desert dude
Well-Known Member
Shhhhhh. We are hunting wabbits.
NASA predicts irreversible collapse of civilization
- Thread starter canndo
- Start date
Shhhhhh. We are hunting wabbits.
canndo
Well-Known Member
what? Cyclical, the previous civilization collapsed, people managed to create another, that one collapsed, and so on. Ours is next.
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Its hardly irreversible, as stated in the title, that would be paradoxical.
It could also be argued that we will merely evolve into a more civilised society, for example, the poor of this generation are hardly comparable to the poor of previous generations.
JohnnySocko
Active Member
yeah, that also
GOD HERE
Well-Known Member
Well shit, I'll take your uneducated opinion over a group of mathematicians with advanced degrees working at NASA any day.
canndo
Well-Known Member
Firstly, yes, it is hard to claim on the one hand that it is irreversable and on the other, deep in the article that we could change the outcome. So it depends on the concept of irreversible. Consider this however. I tell you that I could reverse your cancer but you would first have to become a cow. Is your cancer irreversible?
The story says the the report contends that what is needed is a method and practice of redistribution of wealth (resources) from the ones who have the most to the rest of civilization. Is it reversible? of course, is it possible? not very likely.
canndo
Well-Known Member
The other two things. One could I suppose argue an evolution of civilizations, but evolution does not depend upon death. What is being described here is the death of a civilization, no one can say for sure the the one next arising will be.. more civilized. Maybe Rob's model would prevail, who knows? but I am quite sure I could make a case for the poor of this generation of civilization is about the same as the poor of any civilization throughout human history.
canndo
Well-Known Member
It is not simply an uneven distribution of resources but a convergence of that coupled with a hard limit on available resources coupled with a severely unbalanced accumulation by a very few. Given that resources in general were still in abundance, there would likely be no problem. The difference this time is that past civilizations didn't tap ALL of the globe's resources, simply those most local to its heart.
twostrokenut
Well-Known Member
How many tax "dollars" did this study cost again?
we better spend a lot more to figure out why some people have more shit than others while preaching collapse and resource distribution; tragic.
we better spend a lot more to figure out why some people have more shit than others while preaching collapse and resource distribution; tragic.
canndo
Well-Known Member
Skimmed through the article. Did they say when? I'm still prepped from the Mayan thing. Bring it on.
Fifteen to twenty years, sooner if nothing at all is done, later for the elite, earlier for the others. I saw a relative scale of energy support. The estimate was that it takes an energy recovery rate of at least 15 to 1 to support the Arts. In other words, we have the luxury to afford the arts when it takes one unit of energy to recover 15 units. We lose education at something around 12 to one, we begin to lose food at 8 to one (or something to that effect). At a certain point we are going to have to take other's energy before we are unable to mount the energy involved in taking it.
canndo
Well-Known Member
And then there is this. A study called preaching if it does not match one's philosophy. Why do you figure that some people have thousands of times more shit than others?
Red1966
Well-Known Member
My opinion is the same as theirs. Trying to stir up controversy where there is none? I just don't pretend I made some monumental discovery, predicting the obvious. Was this group led by Capt. Obvious?
Milovan
Well-Known Member
Interesting and well said!
canndo
Well-Known Member
You didn't read the story did you.
twostrokenut
Well-Known Member
You mean as of late? The Fractional Reserve System of course....same thing that allowed this study to be done on "full faith and credit".
Arguably that fits the definition of "elite".
That's right Faith.
Government organizations sounding like Jehovah's Witnesses is a weird sign of the times.
Red1966
Well-Known Member
Why are you trying to start an argument? They "discovered" nothing new. Civilizations have risen and fallen throughout history over the scarcity of resources. "Tomorrow will be much like yesterday" is hardly worth shouting from the headlines
So in other words the government gets to big, people become too greedy and hungry for power and before you know it, BOOM Zombie apocalypse. Kinda sorta.
I also cannot imagine how it would have been like to go through a collapse way before the information age without knowing wtf is happening, but it would seem like they would know what was happening, I would say that the people of the past were not stupid, we evolved from them, so I would think they would know it was coming though word of mouth, carrier pigeon a mother flippen fox... Yea... What are we talking about again?
Rome is such a great example. The west, in ignorance or arrogance, says that Rome ended in 476 or something like that. But in reality 477 was not much different than 475. Never mind the fact that in the east people went on calling them selves roman, and serving under a roman emperor for nearly one thousand years, they went on in the west also.
All that really happened in 476 was the last person in the west to be crowned emperor and have at least nominal control over the western half was deposed. There were local roman governors who went on for decades in Iberia, Gaul, northern Africa while the goths invaded Italy, but were then kicked out by the other remaining Romans under Justinian in the 6th century.
When Rome pulled out of the British isles, they did so gradually. They were there for 3 or 400 years. The people felt roman, and the Romans sent there felt British. It took some centuries, and an invasion for civilization to really crumble there.
But with the light speed communication we have now, we will have panic and mayhem. Back then the normal person said "fuck it, I gotta pick these grains."
Similar threads
