neerGreen #2: Let's try soilless

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
We've arrived near the end of this little adventure.
Here are three of the four stems.
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Here is the finished bud in five freezer bags. Six hundred eighty-nine point seven grams, bubeh!! That's over 24 ounces under a 600 on its second season. I feel quite good about this outcome.

To be fair, i did a deliberately sloppy trimming job since I intend to bubble these once I'm convinced their cure is done. Imagine three ounces of gooey sticky fragrant Widowbubble.
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At the end of flower, the plants exuded a note dominated by honeysuckle. That has blown off, and now the dominant odor note is a lovely bitter orange. My last year's Widow (Alice aka Der Hindenbud) got that smell only after months in jars.
Today I burned all the residue (stems, fans) except for the three tree trunks above. I am rigging for the ultimate stealth ... no more growing. Shame; I feel I just got good, again. And I need to shut it all down. Again. Argbl. cn

I want to append an observation. During this grow I have been plagued by episodic leaf injury/necrosis. I think now I know the cause: my use of the ozonator. I tend to run it until I can smell it, which requires a few ppm of atmospheric ozone. The safe level is currently set at 0.1 ppm, and the odor threshold as low as 1 ppb, but the olfactory system saturates quickly, punching the detection levels into the several-ppm range. At those levels, a pinto bean plant showed significant damage after 70 minutes, and 0.3 ppm over days can injure sensitive plants.

I did notice that when i didn't run the ozonator, my clones did worlds better. I suspect i could have let the plants go for another week or two before needing/wanting to cut them down.

A useful link.

http://www.ozonelab.com/articles/007.htm
 

Apomixis

Active Member
Yup. A "Stray Light" 300-watter ... and now I'm wondering if it was a good purchase. cn
The chloroplasts in leaves are tailor made for the situation in which the leaf originally found itself, so the switch from a nice T5 light to a high intensity plasma light was probably just overwhelming them. Have you grown plants under the plasma exclusively since then? I would love to see the results.
 

curious2garden

Well-Known Mod
Staff member
We've arrived near the end of this little adventure.
Here are three of the four stems.
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That's what my dog eats! Ugh.

Here is the finished bud in five freezer bags. Six hundred eighty-nine point seven grams, bubeh!! That's over 24 ounces under a 600 on its second season. I feel quite good about this outcome.
So you have officially hit 1.2 grams/watt! I'd say at this point you got the max. you can expect out of those genetics eh? Me personally I'm trying to find a way to relieve my OCD nature and KILL the damn things, LOL. It is good mid-grade with some sterling side

To be fair, i did a deliberately sloppy trimming job since I intend to bubble these once I'm convinced their cure is done. Imagine three ounces of gooey sticky fragrant Widowbubble.
View attachment 2611965

At the end of flower, the plants exuded a note dominated by honeysuckle. That has blown off, and now the dominant odor note is a lovely bitter orange. My last year's Widow (Alice aka Der Hindenbud) got that smell only after months in jars.
Today I burned all the residue (stems, fans) except for the three tree trunks above. I am rigging for the ultimate stealth ... no more growing. Shame; I feel I just got good, again. And I need to shut it all down. Again. Argbl. cn
I am sorry to see you have to go. Unfortunately that's life. We live it in stages eh? I'll see you back again, I'm sure.

I want to append an observation. During this grow I have been plagued by episodic leaf injury/necrosis. I think now I know the cause: my use of the ozonator. I tend to run it until I can smell it, which requires a few ppm of atmospheric ozone. The safe level is currently set at 0.1 ppm, and the odor threshold as low as 1 ppb, but the olfactory system saturates quickly, punching the detection levels into the several-ppm range. At those levels, a pinto bean plant showed significant damage after 70 minutes, and 0.3 ppm over days can injure sensitive plants.

I did notice that when i didn't run the ozonator, my clones did worlds better. I suspect i could have let the plants go for another week or two before needing/wanting to cut them down.

A useful link.

http://www.ozonelab.com/articles/007.htm
You know it could be that. You were running it pretty heavy at times. But today I'm purchasing a 2x4 tent. This is specifically my boys club and my experiment tent LOL. So who knows maybe a new light is in my future. I've been eyeing those LED's and wondering how much of a performance hit I'd take. I'm thinking about using them or T5's solely through the peak of summer heat here.

In the next week I have to pull my 1000 watt HPS and put my 600 HPS back in (heat control). I'm also beginning to look at air conditioning. By my bud isn't good enough, yet.

I don't want to see you leave but I'm sure you'll be back. Stay in touch and swing by and chat.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Yes; I do think that my running the ozonator a couple of times at "overkill" (company coming) levels had a bad effect. I don't remember harming my earlier grow like this, and I did use the ozonator then too in order to mop up stray odor telltales. So i think that an ozonator is a good thing overall ... just that i need to observe some restraint.

Yesterday I tried something new. I committed the Gimp (98 grams of still slightly moist bud) to bubbling with an ice-salt mixture. i learned three things in a hurry:
1) My ice was too coarse after almost a year in the freezer.
2) The salt was too coarse; i used pelletized.
3) It worked poorly nonetheless. I have just over three grams of 73-micron hash. I noticed that the trichomes liked to "glom up" on the screen. But omg the quality!! It is light brown, soft as plasticine and smells wonderful.
I am drying down the leftover bud for a solvent extraction. I'm curious how much extractible oleoresin is left, and what quality it'll be. If it's good, I'll solvent-extract the rest.
4) (yes, point four of three) When I make a mess with regular ice/bubble, all i have to do is let it evaporate. I spent an hour last evening policing salt up from the counter, floor, sink and sundry implements, including my cordless drill! I don't recommend trying the slat/ice method until i can use finer materials (snow and Kosher salt, perhaps) and work on a cold day, so that the benefit of a cold extraction isn't undone by the trichomes getting sticky on the screen. cn
 

DCobeen

Well-Known Member
Hi all im new to this so hydro scares me and soil doesnt offer enough. So after my seeds finish and i can plant then i will use air injection soil system. http://modularhydro.com i made my own version but followed their design. i will start a new post when i plant them into the system. Wow so much to learn and try i will be bending tipping ect to achieve 8 tops on each plant then flower and bloom them. if anyone has used air injection system let me know please. again new to this indoor stuff but can grow the best outdoor garden around.
 
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