New Zealand outdoor thread 2013/14 (all kiwis post!)

[Letstrip]

They just need to be fed, looks like a bit of calcium deficiency as well. You said you weren't feeding them, and they have no cots so no way to feed themselves; the cheap crap you're growing in probably has slow release pellets that don't provide enough nutrients to keep the plant fed.You shouldn't need to let bottled water sit for 24 hours. It shouldn't have any chlorine in it anyway.

Look for flairform cmx, it's like calmag but it supplements all micro elements as well as calmag and iron and here in auckland where the tap water is only 55 ppm, you'll need to supplement calcium and magnesium.

You might want to consider growing in coco. It's alot faster than soil and alot easier. Grab a bag of coco ($26) and a bag of perlite, then grab nutrifield or canna coco a&b ($36). I've never burnt my plants using nutrifield a&b and i feed every watering and have perfectly green plants following the directions on the bottle (less when they're younger)

It's a bit of an investment but you'll be happy with the ease of growing. Most potting mixes sold here in NZ come with fertilizers so being in full control of nutrients is another bonus with coco. I use the same coco and perlite for 3 grows before changing with no problems, all it is is ground up coconut husk, no mess.

Sweet as can I just use veg liquid ferts? Should I start with 1/4 the strength or go straight into full nutrients. Im just gonna use what ive got in the shed which is nitrosoil.
Yeah this shit is honestly cheap as shit and it looks like it has slow release ferts in it so Im guessing that's why ive got problems.

And you mean this stuff right? http://www.easygrow.co.nz/nutrient-additive/746-flairform-cmx-1l.html
Also would a foiler feed of this work if I cant get the other stuff? http://www.easygrow.co.nz/soil-nutrients/170-yates-dolomite-lime-3kg.html

Algood I will defiantly consider the coco idea itd be much better for starting my plants of until they get put outsid and Im happy to invest. Are you doing any outdoors this coming season?
Also were can I get something to test my ph and ph up and down solution or what would you recommend?

Cheers for the help mate

 

[FresnoFarmer]

Cant wait for our season to end and yours to start.

 

[dimebong]

Sweet as can I just use veg liquid ferts? Should I start with 1/4 the strength or go straight into full nutrients. Im just gonna use what ive got in the shed which is nitrosoil.
Yeah this shit is honestly cheap as shit and it looks like it has slow release ferts in it so Im guessing that's why ive got problems.

And you mean this stuff right? http://www.easygrow.co.nz/nutrient-additive/746-flairform-cmx-1l.html
Also would a foiler feed of this work if I cant get the other stuff? http://www.easygrow.co.nz/soil-nutrients/170-yates-dolomite-lime-3kg.html

Algood I will defiantly consider the coco idea itd be much better for starting my plants of until they get put outsid and Im happy to invest. Are you doing any outdoors this coming season?
Also were can I get something to test my ph and ph up and down solution or what would you recommend?

Cheers for the help mate

The slow release ferts don't really cause problems with feeding in my experience, it just lasts too long and i like the medium to be nutrient free for the last week and a half of flower. The cheap slow release nutes usually aren't enough to feed the plant so you have to dial in the nitrosol, you should start at 1/4 strength. Keep an eye on the leaf tips and new growth. Nitrogen toxicity will be the first sign of overfeeding with nitrosol. Nitrogen tox starts with burnt tips then the leaves turn from soft green (healthy leaves feel soft and a bit moist) to a glossy dark green and the leaf surfaces feel dry and papery. You can see the glossy dark patches slowly cover the leaftop over time, that is an obvious sign of overfeeding, glossy dark green leaves. With my grow, if the leaf tips aren't burnt from overfeeding and my plants look sick, i just need to feed more, because everything else is kept the same, ph,, temps, regular flushing ect..

Dolomite is powdered rock so it's really only good for soil conditioning. Don't get the flairform drop ph test kits, the new test formula is barely readable compared to the last formula which was decent.

The two bigger plants here were from when i used to grow in warehouse soil (with perlite and dolomite added) using nitrosol:

 

[ruby fruit]

Cant wait for our season to end and yours to start.

