My simple view on war

TheBrutalTruth

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So I don't necessarily agree with this as far as Iraq and Afghanistan, that and peace is nice, but the only way to secure peace is to be prepared for war, or like Teddy Roosevely said, "Talk Softly and Carry a Big Stick."


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I disagree with this in so far as that when people come up here and take advantage of our healthcare system for their gain, or when they come up here just to have a child that will then be a US Citizen (making it nearly impossible to force them to return to their own country) then we need to secure our borders.




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Still think I'm just posing as a independent, because I commented on my exact disagreements with the LP Platform.


All of them are relatively minor. If we pull out of Iraq so be it (though I think that'd be the equivalent of stabbing our military in the back, because we've already shed their blood on foreign soil. The least we can do is allow them to complete the entire mission.). If we stay in Iraq until the war and rebuilding of Iraq are done so be it.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
In any fundamental restructuring of federal taxation, to guard against the possibility of hypertaxation of the American people, any value added tax or national sales tax must be tied to simultaneous repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment, which established the federal income tax.
And Republicans are stupid, they are talking like a VAT is the same as a National Retail Sales Tax. It's not, a National Retail Sales Tax only gets collected at one point, not at every step in the production process. I'd sooner keep our current income tax system than have a VAT, but I'll gladly take a National Retail Sales Tax.
 

chuckbane

New Member
Big fracking whoop! You can take your free health care and shove it. I'm not interested in Free Health Care, because I'm one of those unlucky bastards that will get enslaved even further to pay for the damn thing. So take it, and shove it.
fine by me,, so when you are sick and dying and need an operation and dont have 300,000 for it i will be here praying for you.. i mean laughing,, yea, thats what i meant.

It's not like Canada has any really great universities anyway. When Canada has something that'll compare to CalTech, Texas A&M and MIT maybe then I'll be impressed.
Now this is a laugh. Its been proven over and over that our universities are much better. Our educational system is much tougher and they dont let just anybody in.
See you are just another fascist american creeping around the political forum waiting for someone to say some shit about america so you can jump in and defend your country. Little do you know the whole world is laughing at you.. oh, and giving you the finger :finger:

ROFLMAO, After they soak your employer for all he's worth in taxes. Might as well just slap him in the face.
No actually, the money goes to the employer to reimburse them for such things as workmans compensation and CPP. Only certain fields can apply (such as the trades) but the EMPLOYER is reimbursed money so they are able to pay the employee what they need. That way we arent over run with pove asses like the U.S. is. Go to skid row and come back on here and tell me i'm wrong. Because sure as shit we dont have any place like that hell hole. In fact, in the city where I live there is NO GHETTO. We have goverment subsidized housing, but it is well taken care of.

Good for you, you can keep the price inflation that creates, too.
Wrong again. This rise in min. wage is to compensate for inflation. The price of natural resources goes up (because they are becoming more and more scarce) and if the price of labor does not go up accordingly then the common person wouldnt be able to afford neccesityies such as a home and food. You have no idea how the economy works and that is quite evident

Don't say Canada never forced people to go to war, because it tried twice during both World Wars.
key word there is TRIED. But we werent dumb enough to let our gov. get away with that shit. We stood up to them. All you do is bend over and take it in the ass like the bitch in prison.

Hard to Hate Canada, they stay in their own country and stay quiet, though now that I think about it, maybe that should worry us. It's the shy quiet one's you got to worry about.
Thats right. We know when not to stick our noses where they don't belong. Unlike you, clearly. you are here shooting off your mouth like a fool arent you? sticking your nose where it doesnt belong?

That doesn't really prove anything.
proves a lot. proves that we care about the thing that substains life,, smart move. Unlike.....

ROFLMAO, Now you're just being idiotic.
Im being idiotic? why? because our economy is doing okay and your isnt? so im the idiot? hmmmmmmm....

