New York juror form includes negro

AlGore said:

ummm, citations are on there...

And you're right, language is fluid, words themselves have very little power and have multiple meanings etc, it's their use that determines what they mean to different people. And where I grew up, people's grand parents and even parents, used Negro as a racial slur.

Let's stop arguing semantics when the point is there is nothing wrong with what is on that form, because the black community and/or leaders in America has embraced it, especially the "old guard". I personally find it about as close in ignorance as calling themselves "nigga" but I'm a tall ass white boy, primary western European with some Native America mixed in there, I have no right to an opinion on the subjects in all honestly.

Now lets talk about why that form also says "American Indian" and I'm guessing has the word (white) next to Caucasian. It's because people are stupid and they have to spell it out for them so they know which box to tick. lol.

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Can you show me? I see no citation.

I will respectfully disagree with something else: Just because I am white does not disqualify me from having an opinion. What some confuse, to my displeasure, is that there is a difference between having a legitimate opinion ... and having an authoritative one.

I will be so bold as to grab my right to have an opinion in the face of those who say i have no seat at this table because I am not a _____. I belong to the same society, so I reject that self-serving line of reasoning. It is carved of the same stuff as the idea (that I recommend we all reject as manipulative unreason) that being offended about something is a good-enough reason to limit social discourse. Ultimately, it is divisive, and I see not enough resistance to the divisive force that thinking represents. What i find particularly scary though is that often the divisive force is dressed up in the sheep's clothing of pluralism, and people who are either too lazy or too intimidated to think it through swallow it. Divide et impera for our age.

ginwilly said:

The other day Buck tried to prove a point how PC is so much better otherwise we'd have abortion questions like "are you for or against killing innocent unborn babies". I don't know why framing it like that is any different than framing it are you for or against abortion.

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that has nothing to do with PC and everything to do with loaded language, as i pointed out immediately before trying to educate you about the loaded questions you were asking elsewhere and trying to pass off as simple "honest debate" starters.

you really have a knack at being a shit for brains who can't learn for shit. i honestly feel you have a learning disability.

cannabineer said:

blatant emotional loading of the question.

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thank you.

you can understand what i was doing without even having been there for the discussion.

ginwilly said:

point taken.

Buck, forgive me please.

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damn, now i feel bad for flying off before reading ahead.

Americans are un-fucking-believable when it comes to this shit.

Seriously, it's pathetic.

Get over the labelling, I guarantee Europe has more minorities than the US and this bullshit NEVER comes up.

racerboy71 said:

I guess Frederick Patterson , the founder of uncf, was a self hating "African American ", choosing the word negro to represent his group and all..
And i also guess no " African american" would dare to take money for college from such a racist group as uncf and all right?

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when was it started?

when was the NAACP started?

"colored" and "negro" used to be the PC term for referring to black people.

now they are both kinda outdated and many do take offense to those terms.

i have no problem using one term rather than another, especially if people find it offensive. it's just a word, no problem to me. some people get bent out of shape and will bemoan the evils of political correctness, i'm not sure why these people complain so much about simple word substitutions. well, i have some ideas, but that's for another thread.

UncleBuck said:

when was it started?

when was the NAACP started?

"colored" and "negro" used to be the PC term for referring to black people.

now they are both kinda outdated and many do take offense to those terms.

i have no problem using one term rather than another, especially if people find it offensive. it's just a word, no problem to me. some people get bent out of shape and will bemoan the evils of political correctness, i'm not sure why these people complain so much about simple word substitutions. well, i have some ideas, but that's for another thread.

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it was started in 1947, i do believe..
point being, ok, so maybe negro was the go to term in 1947, if it's so offensive now, why don't they change the name of the organization to fit in with today's terms? why if negro's found negro so offensive, why are negros still using the term negro to define themselves?

about 25 years ago when i was in first or second grade, our school nurse, who was about 70, told us the story of how she once licked a black kid's arm when she was our age because her parents called them "chocolates" and she wanted to find out for herself.

terms change over the years.

UncleBuck said:

when was it started?

when was the NAACP started?

"colored" and "negro" used to be the PC term for referring to black people.

now they are both kinda outdated and many do take offense to those terms.

i have no problem using one term rather than another, especially if people find it offensive. it's just a word, no problem to me. some people get bent out of shape and will bemoan the evils of political correctness, i'm not sure why these people complain so much about simple word substitutions. well, i have some ideas, but that's for another thread.

