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lampshade

lampshade

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smokinHerbOnDaCurb said:
Does any one else need of assitance
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Ok ive been researching this for a while, maybe you have some extra info i dont. Why is red so important during flowering. I mean clearly aside from lumens, an hps produces more flowers per watt than a MH.

I was wondering why this is, people say they use red more effeciently during flower, well how the fuck do they do that.

So im assuming it has something to do with phytochrome.

Phytochrome is a flourophore. Flourophores are basically something that absorbs and reflects light. THere are two forms of phytochrome. Pf and Pfr, Pf absorbs red light and becomes Pfr, at night the Pfr slowly converts back to Pf. Pfr however absorbs Infrared. when exsposed to infrared pfr converts back to Pf much quicker.

Okay now, Pfr STOPS flowering, so you would assume that all the red light that an hps puts out would suppres Pf and stimulate Pfr (during the day at least, compared to a MH).

Any help or ideas mate?
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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lampshade said:
Ok ive been researching this for a while, maybe you have some extra info i dont. Why is red so important during flowering. I mean clearly aside from lumens, an hps produces more flowers per watt than a MH.

I was wondering why this is, people say they use red more effeciently during flower, well how the fuck do they do that.

So im assuming it has something to do with phytochrome.

Phytochrome is a flourophore. Flourophores are basically something that absorbs and reflects light. THere are two forms of phytochrome. Pf and Pfr, Pf absorbs red light and becomes Pfr, at night the Pfr slowly converts back to Pf. Pfr however absorbs Infrared. when exsposed to infrared pfr converts back to Pf much quicker.

Okay now, Pfr STOPS flowering, so you would assume that all the red light that an hps puts out would suppres Pf and stimulate Pfr (during the day at least, compared to a MH).

Any help or ideas mate?
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Alright i gunna make this rrrrreaaaaaalllll easy without all the technical terms. IN nature naturall the sun gives awy a higher luman amount the the fall near winter. During the fall the plant senses that winter is coming since daylight is runnin shorter and produces flowers(buds) for the male to fertilize and produce seeds for the babies. During the winter time the sun is closer to the bottom of the earth and it omits more of a red spectrum light. the plant any plant simply reacts better to a light with more red. It is in its genes and trust me the marijuana we grow now is on a leash. So we can put our hoes in line so they can do us a fav and produce some good old bud.
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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jimmy130380 said:
hey dude i got a quick one 4 ya
i have 6 plants in a aero setup
they are 5 weeks old 1 foot tall
i would like to put them in dirt
what is the best method of transplant for hydro to soil
they r in net cup with rw and clayballs
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Why ??? any way does the pot holding the roots have thick strands of plastic acause you can cut em and transplant the root ball into the soil but this might be stressing cause there is a lot of roots that if planted into soil are spread out into the soil so if i were you i would keep it aero + it will yeild better.
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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What i meant the roots are buched up and hangin it will kinda be hard to put into the soil when the roots (at this period of time if started in soil a seedling stage) are rooted into the soil. It might be hard for the plant to adapt to a different medium. Weel ther eis a transplant chemical that helps the plant get through transplanting shock. give it a try but if you dont wanna risk em dont.
 
jimmy130380

jimmy130380

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i would love to leave it where it is but
the room is about to be used
and outside is the only place for them
what about outdoor hydro
dwc buckets
 
lampshade

lampshade

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Im sorry smokinherbondacurb, but i feel you did not answer my question. I know what you posted. People dont have a reason, they simply say thats just the way it is. I know there is more red during the fall, but its only during sunset and sunrise, otherwise during midday, the sun is just as blue and red as always. Also the amount of read or blue in the sun depends on what latitude you live, its much more blue at 50 degrees than it is a 30 degrees latt.

I would like to know the science behind it. However florigen and the flowering process is not understood at all and when comparing long and short day plants it gets even weirder. some chemicals (or light pattern) that make some short days flower will actually stop a long day from flowering and vice versa.

Anyone else know more on red spectrum's and how they induce florigen.
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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jimmy130380 said:
i would love to leave it where it is but
the room is about to be used
and outside is the only place for them
what about outdoor hydro
dwc buckets
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As long as you get te whole root ball and make sure there is aenogh room for whole plant life growth. Get the transplanting chemical to go an extra step.
try to carefully spread out the roots.
 
StephyIsYourGod

StephyIsYourGod

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okay. i need some help, i have 16 plants and they are about 2weeks old. they are all looking sooo beautiful and healthy besides one. this one plant is treated the same as the others keep in mind, but its condition isnt too good. this plants tips of its leaves stated to yellow, now they are completly brown(just the tips still), but the rest of the plant looks very healthy and green and its also still growing. i planted 8,then in a few days planted another 8. of the last batch of 8, this plant thata sick sprouted last. in a few days tho this plant had a yellow tint to its oval starting leaves with a small brown spot. above is what has happened to it in just a few days. i honestly have no idea what it could be because all of th plants look fine besides this one. please help, i fear itll die in the next 5 days.
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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lampshade said:
Im sorry smokinherbondacurb, but i feel you did not answer my question. I know what you posted. People dont have a reason, they simply say thats just the way it is. I know there is more red during the fall, but its only during sunset and sunrise, otherwise during midday, the sun is just as blue and red as always. Also the amount of read or blue in the sun depends on what latitude you live, its much more blue at 50 degrees than it is a 30 degrees latt.