At least he doesn't sound like a broken record, that keeps on repeating the same two words over and over and over, like it's skipping or something.
Really? see this video and you will think muccchhh differently
YouTube - 9/11: BUSH STUMBLES OVER HIS 9/11 LIES AT A PRESS CONFERENCE


They do say that you can judge a person by the caliber of his enemies, so if that holds true for the US then we must be pretty damn scary looking from their perspective.
They say? who says? your mommy?

Don't think we are the best, know we are the best
and THAT is why the whole world hates the U.S. you put it juuust perfectly thank you.


so you came on and argued every point ive had. but you really havent said anything good about your country.. what makes your country so great? what makes you the best? is it the overpacked prisons? is it the poverty? is it the crime? is it the way you have no care for the environment? is it the way you push other countries arounf forcing your idealistic life on them? what makes you the greatest?
 

DaRk Ak

Active Member
what makes us the greatest is we will fucking kick any countries ass who dare tempt us... by far the most powerful

all the things that make canada good are pretty easy when theres a whole 2000 people who live there

we stick our nose where it doesn't belong because the mutha-fucking eagle CAN and no one else is brave enough

the reason countries dont like us simply boils down to jealously of our POWER.

"that country that doesnt live in fear"
no clue what your talking about cause i sure as hell dont and if your talking about the arabs, they worry me about as much as the canadians. plus if something happens to me i know they will get it 10 times worse from the red white and blue. the reason you dont live in fear is cause you have the worlds bad ass sitting next to you to fight off the bad guys why you sit around to concentrate on your education.

yes im a proud american that is ready to fight for my country and im not alone.

now.... try to light me up lol i know its coming:-P
 

Bongulator

Well-Known Member
I love America as much as anyone does. I've put my life on the line for this country before and if I had to, I'd do it again (although I'd be one creaky soldier these days).

But the Canadian gentleman has a lot of points. We, as Americans, have been *terrible* for the environment. I mean, really, really bad. Did you know that in the last 20 years the number of North American freshwater fish that are in danger of extinction has doubled? They call it the 'silent extinction' because we don't really see a lot of the species -- they live in the deeper waters, invisible to us. But they are an important part of the ecology. When they're all extinct, the creatures they eat will explode in population, and the creatures that eat *them* will begin starving. Where the ripple effect ends, the scope of the reverberations on the ecology, no one knows. That's just one example. There are many.

Poverty is a growing problem in America. You can blame whatever you want for it: tax policies that favor the wealthy at the expense of the poor, poor fiscal management over the last eight years (which would continue under McCain, as you can see from his economic plan, which is basically just like Bush's). Whatever you blame it on, it's a real problem, and real people are doing some serious suffering.

Health care is a growing problem. Already it costs the average family around $12,000 per year for health care, not counting copays and extra costs. This is eating into disposable income and it's eating into NON-disposable income too. Some people already have to choose between feeding their children or providing them health care. What kind of choice is that? 'Honey, would you like to die from lack of medical care, or would you prefer to die from starvation?'

We're capable of being a much better country than this. The potential is there. But we can't keep ignoring our problems because if we do, they just get bigger and more costly. Usually it is the poor who pay the steepest price for our procrastination. We must procrastinate no more. We must begin taking steps to address our problems NOW, not foist them off on the next generation. The first step is acknowledging that we HAVE problems. Ignoring them is like ignoring a nasty infection: eventually gangrene or blood poisoning sets in and you die.

We have not been responsible stewards of our place on this planet. We haven't even been responsible stewards of our own PEOPLE.
 

chuckbane

New Member
what makes us the greatest is we will fucking kick any countries ass who dare tempt us... by far the most powerful
AND THIS IS WHY so much of the world hates the U.S. Im not saying all of its citizens have this asinine view but it is the signal that has being sent out for a long time now.

9/11 would have never have happened (if it happened for the reasons we were told...or sold...) if religious extremest didnt have such an easy job of rallying hate to fuel their troops to go to the extent of taking their own lives to hopefully kill Americans, no matter innocent or not.

