that leaves only one possibility -> herm:-(. Also, in the case of hermies, pollen sacs devolop in little groups or clusters. Growers use the term "spitting banannas or nanners." As I said before this is quite common late in flower when the female is crying out for pollen. If you have ever seen one you would not mistake it. I wish I had pics of the ones I've had. Many times there will be a single bannana shaped sac but occasionally I have had clusters of sacs as well. So just trust me, those are pollen sacs 100% guaranteed.
 

Tatan

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Well there is no way those are seeds and those are definitely not 100% female buds so that leaves only one possibility -> herm:-(. Also, in the case of hermies, pollen sacs devolop in little groups or clusters. Growers use the term "spitting banannas or nanners." As I said before this is quite common late in flower when the female is crying out for pollen. If you have ever seen one you would not mistake it. I wish I had pics of the ones I've had. Many times there will be a single bannana shaped sac but occasionally I have had clusters of sacs as well. So just trust me, those are pollen sacs 100% guaranteed.

Yeah... I know exactly what you mean...
My bagseed plant that I just harvested had some weird stuff come out at the end. You just said bananas... and thast exactly what they looked like.. like a mini banana coming out, but that happened late in flowerring and they look very different fom jerrys pics
 

Jerry Garcia

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I've accepted my fate that its hermie and that it has to go. No pollen in this house.

My buddy said we can probably stick it in his closet with some cfls. At least I'll get to watch it grow to maturity still!

So it's gonna produce seeds--will they be of any use to me? Or will they likely turn out herm like momma? Just curious...I was told they will just produce a hermie plant when they grow up (which would make sense considering all this).

As far as bananas, I've heard of it before as well, and as you said it is a little early for that with me. It makes sense that they would be male pollen sacks within the buds, because the sacks grow from the nodes, just like the buds. The nodes are currently occupied by buds, but the balls just squeeze their way right on in...bastards. I've accepted it. It sucks.

But you grow and learn and grow some more!

Thanks for your help Mared and Tatan!
 

Tatan

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I dont know jerry, Ive read that this is the way to make feminized seeds and ive also read what you said that you get hermies out of the seeds, so dont know which is right.
 

mared juwan

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What I've heard is feminised seeds happen when you stress a 100% true female into becoming herm. You have to force it to happen by spraying a giberillic acid solution on it. If your plant hermies naturally then the seeds will probably do the same. Again, that is something I've heard and don't know for a fact. But it sounds like it makes sense.

Oh... and about the banannas. If you've had them before you know they don't turn that light brown color until they have fully pushed out of the plant. Before that they are little green nubs. So just imagine a bunch of those clustered together. That's what Jerry has. Maybe they're not pollen sacs just yet but they are developing into them.
 

Jerry Garcia

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I'm starting to be able to distinguish little sacks in tall girl's buds too. Sucks. She will be sequestered with wide girl to my buddy's house sometime today, where they can both pollinate each other until the freaking cows come home.

At least there's still shorty!
 

Jerry Garcia

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What I've heard is feminised seeds happen when you stress a 100% true female into becoming herm. You have to force it to happen by spraying a giberillic acid solution on it. If your plant hermies naturally then the seeds will probably do the same. Again, that is something I've heard and don't know for a fact. But it sounds like it makes sense.

Oh... and about the banannas. If you've had them before you know they don't turn that light brown color until they have fully pushed out of the plant. Before that they are little green nubs. So just imagine a bunch of those clustered together. That's what Jerry has. Maybe they're not pollen sacs just yet but they are developing into them.
Seeing as how I'm going to be keeping them anyway, could I try to pick out the little nubs with some tweezers? Or maybe wait until they develop into bananas and push out of the buds? If, theoretically, I could remove all pollen sacks could I keep it from pollinating itself, thereby maintaining sensimillia? There are only a couple barely visible sacks on tall girl, so it may be easier to keep her clean?

I'd like to experiment a little with them, and still get some bud! They're gonna have lots!
 

Tatan

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Seeing as how I'm going to be keeping them anyway, could I try to pick out the little nubs with some tweezers? Or maybe wait until they develop into bananas and push out of the buds? If, theoretically, I could remove all pollen sacks could I keep it from pollinating itself, thereby maintaining sensimillia? There are only a couple barely visible sacks on tall girl, so it may be easier to keep her clean?

