new grower 2nd grow

applepoop1984

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so my frst grow was slightly unssuccessful. onyl got 21 grams dry from 2 blueberry plants and 8 oz of canna butter.

i used a 400 w metalhalide throughout the grow was fed no veg nutrients onyl bat guano from the beginning 1 tbsp about 5 times throughout the grow wityh an npk of 0-5-0. it started out on cfls till week 4 of veg and then 4 weeks more of veg under a metalhalide. then flowered for 2 months under metalhalide and clipped off all dead dieing leaves. harvested when all the hairs were mostly red for a wet weight of 70 grams, didnt have a ph meter or ppm meter up until week 6 of flowering and found out the plant had been recieving 8.6 ph water and 380 ppm throughout the grow. when i cut it down i left 4 nodes worth of length on each plant to reveg and put it under 24 hr light and phed the water to 5.0 and bought a zero water pitcher for a ppm of 001 and added 1 cap of 5-1-1 fish fertilizer aerated in a 4 quart container for 2 hjours. i eventually want to grow it out to make clones and keep taking clones till i have enough for 8 pots 1.5 liters each and grow them under 12/12.

i have a few questions:
1 is 24 hr lightiing best for revegging or is 20/4 18/6 16/8 better?

2 for vegetative growth in general what effect does no dark period at all have and what effect does an 87654 etc hour dark period have ?

3 iv heard u can add super thrive only twice and before flowering. is this true? iv also heard u can add 1 drop to every watering

4 is 1.5 liter pots enough to provide 18 inches of vertical growth?

5 has anyone used neptune seaweed ferts?

6 is measuring the runn off an accurate way to measure soil ph? is 5.8-6.8 a good range for soil to have? how much runn off should i use to test the ph with?

7 uvb reptile glow 10.0 cfls 26 watts. anybody use them? know about them ie light output effective range personal experience?

8 heavy perlite mixes ie 100 % perlite 50% perlite 33 % perlite with the remainder being soil anybody have experiences and can tell em the advantages disadvantages over the usual 10-20% perlite to soli ratio?

9 molasses? cna it be used every watering cycle and how much do u use? what are the advantages disadvantages?

10 hydrogen peroxide? iv heard numerous growers ie ed rosenthal mel thomas greg green say it can be used with every watering i have a friend who says you will be able to taste it in your final harvest if you use it? what effects does h2o2 have on the plant can it uptake the taste and what are the disadvantages / advantages of using it?

11 48-36 hr dark period before harvest anybody do it? what does it do?

12 defoliating advantages disadvantages?

13apple cider vinegar and baking soda for ph up and down. any experiences. i knwo vinegar brings fungus gnats but i inverted a 2 liter bottle upper half and put it inside the lower half filled with vinegar and it killed 4 gnats by last nighbt at 1 am so 4 gnats in 1 day. i do the same by my beer keg and get 30-40 in the 1st week and after that no fungus gnats return as the eggs hatched and flew to the trap leaving no offspring. if i do this can vinegar still eb used?

14 clones where to cut and how many nodes should each have? do you ph the water in the rock wool to 5.0 and let it soak for a couple hours before? do you spray first let the clones dry when there in the rock wool and then water or keep them wet 24/7? do u do the split down the middle of the stem 1/2 inch or leave the stem intact before planting?

15 mh through flower? what effects on yield and any advantages disadvantages?

16 light interruptions during dark period ie friend using led flashlights to look at hairs and crystals? what effect on yield and potency and any other effects it might have?

thank you for any and all help i know iv been rambling but thsi is all the questions i have right now
 
sorry i dont have time to read through all this right now, but i would use a 20/4 cycle. the roots expand during the dark hours.

also, i would get some orange colored cfls for flower on top of the mh. a mh is good for veg, not really for flower, but itll work.

i would feed once in veg and then once or twice in flower with organic nutes. during veg, you want a heavy n-p fertilizer, and during flower you want a heavy k fertilizer.

you can harvest clones up to the third week in flower, but cutting during veg cycle is ideal.
 
Personally I think having a dark period for the plant is needed. I've always done 18/6 and no problems.