This kind of shit doesnt happen in canada for a reason.

all the things that make canada good are pretty easy when theres a whole 2000 people who live there
this shows how very undereducated you are. i mean 2000 and 33.4 million are pretty close, i could see how you would mix that up.
your government loves you. you are ignorant (and undereducated) and not willing to ask questions, just like your president.

we stick our nose where it doesn't belong because the mutha-fucking eagle CAN and no one else is brave enough
they are brave enough to send you to war because they don't have to go. you dont get it. the american people didnt stand up and say "lets start a war" not the majority anyway. There are a lot of unitelligent folk such as DaRk Ak, who were sold the lie of terrorism, threats to national security, and weapons of mass destruction without asking any questions and said "fuck yea lets go kill motherfuckers." and i bet this kid thinks that its the iraqi's who "bombed" the towers, because they all look the same and all are from the middle east where my governemnt has told me is a bad place,, and i dont ask questions because they hurt my head.

you my good friend are the reason for the downfall of the world. You are the real terrorist... never once has my life been affected by anyone from the middle east but there has been countless times my life has been detrimentally affected by the U.S. and their governments foolish actions,, I dont live there anymore but my life is still affected because I am so close. I feel the heat from hell. Im sure this moron has stopped reading by now because it head was starting to hurt so i might as well stop even though i could go on for a while,, until my head started to hurt, and with talking about this kind of shit it wont take long.

the reason countries dont like us simply boils down to jealously of our POWER.
in your professional opinion? You sound like you are no older than 16, and if you are may some type of god have mercy on what is left of your soul..if you even ever had one...

"that country that doesnt live in fear"
no clue what your talking about cause i sure as hell dont and if your talking about the arabs
arabs? like people from saudi arabia? why should you be worried about them? your government is trying their hardest to get in bed with them! haha, wooowww, you see this shows the level of intelligence you posess.

plus if something happens to me i know they will get it 10 times worse from the red white and blue.
How come you havent won that war yet then? it been going on for a while now and an awful lot of "red, white and blues" have died. Maybe you should go over there and shoot up some motherfuckers then,, like shit, they wear sandals! whats the deal pussy? why arent you killing some arabs? or paki's... the ones with the towel on their head,, you know who im talking about... hahahahaha,, you are making me laugh kid, lets see what more ridonkulous shit you have to say...

the reason you dont live in fear is cause you have the worlds bad ass sitting next to you to fight off the bad guys why you sit around to concentrate on your education.
no the reason i dont live in fear anymore is because the country i live in doesnt boast as being "the free world" and "the biggest and baddest".. and we dont invade countries with unjust causes,, do you get it yet?

the rest of your post is a joke so im done with you.
 

chuckbane

New Member
I love America as much as anyone does. I've put my life on the line for this country before and if I had to, I'd do it again (although I'd be one creaky soldier these days).

But the Canadian gentleman has a lot of points. We, as Americans, have been *terrible* for the environment. I mean, really, really bad. Did you know that in the last 20 years the number of North American freshwater fish that are in danger of extinction has doubled? They call it the 'silent extinction' because we don't really see a lot of the species -- they live in the deeper waters, invisible to us. But they are an important part of the ecology. When they're all extinct, the creatures they eat will explode in population, and the creatures that eat *them* will begin starving. Where the ripple effect ends, the scope of the reverberations on the ecology, no one knows. That's just one example. There are many.

Poverty is a growing problem in America. You can blame whatever you want for it: tax policies that favor the wealthy at the expense of the poor, poor fiscal management over the last eight years (which would continue under McCain, as you can see from his economic plan, which is basically just like Bush's). Whatever you blame it on, it's a real problem, and real people are doing some serious suffering.

Health care is a growing problem. Already it costs the average family around $12,000 per year for health care, not counting copays and extra costs. This is eating into disposable income and it's eating into NON-disposable income too. Some people already have to choose between feeding their children or providing them health care. What kind of choice is that? 'Honey, would you like to die from lack of medical care, or would you prefer to die from starvation?'

