Need opinion on QB with IR and UV

Budi

Member
Hello every body

I need your opinion on a board I consider to buy. some specs:

LM301B 4000K SL: 164pcs;
LM301B 2700K SJ: 92pcs;
Cree XPE 660nm: 12pcs;
Cree XPE 730nm: 2pcs;
LG UV 380nm:2pcs.

120w
110-114v

I would love to get some input on this mix of diodes and spectrum and also what driver will be most suitable to run 2 of these boards.

Thank you
 

TEKNIK

Well-Known Member
I would suggest you check out cutter electronics solstrips, they can add what you want to the boards using nichia chips for white as opposed to Samsung or cree chips for white if you want to go cheaper
 

Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
Hello every body

I need your opinion on a board I consider to buy. some specs:

LM301B 4000K SL: 164pcs;
LM301B 2700K SJ: 92pcs;
Cree XPE 660nm: 12pcs;
Cree XPE 730nm: 2pcs;
LG UV 380nm:2pcs.

120w
110-114v

I would love to get some input on this mix of diodes and spectrum and also what driver will be most suitable to run 2 of these boards.

Thank you
With that high of a forward voltage, you'll be extremely limited. Only being able to use Constant Current (CC) drivers rather than Constant Voltage(CV) drivers that allow you to add as many boards as you want and share the amperage amongst them all evenly.
You'll be forced to use CC drivers and the voltage limits on them are gonna be difficult to match perfectly. What's the min, nominal, and Max operating currents you can run that board at?
 

Budi

Member
With that high of a forward voltage, you'll be extremely limited. Only being able to use Constant Current (CC) drivers rather than Constant Voltage(CV) drivers that allow you to add as many boards as you want and share the amperage amongst them all evenly.
You'll be forced to use CC drivers and the voltage limits on them are gonna be difficult to match perfectly. What's the min, nominal, and Max operating currents you can run that board at?
don't have these parameters at the moment but I'm looking at hlg-240h-c2100 as the seller suggested.. is that my only option?
 

Airwalker16

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don't have these parameters at the moment but I'm looking at hlg-240h-c2100 as the seller suggested.. is that my only option?
You'll be able to fit 1 on that driver. Not even filling up the voltage to Max either as its 109ish volts. I don't get how that's gonna work.
 

HydroFood

Active Member
I suspect your sourcing this board from China?
Buying such a board from China is a roll of the dice.

And I’d listen to the other replies you got. Such a board definitely isn’t very practical even if it came as advertised.

Your asking airwalk if he’s ever heard of parallel with a snarky tone, while at the same time your asking if that driver is your only option. Lol Figure it out yourself than.
 
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Budi

Member
well... Air walker made 2 mistakes and that was my reply.
but he actually tried to answer my question.. who would have thunk

what did you bring to this conversation?
 

Biff Bufford

New Member
@Moflow

The board Budi speaks of is on Alibaba under bava tech (too new to post link. Sorry)

The spectrum caught my eye, Seems best for Flowering correct?

But after reading all comments here, and other threads..... I'm thinking K.I.S.S. method, simple broad spectrum.

March Expo has those 800 boards cheap right now, and wiring those couldn't be simpler. Are yours treating you well still?
 

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Moflow

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@Moflow

The board Budi speaks of is on Alibaba under bava tech (too new to post link. Sorry)

The spectrum caught my eye, Seems best for Flowering correct?

But after reading all comments here, and other threads..... I'm thinking K.I.S.S. method, simple broad spectrum.

March Expo has those 800 boards cheap right now, and wiring those couldn't be simpler. Are yours treating you well still?
https://m.alibaba.com/product/60840515329/detail.html?spm=a277m.product-list.0.0


The 800 FOTOP Boards are serving me very well and I'm glad I got them.
The big Boards are cheap to buy, don't need heatsinks if run soft, lightweight for hanging, good par readings, easy to wire, ok efficiency wise and grows good solid buds.
There are a couple people on here who also use the 800 FOTOPs and seem happy enough with them.
There's a thread on RIU about Chinese companies being good or bad, can't remember the name of thread but bava springs to mind.

I'll have a look at what else bava might offer
 

ChiefRunningPhist

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still looking for opinions on the spectrum or if anyone has experience with this particular board...
Looks like a nice SPD.

If you got the SPD from Alibaba though, throw it in the trash, along with all the data sheets they supply. They are just copy pasted, doctored and skewed from report to report. At least in my experience. The chips you get will not be top flux bin. They will tell you they are, but you just have to enter into the transaction knowing they aren't. They have no 3rd party testing. They cannot be trusted. This is not exclusive to Alibaba though, many companies are full of scams and false claims. So ultimately you'll have to make a leap somewhere, unless you have your own testing equipment you'll be at the mercy of whatever numbers the supplier wants to print..

My Alibaba experience...
https://www.rollitup.org/t/next-on-stage-rita-fang-and-the-alibaba-qbs.983145/

On the flip side, they normally populate the boards with a high flux chip (though maybe not the best or highest flux bin like they garuntee), and they are cheap! They will, and do, grow the plants very well.

The SPD supplied looks like it might be genuine or at least tracking the relative radiance when looking at the chip selection and ratio, but I wouldn't count on it as being trustworthy. Also, the recorded 2.15umol/j isn't too bold and could be a legit datum too, this may be a more reputable company, but I can't say..

As far as what driver you can use, it would depend on how the board is wired. It looks like it's 8 strings of 32 LM301b plus some extra. In order to achieve the current needed for the XPs, it looks like they are bringing 2 LM301b strings together and slapping 2 XP chips down before splitting the string back up into separate LM301b strings. The LM301b is rated @ 2.88v at 200mA, or max current rating. So if you wanted to be able to blast your chips full blast you'd need a driver with at least (32 × 2.9v = 92.8v) 93v, but we have to figure in the voltage drop over the XPs too, so it looks like from the data sheet that they are possibly pairing up (2) groups of (4) 660 XPs @ 8.4v/each group, along with (2) groups of (2) 660 + (1) 380 + (1) 740 @ 9.2v/each group. If we add the max voltage addition of 9.2v to 92.8 we yield 102v total needed to run full blast. Because there's 8 rows, and the max current that the weakest chip in the strings can handle is 200mA, the max necessary current is 1.6A, or 1600mA (.2A × 8 = 1.6A) max, although I'd stay under 1300mA max because you'll need some badass heat sinking starting at around ~1100mA probably earlier. I run 142w on a s5 board but have to have active cooling.

Armed with these guesstimates (still not 100% on how board is wired, etc..) I'd say go for (1) 320h 2800b per (2) boards if you know how to dim, if not just go with the 240h 2100. Without dimming the 320h, you'll need active cooling and could burn up your light without it.

If you use a 240h 2100 you'll only be able to get your boards up to about ~105w per. You'll have room to run still on your driver (in terms of power), but because each board only gets 1050mA max, you'll never be able to use the the max of your board (164w ~ 102v × 1.6A), or your driver (240w+).

LM301b...
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XP chip V's...
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Board guesstimation outline...
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ChiefRunningPhist

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There are other fixtures utilizing LM301b with better than 2.15umol/j. (If that's a correct data sheet) Here's some more data that I forgot to add...

240h...
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320h...
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XP current graphs...
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* A slight 0.5% edge in effeciency to the 320h 2800 over the 240h 2100..
 
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