I like your approach to this thread, you had your first grow and now you are asking questions on how to improve for the next. :clap:


Cheers
- SB -
 
sorry i dont have time to read through all this right now, but i would use a 20/4 cycle. the roots expand during the dark hours.

also, i would get some orange colored cfls for flower on top of the mh. a mh is good for veg, not really for flower, but itll work.

i would feed once in veg and then once or twice in flower with organic nutes.

you can harvest clones up to the third week in flower, but cutting during veg cycle is ideal.

thanks was looking for something alot more in depth but thanks i repped you anyways. is 20/4 ideal and why? orange colored cfls or cfls in the 2700k range? with taht feeding schedule do u notice any lightening of the leaves before flower? im looking to keep them forest green till a week after flower starts and let them yellow gradually. so 3 weeks tops ok thanks buddy
 
Personally I think having a dark period for the plant is needed. I've always done 18/6 and no problems.

I like your approach to this thread, you had your first grow and now you are asking questions on how to improve for the next. :clap:


Cheers
- SB -

appreciate yoru kindness iv been on other forums ie growkind and marijuana passion and they dont take kindly to newbs
 
sorry i dont have time to read through all this right now, but i would use a 20/4 cycle. the roots expand during the dark hours.

also, i would get some orange colored cfls for flower on top of the mh. a mh is good for veg, not really for flower, but itll work.

i would feed once in veg and then once or twice in flower with organic nutes. during veg, you want a heavy n-p fertilizer, and during flower you want a heavy k fertilizer.

you can harvest clones up to the third week in flower, but cutting during veg cycle is ideal.


^^^Says the guy who obviously doesnt no what hes talking about. Bmeat you have been asking people left and right about how to grow, what to do, etc. You shouldnt be answering questions on here like you know what your doing till you finish a harvest. Im new, wont answer anything but basic questions. Take my advice and do the same.
 
^^^Says the guy who obviously doesnt no what hes talking about. Bmeat you have been asking people left and right about how to grow, what to do, etc. You shouldnt be answering questions on here like you know what your doing till you finish a harvest. Im new, wont answer anything but basic questions. Take my advice and do the same.

and the plot thickens!! dun dun dunnnnnnnnn!
 
sorry i dont have time to read through all this right now, but i would use a 20/4 cycle. the roots expand during the dark hours.

also, i would get some orange colored cfls for flower on top of the mh. a mh is good for veg, not really for flower, but itll work.

i would feed once in veg and then once or twice in flower with organic nutes. during veg, you want a heavy n-p fertilizer, and during flower you want a heavy k fertilizer.

you can harvest clones up to the third week in flower, but cutting during veg cycle is ideal.

Ya dude why are you giving people advice? I'm a noob also but I have years of research and have been around some friends successful grows, so what I'm saying is I probably know a good deal more about growing than you. That being said I would not be giving other fellow new growers advice, leave that to the experienced growers that actually know their shit and have many successful grows under there belt. The noob section is for experienced growers to give advice to inexperienced growers, by you giving advice your just clogging up the boards and confusing people. C'mon man
 
^^^Says the guy who obviously doesnt no what hes talking about. Bmeat you have been asking people left and right about how to grow, what to do, etc. You shouldnt be answering questions on here like you know what your doing till you finish a harvest. Im new, wont answer anything but basic questions. Take my advice and do the same.
I honestly thinks he gets off by pissing people off. But really he should stop giving advice, someon'se going to actually take his advice and screw up their grow.
 