We're capable of being a much better country than this. The potential is there. But we can't keep ignoring our problems because if we do, they just get bigger and more costly. Usually it is the poor who pay the steepest price for our procrastination. We must procrastinate no more. We must begin taking steps to address our problems NOW, not foist them off on the next generation. The first step is acknowledging that we HAVE problems. Ignoring them is like ignoring a nasty infection: eventually gangrene or blood poisoning sets in and you die.

We have not been responsible stewards of our place on this planet. We haven't even been responsible stewards of our own PEOPLE.
Great post, i have another thread that goes through all this you have just said... the thread sucks because a lot of assholes (people similar to dark ak) came and posted a lot of hate to make my freedom look bad...

oh well..
if i touch one person my job is done
 

DaRk Ak

Active Member
actually the reason im not over there fighting is because i had a choice, to go to the military or go to college where im at now working on a bach in information technology. so i guess im just so stupid and have no education because i made an exaggeration, no shit theres more then 2000 ppl lol. not to mention im probly farther through school then you ever made it, maybe, im not going to claim things like you. you sit in your corner n act like the good guy cause you try to look more intelligent then us and that somehow makes u right lol u flat out dissed america but im the bad guy for standing up. just wait, canada is free too so the mid east probly doesn't like you either, they just dont know about you. if someone on here says they didnt want to go to war after 911 then they are liers pretty much, not full out war but to at least go get the scum. iraq was a mistake cause of false intelligence pretty much but we are to far into it (not to mention we got a hook up on oil now... lol kinda fucked up isnt it), theres a lot of problems in the US but im not going to be made out to look bad by some random dude from canada...

so when u made that long list to pretty much just throw things into americans faces... thats ok but me coming back isnt. you would have done the same thing had i made a list of canadas pitfalls, ya prick.

canada has some good things about it that i hope america will one day be in a position to adopt but theres a lot of things we are caught up in, not sayin we should be caught up in, and i dont see how we could afford to do those things right now. at the same time i dont feel like we have it bad, look at the countries starving and ate up with aids.

we are both patriots n nothings going to change how we feel about this stuff, so lets shut up n get off each others backs. cool lol?:clap:
 

chuckbane

New Member
we are both patriots n nothings going to change how we feel about this stuff, so lets shut up n get off each others backs. cool lol?:clap:
it will be cool when you leave your "patriotic" bullshit in your mind. you had no right to come on here and post that
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Chuck there are a lot of people who wave those little 4 inch flags who have never even done any kind of service for their country.
I for one have served my country and don't like the direction that this country is headed.
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Just remember what Hermann Goering said at Nuremberg Trials.

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."
 

GrowTech

stays relevant.
9/11 would have never have happened (if it happened for the reasons we were told...or sold...) if religious extremest didnt have such an easy job of rallying hate to fuel their troops to go to the extent of taking their own lives to hopefully kill Americans, no matter innocent or not.

No offense or anything, but that is the most ridiculous scumbag bullshit statement ever made in the history of the world.

Are you trying to say that the attack on the private citizens of New York was at all justifiable due to the actions of our government?

I dare you to make that statement to anyone who's lost a loved one due to the 9/11 attack. Shame on you for even going there :finger:
 

DaRk Ak

Active Member
it will be cool when you leave your "patriotic" bullshit in your mind. you had no right to come on here and post that
chuck your an idiot, flat out say shit about one persons country but its somehow wrong for someone to say something about yours or deffend theres. dont worry about him growtech hes just a know it all prick who wants to justify leaving the US i guess, i dunno what his motives are really other then rub things in our face.

its just not right how you can say but i cant? lol you try to put the US down then turn around and act like you did nothing when i say something back hypocrite.

i haven't had my chance to serve my country yet but that doesn't mean i cant wave my little flag just as hard yanno.
 

ccodiane

New Member
i hear ya dank,, it is still my country too.. even though i have renounced my citizenship
"Ironic"

An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
And isn't it ironic... don't you think

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
"Well isn't this nice..."
And isn't it ironic... don't you think

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face

A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic...don't you think
A little too ironic...and, yeah, I really do think...

