New Beginnings for Massachussetts and I

Axle4worc said:

I did all that to this plant in a 5 gal pot. After watering it had about 3 gal. Here are pics right after repotting and today on my sip tray. I have issues with top watering all the time. Wish I had put holes before it recovered. Maybe you could put some fresh soil on top.

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These are fabric root pots so holes aren't part of the equation ... I'll have to do some research to see if letting them sit in liquid is a good idea ... I tend to think not but what do I know.

In the spirit of helicopter parents past and future I decided to take some immediate action besides the up potting. Took a screw driver and aerated the root masses. Made up a gallon mixture of moderate nutes and with a barbecue marinade injector pushed some of it directly into the root mass. Then slowly top watered only the space around the stems with the remainder so the new, moist soil around the sides wouldn't get any additional moisture or nutes.

Fingers crossed

The new crowded look


Curled down


Yellowing of old leaves

Bosgrower said:

These are fabric root pots so holes aren't part of the equation ... I'll have to do some research to see if letting them sit in liquid is a good idea ... I tend to think not but what do I know.

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Mine are in fabric pots also. I meant I wish I had put aeration holes.

With my sip tray I don't have the roots sitting in the water. I have the pots sitting on pearlite. The water wicks up the pearlite then up the cloth pot. I don't fill the tray more than an inch below the pot so the roots don't sit in water. I have a bottle to show water level. I also use hydroguard in the water.

Sounds like a good idea. I'll set it up next week when I move to the flower tent ... no room at the inn at the moment

Bosgrower said:

Inquiring minds want to know ....

Is there such a thing as too many fine roots? I just performed an emergency up-potting from 3 to 7 gal pots, and the entire 3 gal volume was solid hair roots.

For all you soil and coco growers out there ... if leaves are curling down at the tips, and the bottom leaves are starting to yellow, in addition to N deficiency, over watering, under watering. and some form of cal-mag deficiency, add too many roots and not enough medium to the list. The root mass appeared to be too dense for water and nutes to penetrate and stay long enough to be absorbed.

And for all you soil/coco fans out there ... even with 2.5-3gal of solid root mass, it takes a shitload of soil to fill 5 7gal pots. And they barely fit in a 2x4 tent ... which is why I was planning to wait until I moved them to the 5x5 before doing this.

And as for the root mass ... any reason not to take a screw driver and carefully loosen things up in there so the center mass has some better aeration?

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DUUUDE, that is the exact problem i have right now, some of the ladies looked like complete shit, root ball is massive, overtook the whole pot, i had to transplant from 5 gallon to 7gal, 2 plants i didnt transplant cause they were ok and those seeds i started later, but damn, tent is wall to wall pots now, zero floor space with 7 gallon in a 4x4 tent, and 2 are still in 5gal, tent is overcrowded, might have to lolipop some of them im not sure, tied 2 down today cause why not, little LST never hurt, I had to LST to drop the light for even spread, shoulda stuck with what i had originally

Bosgrower said:

These are fabric root pots so holes aren't part of the equation ... I'll have to do some research to see if letting them sit in liquid is a good idea ... I tend to think not but what do I know.

In the spirit of helicopter parents past and future I decided to take some immediate action besides the up potting. Took a screw driver and aerated the root masses. Made up a gallon mixture of moderate nutes and with a barbecue marinade injector pushed some of it directly into the root mass. Then slowly top watered only the space around the stems with the remainder so the new, moist soil around the sides wouldn't get any additional moisture or nutes.

Fingers crossed

The new crowded look
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Curled down
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Yellowing of old leaves
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Boss we are having the same issues, i was thinking of taking some chop sticks and kinda aerating the soil, do you think that would not be a good idea, seems like the least evasive way i can think of that would be able to get deep enough

I used a screw driver ... then 1 gal of nutes just around the stems and then 2 gal of ph'd water around the perimeters. Based on the dryness of the root mass I'm guessing they were starving and thirsty. I'm hoping by tomorrow mornings I'll see some reaction.

greg nr said:

We have a very strange state. Not one precinct voted for trump, but there is a conservative streak that is stalling implementing the new law (and that continues to elect republican governors).

So we find ourselves with the "right" to possess, grow, and consume, yet we can't legally buy seeds, clones, or finished goods.

Btw, there is a dispensary in Boston somewhere that will gift you 5 seeds if you ask. I saw a news article about it. It's their way of seeding the suppliers.

Oh, and solo farms has a 5 seeds for 5 bucks offer running right now. go to their website for details. I believe the seeds are hso. http://fadahmike.com/5for5.html

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Just curious but is there a law that says people in mass can't buy seeds from a state side dealer I mean within the USA?

GrnMonStr said:

Just curious but is there a law that says people in mass can't buy seeds from a state side dealer I mean within the USA?

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Honestly, seeds are among the last of things I'd be concerned about.

I've received 5 orders this year so far. Most from Canada.

Federal law prohibits it including US mail. There are no legitimate dealers in ma. That is why many seed Banks have stealth shipments. They have a very high success rate. Have not ordered in country but many do.

GrnMonStr said:

Just curious but is there a law that says people in mass can't buy seeds from a state side dealer I mean within the USA?

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Federal law equates seed to bud. Just the way the law is written. But as creature noted, less than a gram of seeds isn't enough to interest even jeff sessions since we are in a legal state.