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Try the word people, or Americans, instead of trying to navigate the offensive or inoffensive labelling system.

If black people are so worried about being labelled differently, why not just use the term "American" to self identify?

racerboy71 said:

How do you know blacks think its offensive ? Have you taken a pole ?
And I'm not defending it, I'm just saying I don't think it's offensive ..

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Oooo now we're getting sexist!

UncleBuck said:

about 25 years ago when i was in first or second grade, our school nurse, who was about 70, told us the story of how she once licked a black kid's arm when she was our age because her parents called them "chocolates" and she wanted to find out for herself.

terms change over the years.

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terms may change, but when negro was the go to not offensive term to use for black people, or african americans or w/e you want to call them, when and how did it become offensive now?

cannabineer said:

Oooo now we're getting sexist!

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lol, damned phone and spell check fail, now i'm on my laptop, thank god..

racerboy71 said:

it was started in 1947, i do believe..
point being, ok, so maybe negro was the go to term in 1947, if it's so offensive now, why don't they change the name of the organization to fit in with today's terms? why if negro's found negro so offensive, why are negros still using the term negro to define themselves?

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it doesn't say on their website, but my guess (and they hint at it) is that they don't want to lose name recognition.

UNCF said:

The elements of the UNCF brand are among the most recognizable in the world. The trademarked logo and tagline “A mind is a terrible thing to waste,”® give hope to people all over the world who aspire to use their intellect to better themselves and their communities.

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i don't think many blacks still refer to themselves as negroes anymore.

racerboy71 said:

terms may change, but when negro was the go to not offensive term to use for black people, or african americans or w/e you want to call them, when and how did it become offensive now?

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i'm not sure how or when, just that it somehow did.

it poses me no issue to say "black" instead of "negro".

And Then There Were None is a detective novel by Agatha Christie. It was first published in the United Kingdom by the Collins Crime Club on 6 November 1939[SUP][1][/SUP] as Ten Little Niggers, after the British nursery rhyme which serves as a major plot point.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] The title was changed to the last line of the rhyme – And Then There Were None – for the first American edition, which used the original American version of the song.[SUP][4][/SUP] That song title, "Ten Little Indians", was used for some editions, until the Christie estate formally approved the US title of the work

ChesusRice said:

And Then There Were None is a detective novel by Agatha Christie. It was first published in the United Kingdom by the Collins Crime Club on 6 November 1939[SUP][1][/SUP] as Ten Little Niggers, after the British nursery rhyme which serves as a major plot point.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] The title was changed to the last line of the rhyme – And Then There Were None – for the first American edition, which used the original American version of the song.[SUP][4][/SUP] That song title, "Ten Little Indians", was used for some editions, until the Christie estate formally approved the US title of the work

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who do you see arguing nigger as being non offensive?

UncleBuck said:

i'm not sure how or when, just that it somehow did.

it poses me no issue to say "black" instead of "negro".

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You know both those words literally mean the same thing, right?

So it's offensive when a Spanish person describes a black person but not an English speaker?

ChesusRice said:

New York (CNN) -- "Yes, I identify as black or African-American, but I am not a Negro," said a 25-year-old teacher from New York City.
On Monday, when Raeana Roberson took the day off from work to report for jury selection, she was not prepared for what she called an offensive and disgusting experience.
The juror information card all prospective jurors have to fill out included a race category that included, "Black, African-American, or Negro."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/11/us/new-york-juror-form-negro/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

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Get a life idiot. If this is the sum total of the shit you worry about I feel sorry for you.

see4 said:

that person has very nice penmanship

and what does it being 2014, have to do with anything?

"the sky is blue!" ... "it's 2014!"

"i have a bulbous erection!" ... "it's 2014!"

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I'd have thought that would be the idea that it's 2014, how are we still being racist (in much the same way we might talk about slavery and say this is the 21st centuary, and so forth). Irony being she doesn't have a clue. I mean hell, negro is in the census for the reasons racerboy stated.

Harrekin said:

You know both those words literally mean the same thing, right?

So it's offensive when a Spanish person describes a black person but not an English speaker?

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thank you, negro means black in spanish, how is that offensive, i fail to see it myself..