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out

 

chuckbane

New Member
No offense or anything, but that is the most ridiculous scumbag bullshit statement ever made in the history of the world.

Are you trying to say that the attack on the private citizens of New York was at all justifiable due to the actions of our government?

I dare you to make that statement to anyone who's lost a loved one due to the 9/11 attack. Shame on you for even going there :finger:
yes that is what i am saying. 100%. there is a reason things happen.

shame on me for going where? going for the truth? yea, shame on me for that
 

chuckbane

New Member
chuck your an idiot, flat out say shit about one persons country but its somehow wrong for someone to say something about yours or deffend theres.
you have yet to defend your country, all i have heard from you is that canada is so great because we have 2000 people. and that says a lot about you.
And i didnt say anything until ccodiane decided to stereotype me because of my citizenship. thats when the shit war started.

dont worry about him growtech hes just a know it all prick who wants to justify leaving the US i guess, i dunno what his motives are really other then rub things in our face.
i dont need to justify leaving the U.S., noone forced me I went for MY OWN reasons, and that is enough justification right there. And im not rubbing it in, just trying to knock you down a few notches. get you off your high horse. you THINK you are the best but the whole world KNOWS you are not.

you try to put the US down then turn around and act like you did nothing when i say something back hypocrite.
I dont need to try and put the U.S. down,, they do a good enough job of it themselves... they have you afterall


you can call me every name you can think of. because when i get insulted by someone with no intelligence it means nothing.
 

ccodiane

New Member
you have yet to defend your country, all i have heard from you is that canada is so great because we have 2000 people. and that says a lot about you.
And i didnt say anything until ccodiane decided to stereotype me because of my citizenship. thats when the shit war started.



i dont need to justify leaving the U.S., noone forced me I went for MY OWN reasons, and that is enough justification right there. And im not rubbing it in, just trying to knock you down a few notches. get you off your high horse. you THINK you are the best but the whole world KNOWS you are not.



I dont need to try and put the U.S. down,, they do a good enough job of it themselves... they have you afterall


you can call me every name you can think of. because when i get insulted by someone with no intelligence it means nothing.
I’m proud
To be an american
I’m proud
Of the groovy things we’ve done
There’s television, free religion, rock ’n’ roll, standard oil,
Times square, jimmy darren, corey wells, and smokey bear,
Price reduction, reconstruction, peace corps, and lots more
Culture that we got to lend

I’m proud
To be an american
And I’m proud
Had a great time bein’ one
There’s your school and my school and both of us in high school,
Surfboards, cigarettes, homework, southern comfort
Boy’s dean was real mean,
Made us keep our locker’s clean
Failed nearly every class
Ditchin’ was a gas

I’m proud
To be a young american
I’m proud, just think about it
All the far out things that we’ve begun
There’s revolution, constitution, land, sea, and air pollution,
Cold wars, hot wars, gas wars, and confrontutions,
Constipation, consternation, open hearted palpatations
Muscular dystrophy

I’m proud to be an american
Because we got department stores
Full of cheap guitars
But when sputnik plays ’em, you just go go go go

I’m proud to be an american--we got two chickens in every garage
And I wish every other kid could be one--in my country,
The medium is the massage
’cause it’s impossible to give
Equality and justice to inferior foreigners
Too jealous to trust us

Gimme your weak and your homeless
How ’bout checkin’ the oil ah, fella?

I’m proud to be an american
 

ccodiane

New Member
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If tomorrow all the things were gone I’d worked for all my life,
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife.
I’d thank my lucky stars to be living here today,
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can’t take that away.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And I’m proud to be an American where as least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.
[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee,
across the plains of Texas, from sea to shining sea,
[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]From Detroit down to Houston and New York to LA,
Well, there’s pride in every American heart,
and it’s time to stand and say:
[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A
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