That is something I say to myself every day lol

 

[Letstrip]

That is something I say to myself every day lol

Hahaha me to

 

[Letstrip]

The slow release ferts don't really cause problems with feeding in my experience, it just lasts too long and i like the medium to be nutrient free for the last week and a half of flower. The cheap slow release nutes usually aren't enough to feed the plant so you have to dial in the nitrosol, you should start at 1/4 strength. Keep an eye on the leaf tips and new growth. Nitrogen toxicity will be the first sign of overfeeding with nitrosol. Nitrogen tox starts with burnt tips then the leaves turn from soft green (healthy leaves feel soft and a bit moist) to a glossy dark green and the leaf surfaces feel dry and papery. You can see the glossy dark patches slowly cover the leaftop over time, that is an obvious sign of overfeeding, glossy dark green leaves. With my grow, if the leaf tips aren't burnt from overfeeding and my plants look sick, i just need to feed more, because everything else is kept the same, ph,, temps, regular flushing ect..

Dolomite is powdered rock so it's really only good for soil conditioning. Don't get the flairform drop ph test kits, the new test formula is barely readable compared to the last formula which was decent.

The two bigger plants here were from when i used to grow in warehouse soil (with perlite and dolomite added) using nitrosol:

Yea fair enough that makes sense and Ill probably get around to trying the coco in future grows. I fed them some nitro soil it said use 5ml per 1 litre so i gave them 1.5ml to a litre of water and then just gave them 250mls of the solution each. So how often should I feed them,not every time I water right? And when should I up the nutes? Sweet as yea Ill keep and eye out for over feeding. I only gave them the Nitrosoil yesterday and they've already picked up in growth.

Those plants with the nitro soil look algood!

 

[ruby fruit]

I think nitrosol is only good for veg might be wrong

 

[dimebong]

Yea fair enough that makes sense and Ill probably get around to trying the coco in future grows. I fed them some nitro soil it said use 5ml per 1 litre so i gave them 1.5ml to a litre of water and then just gave them 250mls of the solution each. So how often should I feed them,not every time I water right? And when should I up the nutes? Sweet as yea Ill keep and eye out for over feeding. I only gave them the Nitrosoil yesterday and they've already picked up in growth.

Those plants with the nitro soil look algood!

My plants needed to be watered about twice a week so i fed once, then watered with plain water for the rest of the week. You'll get the hang of the feeding after a couple of harvests and i'm sure you'll be able to judge when to up the nutes. The most obvious sign on my plants when i need to up the nutrients are yellow lower leaves (N deficiency) and the stem starts turning purple, i can tell i've fixed the problem when the new growth starts coming out healthy and the new length of mainstem that grows is nice and green and the purple on the lower part of the stem stops developing, i can tell if i've gone too far if i see burnt tips the next day, or the leaves get too dark. If i don't up the nutrients the plants start to look sickly and the leaves turn lime green.

Post a pic in a few days so i can see if they're burnt. 5ml/L would definitely burn them in my experience, i think i only got up to 2.5ml/L by the end of veg

Regarding the 'benfranklin' guy in your thread; your plants are just underfed, there is no need to pinpoint every element that are showing signs of deficiency. Also, a TDS/PPM meter won't work with organic nutrients like nitrosol, it only works with synthetic nutrients and you won't really find much use for it in a soil grow even if you do switch to synthetic nutes.

 

[crazykiwi420]

Hey guys.

Been real busy with a new job and shit. So amped for the season coming up, gonna start looking for places soon since the daylight hours are getting longer. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=285318 Here's my Orient Express strain I've got going under 1800 watts of HID.
Also have a Black Domina x G13 strain beside them going which seems to be one of the best plant structures I've had along with OE too.

Regarding Te Puke Thunder; used to kick ass way back in the day because it was most likely derived from a landrace sativa(hippy trail in the 70's) but probably sucks now or doesn't exist.

If anyone has Te Kakariki I'll be keen to swap some clones haha.

@ Letstrip definitely grow Cotton Candy bro, people in auckland have said they've never had weed like it before lol. real strong.

@ possum problem, cages tied out back to branches,tress etc will keep em away.

When's everyone going to put plants out this year? I'm thinking very early November.

 

[dimebong]

Definately keen to try an outdoor grow this year now that i've got some wheels and extra seeds to waste.