I would like to know the science behind it. However florigen and the flowering process is not understood at all and when comparing long and short day plants it gets even weirder. some chemicals (or light pattern) that make some short days flower will actually stop a long day from flowering and vice versa.

Anyone else know more on red spectrum's and how they induce florigen.
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Srry I did not fully anser your question but it kinda is the freaky things that exist and you need as scientist, a biologist and a translater for all the long words all in one room with you for some one to fully understand the idea. It is a far out topic though some people just think marijuana grows for some reason that they take out of their asses but u have a point. Good thinkin ssry agian it is a far out topic.
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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StephyIsYourGod said:
okay. i need some help, i have 16 plants and they are about 2weeks old. they are all looking sooo beautiful and healthy besides one. this one plant is treated the same as the others keep in mind, but its condition isnt too good. this plants tips of its leaves stated to yellow, now they are completly brown(just the tips still), but the rest of the plant looks very healthy and green and its also still growing. i planted 8,then in a few days planted another 8. of the last batch of 8, this plant thata sick sprouted last. in a few days tho this plant had a yellow tint to its oval starting leaves with a small brown spot. above is what has happened to it in just a few days. i honestly have no idea what it could be because all of th plants look fine besides this one. please help, i fear itll die in the next 5 days.
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Have you checked ph, over watering lights too close, heat, over fertilization just given ideas to check on. Is you wall lined with aluminum foil cause I heard from some ppl i have helped that the lights reflected and its light rays basically roasted one plant. Out of the other.
 
lampshade

lampshade

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Dont be srry at all, i appreciate the input, i just saw you were answering question, so i thought i would throw you a curve ball. Maybe even stimulate some people out there to look into it. Im a turf science major so thats the only reason i know the terminology and science.
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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lampshade said:
Dont be srry at all, i appreciate the input, i just saw you were answering question, so i thought i would throw you a curve ball. Maybe even stimulate some people out there to look into it. Im a turf science major so thats the only reason i know the terminology and science.
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Yep, If u need any help(u probably dont) im her anything ither than science terminology.
Pretty smart for a stoner.
 
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zebra

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help!!! Ive already made a thread but no1 replying. I have 2 plants (NL and WR) in 5th week of flowering. The problem is the WR buds are so small for 5 weeks of flowering. Its still mostly hairs with no calyx forming yet but the leaves are full of thc and all the fan leaves are still green. Shouldn't the bottom leaves be dieing by now? The NL is completely opposite, forming big bud, bottom leaves dieing, barely any thc but thats how it was with my first NL producing thc really late. Im thinking its either nute lockout due to salt buildup or wrong pH. Cuz i been feeding it with 6.0 pH water and i just saw a pH chart and it says phosphorus is only available for plants in soil with 6.5-7.5 pH. Is it a good idea to flush this late into flower? How should i flush it? Its in a 2gal pot, 1.5ft tall, and water once a week on thursday. If its somthing else thats causing the bud to not develop please let me know.:eyesmoke:
 
StephyIsYourGod

StephyIsYourGod

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my walls are lined with aluminum foil, i have not checked the ph yet, i was going to wait about two more weeks to do that, i myself was thinking about the fertilization, but wouldnt it be in all my plants? same thing with the watering. it may be getting burned from the lights, ill move them up 2inches for sure. but is there anything you think i should try before the others?
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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zebra said:
help!!! Ive already made a thread but no1 replying. I have 2 plants (NL and WR) in 5th week of flowering. The problem is the WR buds are so small for 5 weeks of flowering. Its still mostly hairs with no calyx forming yet but the leaves are full of thc and all the fan leaves are still green. Shouldn't the bottom leaves be dieing by now? The NL is completely opposite, forming big bud, bottom leaves dieing, barely any thc but thats how it was with my first NL producing thc really late. Im thinking its either nute lockout due to salt buildup or wrong pH. Cuz i been feeding it with 6.0 pH water and i just saw a pH chart and it says phosphorus is only available for plants in soil with 6.5-7.5 pH. Is it a good idea to flush this late into flower? How should i flush it? Its in a 2gal pot, 1.5ft tall, and water once a week on thursday. If its somthing else thats causing the bud to not develop please let me know.:eyesmoke:
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6.0 is not too acidic. It could be your lights. Or your feeding get a fertilizer with high phophrus max bloom or somethin like that. 8-34-8. It usually takes 8-10 weeks for flowering to end and for the pistils and hairs turn amberer. Wait longer thll get bigger.
 
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smokinHerbOnDaCurb

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StephyIsYourGod said:
my walls are lined with aluminum foil, i have not checked the ph yet, i was going to wait about two more weeks to do that, i myself was thinking about the fertilization, but wouldnt it be in all my plants? same thing with the watering. it may be getting burned from the lights, ill move them up 2inches for sure. but is there anything you think i should try before the others?
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Go look on the web for maybe a defieciency diagnosis. cause i have to go srry. Good luck.
 
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