I'd like to experiment a little with them, and still get some bud! They're gonna have lots!

Yeah Jerry, I think that would work, cause my bagseed plant had quite a few bananas come out, and I only pulled them out the day before I harvested... In one case I even saw the little banana open when i yanked it and a little cloud of pollen came out. The thing is that i removed them very late and the weed I harvested, doesnt have seeds, so I think you will be fine.

I never removed the bananas earlier cause i didnt know what they were. I expected male flowers to look like the little balls that you see when plants show sex. It took the pollen to come out and Mared talking about bananas for me to fully realize, cause thats exactly what they look like .. little bananas. Only thing I can think of is that the balls are male flowers, the little bananas are what male flowers look like when they grow in between female flowers maybe ?
 

Jerry Garcia

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Yeah Jerry, I think that would work, cause my bagseed plant had quite a few bananas come out, and I only pulled them out the day before I harvested... In one case I even saw the little banana open when i yanked it and a little cloud of pollen came out. The thing is that i removed them very late and the weed I harvested, doesnt have seeds, so I think you will be fine.

I never removed the bananas earlier cause i didnt know what they were. I expected male flowers to look like the little balls that you see when plants show sex. It took the pollen to come out and Mared talking about bananas for me to fully realize, cause thats exactly what they look like .. little bananas. Only thing I can think of is that the balls are male flowers, the little bananas are what male flowers look like when they grow in between female flowers maybe ?
So how long then does it take for the male pollen sacks on a hermie to open? Will these turn out to be naners? I'm gonna try to pluck them off as best I can, but they are pretty enveloped in the bud.
 

Tatan

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So how long then does it take for the male pollen sacks on a hermie to open? Will these turn out to be naners? I'm gonna try to pluck them off as best I can, but they are pretty enveloped in the bud.
Well, once you see the banana you still have at least a week, cause i had plenty of bananas and im smoking sinsemilla as we speak:weed:
 

Jerry Garcia

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Well, once you see the banana you still have at least a week, cause i had plenty of bananas and im smoking sinsemilla as we speak:weed:
Well I'll continue to chronicle their lives as they develop.

I wish the sensi i was smoking was my homegrown...soon enough:leaf:
 

Jerry Garcia

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Just wanted to throw a brief update out there. Temps have been quite cool over the last two days, allowing for favorable conditions in the grow rooms. This trend will shortly be ending, and with it my attempt to run the lights during the day. Growing at night will help immensely in my fight against high temps, so I'm switching the on-off time. I'm going out of town this evening, so the lights will go off at 6pm (par usual) and then stay off for 24 hours until 6pm Friday, when they will come back on and stay on until 6am.

The plants all look fine. The leaves atop tall girl have been drooping consistently--not sure if it's heat stress or what, but it's probably much warmer near the hps than it is where my thermometer sits. Oh well...thats why I'm switching the hours.

All plants were watered and fed today--3 tbsp big bloom, 1.5 tbsp tiger bloom, 2 tbsp indonesian high phosphorous bat guano and a healthy pour of molasses (I never measure this, I just pour until it seems "right"). I also used the filtered tap water this round instead of distilled (tap water has higher pH)--the tiger bloom apparently lowers pH, as they suggesting raising the pH to between 5.6 and 6.3, so using higher pH tap water should help that more than the distilled. Either way, I don't have an effective method of measuring pH. The strips I have tried on the runoff are pretty useless, so maybe I'll buy new ones and see if I can get results.

On the hermie front, the wide girl is prolifeating her pollen sacks. My buddy never came home yesterday, so I'll have to wait for the move. Tall girl does appear to have the same sacks, though far fewer in number than wide girl. Shorty is still short, at 11.5". Tall girl is 28.5" and wide is 23.5". Growth is, I think, slowing down a little now, which is good for everyone except shorty!

I have 9 little seedlings that have sprouted out of my 15 or so I started with. Only one germinated and failed to sprout (my fault--soil compacted a little much I think). Once the two tall girls are out, i'll have room for some 12/12 from seed girls. I may just throw some of the seedlings in there now just for fun.

No pics this morning...I'll try to throw some up before I take off.
 
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