 

[Letstrip]

My plants needed to be watered about twice a week so i fed once, then watered with plain water for the rest of the week. You'll get the hang of the feeding after a couple of harvests and i'm sure you'll be able to judge when to up the nutes. The most obvious sign on my plants when i need to up the nutrients are yellow lower leaves (N deficiency) and the stem starts turning purple, i can tell i've fixed the problem when the new growth starts coming out healthy and the new length of mainstem that grows is nice and green and the purple on the lower part of the stem stops developing, i can tell if i've gone too far if i see burnt tips the next day, or the leaves get too dark. If i don't up the nutrients the plants start to look sickly and the leaves turn lime green.

Post a pic in a few days so i can see if they're burnt. 5ml/L would definitely burn them in my experience, i think i only got up to 2.5ml/L by the end of veg

Regarding the 'benfranklin' guy in your thread; your plants are just underfed, there is no need to pinpoint every element that are showing signs of deficiency. Also, a TDS/PPM meter won't work with organic nutrients like nitrosol, it only works with synthetic nutrients and you won't really find much use for it in a soil grow even if you do switch to synthetic nutes.

Thanks mate so feed them once and the rest of the time just water them? I will defiantly get used to whe nthey need feeding and Im thinking they may need feeding becasue as you mentioned when they need feeding the stems will go purple and the bottom leaves will go yellow and I can see purple stems and the start of a little yellowing however all the new growth looks great!

Ill put some more pictures up on my thread so you can check them out and see what you think.

 

[Letstrip]

Hey guys.

Been real busy with a new job and shit. So amped for the season coming up, gonna start looking for places soon since the daylight hours are getting longer. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=285318 Here's my Orient Express strain I've got going under 1800 watts of HID.
Also have a Black Domina x G13 strain beside them going which seems to be one of the best plant structures I've had along with OE too.

Regarding Te Puke Thunder; used to kick ass way back in the day because it was most likely derived from a landrace sativa(hippy trail in the 70's) but probably sucks now or doesn't exist.

If anyone has Te Kakariki I'll be keen to swap some clones haha.

@ Letstrip definitely grow Cotton Candy bro, people in auckland have said they've never had weed like it before lol. real strong.

@ possum problem, cages tied out back to branches,tress etc will keep em away.

When's everyone going to put plants out this year? I'm thinking very early November.

Welcome back CK! Im pretty amped for the season myself I checked out your OE thread and shes looking beautiful.
Thinking I might just have to get one of these cotton candy's going they sounds amazing. Got any pics of those cotton candy and Taskenti you've got going atm?

Oh yea also anyone whos looking at putting plants out this coming season check this out. Just put your latitude in and go to which month you want and you can see when the best time to put your plants out is. Looks like itl be late October to early November for me.
Link: http://astro.unl.edu/classaction/animations/coordsmotion/daylighthoursexplorer.html

 

[Letstrip]

Hey guys clearly its the wrong time of year to be growing but I either had to put these little plants outside or kill them so they're out the back of my place so well see what they do
Either flower or keep vegging idk. They don't seem to mind the cold, maybe becasue they're acclimatised now? They're the seeds of my hermie plant last season. They have sort of slowed down though. I really want to know the sex of them! I still need to drill more holes in the bottom becasue the drainage sucks.

Ignore the little patches on the leaves its just Dolomite lime.

 

[dimebong]

Hey guys clearly its the wrong time of year to be growing but I either had to put these little plants outside or kill them so they're out the back of my place so well see what they do
Either flower or keep vegging idk. They don't seem to mind the cold, maybe becasue they're acclimatised now? They're the seeds of my hermie plant last season. They have sort of slowed down though. I really want to know the sex of them! I still need to drill more holes in the bottom becasue the drainage sucks.

Ignore the little patches on the leaves its just Dolomite lime.

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lol why are you spraying powdered rock on the leaves? It doesn't dissolve in water, it just suspends in water. You'd be better off picking up a $3 bag of epsom salts from the supermarket, but that will only tackle mag.

 

[dankdope]

Hey guys.

Been real busy with a new job and shit. So amped for the season coming up, gonna start looking for places soon since the daylight hours are getting longer. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=285318 Here's my Orient Express strain I've got going under 1800 watts of HID.
Also have a Black Domina x G13 strain beside them going which seems to be one of the best plant structures I've had along with OE too.

Regarding Te Puke Thunder; used to kick ass way back in the day because it was most likely derived from a landrace sativa(hippy trail in the 70's) but probably sucks now or doesn't exist.

If anyone has Te Kakariki I'll be keen to swap some clones haha.