I only order from US seed banks now. My first seed order was from canada, but that was due more to eagerness than rational thought. Kind of like buying a mars led.

There are a lot of good USA based seed banks. There are a lot of USA breeders who brew pure fire. No reason to deal with customs. No reason to buy shitty genetics.

ymmv.

Alright. I just took the plunge. Ordered 6 cxm22 3000k 80cri, meanwell 185-48a (gonna run them soft in my 2x4 flower cubboard). Also picked up 2 clu48-1212 4000k for the micro veg area.

These will all be mounted on alpine 64 gt2s at 8 dollars a piece shipped. Frame.... i will have one hehe. Or multiple rather.

Transplanting the girls tonight to final 7 gallon containers of hot soil (ewc, fish meal, kelp meal, crab meal, oyster flour, azomite, langobenite, roots organic and perlite)

Amnesia lemon is mainlined for 8 and confirmed female. Honeybell (courtesy of bosgrower) is currently set for 4, with a topping in about 4 day to go 8, and saphire og is lagging behind at its first topping. Theyve been under a 4 ft 2 bulb t8 so starved for lumens hehe.

Thats aboit to change

I haven't posted any pics of my girls but here we go. Started by seed in December and due to some complications I pushed flowering them back. Now I've got a 4x4x6 tent that is too tall for my basement and I gotta wait until it warms up a little to set up in my garage... The 3rd pic was an old one when I had to tie them down.
Currently growing in a 32x32 inch tent
5 gal smart pots
1 600 watt mh/hps (got another one for when my actual flower tent goes up)
coco
and the strain is Ogiesel.

Building 16 COBs ... piece of cake
Wiring up the electrical system and the Storm controller ... not a problem
NOT building a 44" x 44" fixture frame with aluminum angle irons from Home Depot ... priceless

Learn from my misery ... it's worth the extra $$$ for the 80/20 framing materials

Hoping this is just from the GH trio staining my roots...any input will be appreciated.
Res temp is 66 degrees so I'm thinking it's not root rot. Roots all seem healthy upon inspection.

GrnMonStr said:

Hi, I am a resident also and from the South Coast MA area. I love all the political posts from stoned Yoda and I agree. Hopefully we can all share in this evenly and in some proportional way that makes sense. So maybe having this strange political mix that we have here will work out for the best. All I know is right now is that two adults can grow 12 plants, as long as it is out of sight from street view.

Here is my start, and I am coining this year "summer of 17"!

I figure in about a month and it will be safe to go outdoors, and they will have a good head start.

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Welcome Green Monster

be4meliz said:

Can you run your pump in-line(outside bucket) most pumps can. Otherwise, seems like trade-off( noise for twice a day bottles) or try muffling airpump.Surround with foamrubber so it can still breath. You have a few months to go and bottles will get old-but res. temp is a MAJOR.

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Well, I had to take the water pump out of the bucket and go back to external air pump and stones. I just COULDN'T keep the water under 82 degrees. Sigh. (yeah, 3 bottles a day I was up to and it was getting on my nerves) I really loved the water pump because it was so silent. Once again I hear the hummmmm of a jet plane taking off! I put a little foam around it, but no change. But... I have to do whats better for the plant~not whats better for me. Res temp dropped to 72 and holding. She is growing so great, I love DWC. She is so much larger at 14 days than my soil grow was. And "soil" Wilma is flowering and shooting up every day. I checked her this morning and caught my breath when I saw how she grew.

Another thing....I notice every time I water Wilma the WW she droops. Then an hour later she is up and perky. Did you find this with yours? Is it an Indica trait?

I think next month I will have a separate grow room for my ladies, and I wont hear anything at all. Cant wait!

Stebbins said:

Hoping this is just from the GH trio staining my roots...any input will be appreciated.
Res temp is 66 degrees so I'm thinking it's not root rot. Roots all seem healthy upon inspection.

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Looks stained to me, because the roots nearest the pot are white in image 2565. But Im just a newb at this so take what I say with a grain of you know what.

I found in the past that USA seedbanks didn't really carry the seeds I wanted....just their own strains. (I want auto sativa dominant) But I found this USA seedbank that has a HUGE selection of seeds. Their selection includes seeds from other banks around the world. (Seedsman, Humbolt, Sensi, Dutch Passion, etc) They may be the next bank I try. I hear they ship fast, flat rate 7.00 shipping, take cash or MO, and give good freebies. (However, I do find a lot of their seeds say "out of stock")

Southern Oregon Seeds
http://www.sooregonseeds.com/

JustCallmeMom said:

Welcome Green Monster

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Thank You! I was just looking at the pic you just posted that says 14 days, what strain is that? It looks like what I am growing. This one is at day 17, and in soil so yeah your plant is growing nice and fast, looks good!

Bosgrower said:

Building 16 COBs ... piece of cake
Wiring up the electrical system and the Storm controller ... not a problem
NOT building a 44" x 44" fixture frame with aluminum angle irons from Home Depot ... priceless

Learn from my misery ... it's worth the extra $$$ for the 80/20 framing materials

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I operate a couple cnc machines by day for my job. My frame will probably end up being some 3/16 aluminum plate with holes cnced to it for the bjb holders to poke through.


I do wish i could use wood (baltic birch plywood) but something tells me that may be a poor idea hehe