1.) 20/4 will provide you with the quickest growth
2.) it is my understanding that during the dark period, plants releases sugars, amino-acids, and other organic compounds back into the root-zone (rhizosphere)
http://popups.ulg.ac.be/Base/document.php?id=7578
3.) For the most part, Superthrive is a b-1 supplement and is really not necessary- your plant should make its own b-1
http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf
4.) Sure, however without a drip system or a system to always provide it with water you run a high risk of dehydrating your plant to its death. Also: "more roots= bigger fruits."
5.)I haven't
6.)This is my method to test what is going on in my root-zone: i take a sample of my medium (about a half cup) and saturate it with an equal part of distilled water (0 ppm); let it sit for about 10 min. while occasionally stirring; test your sample with clean, calibrated, popper functioning insturments (pH, ppm)...This method will claim a few roots; if you do not wish to disturb your roots test the run-off by completely saturating your medium without causing run-off; let sit for 10. min; add distilled water in the amount you would like to collect, maybe a bit more; test with properly functioning clean calibrated instruments. After this I would consider replacing the distilled water in my root-zone with a proper feeding and perhaps a bit of off-the-shelf h202 (perhaps 3-5 caps full per gallon.)
7.) I haven't; bu,t what you want to research is PAR (photosynthetically active radiation) and what "bulb" produces it.
8.)the advantage of perlite is aeration; the disadvantage: it is harder to flush and drys out quicker than conventional mediums.
9.)Sugars, or carbohydrates are to feed the "beneficials" in your root-zone (something your plant does naturally during the dark cycle.) With that said, sugars should only be used sparingly to keep your rhizoshpere active. Molasses will actually,in a way, "clog" your roots- even with a healthy rhizosphere. Molasses should be used in miniscule amounts every so often. I only use sugars when making beneficial "brews" and late into flowering in lieu of a "bennie brew." http://popups.ulg.ac.be/Base/document.php?id=7578
10.) H2O2 is hydrogen and oxygen- like water, but with an extra oxygen atom. this, alone, will not cause any variation in your terpenoid (responsible for aromatic attributes) development. I have used it to combat over-watering ( roots need oxygen like leaves need CO2.)
11.)I have done it to shock the plant into flowering; It shocks the plant. When is shocking your plant a good thing? Maybe for alkaloids? find master finshaggy with a quick search he's doing an expire-ment along the lines of "stress for potency"
12.)..... I'm not going there, but other lengthy threads are still there.
13.) I would use distilled vinegar for pH down, however pH down products meant for horticulture are more effective. never considered baking soda, but I have read that it adds a lot of "salts"
14.)Search how to clone and cloning methods. you want at least 2 nodes. after that there is a lot of ways to tackle this.
15.) HPS for flower. PAR?
16.) Phytochrome Pr is "triggered" by a lack of red light(660nm), or converted from Pfr by Infrared light ( 730nm, also known as far-red light), and is what allows
the plant to be aware of light and dark cycles
. if you want to use a light spectrum to view your plants during the dark period while in bloom, use green ones.
https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/611834-certain-color-leds-during-dark.html
http://plantphys.info/plant_physiology/phytochrome.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytochrome

There are many here inclined to help you, however, everything you are asking about has been answered many times in other threads. With that said, feel free to ask any questions that you are unable to look-up
 
cannabis is a c3 plant, meaning that they convert c02 into amino acids and produce energy only during light hours.

when lights are out, the roots are expanding, and the plant is stretching vertically to look for light. there is no real structural growth, besides underground.

i wouldnt say something if i didnt know it. if you dont want to listen to me, dont. put your pants on 24/0 i dont really give a fuck.
 
cannabis is a c3 plant, meaning that they convert c02 into oxygen and produce energy only during light hours.

when lights are out, the roots are expanding, and the plant is stretching vertically to look for light. there is no real structural growth, besides underground.

i wouldnt say something if i didnt know it. if you dont want to listen to me, dont. put your pants on 24/0 i dont really give a fuck.

bad no! no! go do business!
 
i dont really give a fuck.

LMFAO.....Dude you obviously dont know what your talking about. You dont give a fuck cause you dont want others to call you out on your BS. Luckily i read EXPERIENCED growers comments. If I followed your advice then my plants would be non existent. I mean seriously, you type so much bull on here that you forget what BS you told someone earlier. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
 
i wouldnt say something if i didnt know it.

What a crock of shit. I've called you out on so many things you then continue to argue THEN you realize you were wrong and start asking for help. Most recently it was the Cannabis is a fruit shit you were spewing. I told you weed isn't a fruit but you kept saying it was. THEN you quoted an article clearly saying cannabis ISN'T a fruit but the (achene)seeds are the fruit. You couldn't comprehend that until I spelled it out for you. You don't have a fucking clue.

Here's your post where you prove yourself wrong because you didn't understand what an achene is.

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/608593-how-much-longer-25.html#post8560081

 
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