@ Letstrip definitely grow Cotton Candy bro, people in auckland have said they've never had weed like it before lol. real strong.

@ possum problem, cages tied out back to branches,tress etc will keep em away.

When's everyone going to put plants out this year? I'm thinking very early November.

those look nice CK. why do you fellas up north wait till November to get things going???? all my mates in south island that grow always aim to be planting 1-2ft outdoors on or just before 20th October. they don't take off like they do starting em in nov but they get there root mass growing and when they start growing its unreal.

you could grow absolute monsters in your climate if you got them out 3 or 4 weeks earlier, if youre using clones youll have to wean them to match daylight hours, don't just go from 18hrs to outside slowly cut them to 13-14hrs over 2 weeks before you put them out will stop any early bud / reveg issues.

what are you Guys looking at putting outside this season? ive got a bunch of blue dream seeds to try ( cali conections and HSO) and a few other strains cant wait.

 

[Letstrip]

lol why are you spraying powdered rock on the leaves? It doesn't dissolve in water, it just suspends in water. You'd be better off picking up a $3 bag of epsom salts from the supermarket, but that will only tackle mag.

Shit my bad! Waste of time Hahaha Epsom salts it is! I haven't had any more rusting only the magnesium def looking foliage coming out.

 

[Letstrip]

, if youre using clones youll have to wean them to match daylight hours, don't just go from 18hrs to outside slowly cut them to 13-14hrs over 2 weeks before you put them out will stop any early bud / reveg issues.

what are you Guys looking at putting outside this season?

Do you still have to wean them if your growing from seed or is that just for clones?

And my line up for this coming season is:
LSD
Panama
Panama DC
Taskenti
Cotton Candy (Maybe)
And possibly something else if I do a trade.

 

[dankdope]

depends how far along your seed plants are, I guess if theyre mature and ready to flower then you may have the same issues as with clones but anything under 8-10 weeks old should be fine id say, I aint no expert tho youmay want to do some googling, mine were fine last year and they were 3 foot when I put them out

 

[crazykiwi420]

Welcome back CK! Im pretty amped for the season myself I checked out your OE thread and shes looking beautiful.
Thinking I might just have to get one of these cotton candy's going they sounds amazing. Got any pics of those cotton candy and Taskenti you've got going atm?

Oh yea also anyone whos looking at putting plants out this coming season check this out. Just put your latitude in and go to which month you want and you can see when the best time to put your plants out is. Looks like itl be late October to early November for me.
Link: http://astro.unl.edu/classaction/animations/coordsmotion/daylighthoursexplorer.html

Cheers bro, yeah man it's one of those intense strong sour lemon dutch hybrids. Na I've got Black Domina x g13 going with 4 OE, 3 vietnamese pheno clones and a chinese pheno mother that's really thick and short which is pretty cool.

Yeah I've looked at those daylight hour explorer thing but it all depends on the season, 2012 the growing season only started november and 2013 was real early like late september-october. From all the old school growers they say to put clones out when the weather is perfect and they just take off like there's no tomorrow.

I'll be keen for that trade real soon bro, I'll pm you.

those look nice CK. why do you fellas up north wait till November to get things going???? all my mates in south island that grow always aim to be planting 1-2ft outdoors on or just before 20th October. they don't take off like they do starting em in nov but they get there root mass growing and when they start growing its unreal.

you could grow absolute monsters in your climate if you got them out 3 or 4 weeks earlier, if youre using clones youll have to wean them to match daylight hours, don't just go from 18hrs to outside slowly cut them to 13-14hrs over 2 weeks before you put them out will stop any early bud / reveg issues.

what are you Guys looking at putting outside this season? ive got a bunch of blue dream seeds to try ( cali conections and HSO) and a few other strains cant wait.

Unlike you lucky bastards there's shit loads of people up here ready to steal our stuff and we just don't have the country to get away with 15-20 ft plants( in Tauranga anyway) that break with the winds. Shit if I had land I'd grow 20 ft monsters and grow in glasshouse's etc and plant early as too. Yeah I know about the whole clone and seed differences outdoors, 15/9 is good for mid-late october.

I'm keen plant some Orient Express and Panama Deep Chunk(Afghani hashplant with Panama sativa F1)
Might also plant some G13/Black Domina depending on how the smoke turns out, I'll chuck some pics up of it

 

[aussie originals]

im flying to the south island from aus in 2 days, cant wait