BullPower
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If I was rich... i there would drfinitrly be signs.
New Migro Lights?
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lozac123
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I've just swtiched from LED to HID over the last year, and I will be sticking with HPS as long as I can.
My first light was a Migro 250w, and I was relatively happy with it. I was growing living soil, and everything that came out was very good, but I always felt that something was missing. I was constantly coming up against what looked to be a cal mag deficiency constantly with it too. I always felt it was a little too strong too, there was always slight light burn, and for my last run I really had to turn the light down so the plants wouldn't burn.
Back to the Shane drama.
My hackles have been up for a while with Migro, but I couldn't fully put my finger on what it was. He obvioulsy is a LED lighting brand first, and a reviewer second, but conversations with him on discord made me really wonder about his background as a grower. His responses usually were quoting something from Bugbee. Then about a year ago, he did a podcast with the from the stash crowd. For me, that really highlighted what I found was my issue with Migro. He is not a cannabis grower, and does not currently grow. His wife's family come from a horticultural background, and he comes from an engineering background, and he made a business out of the two. It's why he often does test runs on things like chillis, or other regular plants (also because he lives in Ireland and it is illegal). His advice is no different than reading any other article online, there is little first hand experience with cannabis.
My personal beef with this current situation is that he was selling a product that was completely different than what his website showed. Not only was the light weaker and spectrum different than advertised, but the brand of diodes being used was completely different too. No osram and samsung diodes, instead the new chinese diodes that he has said he is planning on using in the future when the larger companies stop making them.
If that video was legitimate, and he was sorry, surely he should have done some sort of discount or option of replacing the light for what people paid for. Expensive option for him, but this was not a "fuck up" but more a "caught out". Sorry for the rant chaps.
420AD
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Wait till Spiderfarmer's stuff is on sale, the SF-2000's you could get for 150$ at one point.
If you don't wanna pay 500-1000$ for a fixture, put two of these in a 4x4, they're decent.
Money Problem solved.
Rocket Soul
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Is there anyway to get a picture comparison? Understand if you have to be discrete.
Im honestly not surprised if array plants look better as iirc mammoths 21 spectrum wasnt very impressive
hostagecs
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i might get that for my new tent until i win the lotto
420AD
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sylstar sold their versions of the SF-2000 (GL-2000) at 130$, once.
cost me 520 bucks to have 2 sets of lights, that was unbeatable at the time.
I still run these today.
It could just be 2024 technology vs 2019 technology. Migro's new lights are the most design to hit the market and the spectrum is weighted heavily in the 660 region. If you're hitting the plants with the same PPFD, it could be something as simple as that.
Having said that, there are a huge number of variable in the growing equation so it's devilishly hard to do an A-B comparison.
Two thoughts - most growers do not give their plants enough light for the plant to reach their genetic potential. Second, if you're not one of "most growers" and if you can take advantage of the output from the GM light and if the marginal cost of is acceptable/not an issue, the GML light is superb.
Agreed. That would make for an interesting read.
BullPower
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Im glad I didnt pay much for it. It'll make a good veg light maybe.
BullPower
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I will be there tomorrow and will get a pic. Just go easy on me. Won't be fair comparison, technically. But I think itll be obvious. No 2 plants tbe same.
Rocket Soul
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No worries, just curious on the comparison
Rocket Soul
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Sorry for requpting you this long after but id like to pick your impressions on this; what difference have you seen from adding 680 to for example 660 reds?
We made some tests adding a bunch of all different reds to 2700k 90cri (660/680/730 and i think 630 aswell) along with a pretty wide but balanced uv spectrum to two of our trays and while it wasnt the most scientific tests i really liked the results in smells; we got back that "volatile" terpentiney character to some of our cuts. Some were great while some smelled like weve overdone it; we did add some pretty massive amounts, like 25% reds and uv in total.
Just hoping youd share anything youve seen
welight
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I think its an interesting spectral juxtapostion, it resolves for lower eff of 730, you dont seem to get Pr to Pfr as sweet as 660, but does not get back conversion causing elongation, and you right it gets em stinky. I think its the goto red. Cant speak to performance when blended with UV but logic would suggest the two together would be a flavour and smell feastSorry for requpting you this long after but id like to pick your impressions on this; what difference have you seen from adding 680 to for example 660 reds?
We made some tests adding a bunch of all different reds to 2700k 90cri (660/680/730 and i think 630 aswell) along with a pretty wide but balanced uv spectrum to two of our trays and while it wasnt the most scientific tests i really liked the results in smells; we got back that "volatile" terpentiney character to some of our cuts. Some were great while some smelled like weve overdone it; we did add some pretty massive amounts, like 25% reds and uv in total.
Just hoping youd share anything youve seen
Rocket Soul
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Not sure if im getting you right, you argue that 680 would replace 660+730 with one diode? I tend to agree.
More than stinky it was the new character of the smell i liked, volatile/solventy in some cuts, especially rich when combined with fruity flavas but didnt work well with oreoz apricot: it all turned to celery.
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