Nitrogen!

i know this thread is years old but a great read none the less how about using advanced nutrients grow micro bloom at all equal parts in flower was thinking about picking some up im having that problem now loss of leaf color due 2 not a enough N in flower nutes

try it out and see what happens, regardless you'll learn something.

BTW what are the Final N-P-K values of the nutes you're mixing? That alone should help you make up your mind.

The thing about AN is you can grow a good crop with it, but how much are you willing to spend, and how many bottles of USELESS shit are you willing to concoct? You can get the same results for MUCH cheaper. There is no need to o out and buy what equates to useless bottles of water with fancy labels on it when you can go get a complete dry formula that has worked for years....

AN=overpriced and over rated. If you have to add 20different things thru out a grow. Then it's 1 of 2 things. Either the nutes are bs, or it's a friggin rip off

Who was worse, Hitler or the mindless followers that obeyed and carried out his wishes? Hmmm

oaksterdamn31 said:

Look UB, we all know you don't like AN and that you think their products are crap. But comparing Big Mike to Hitler?

That's a little much, isn't it?

I like it better when you back up your arguments with proof. That seems legit to me, and like something I would actually listen to. When it comes to sort of calling names (and really, Hitler was much worse than anyone...that's an awful comparisons), that's when I check out.

You're a smarter guy than that UB, tell us the facts, back em up, and then we can all be wowed by your excellence.

Name calling? That's for 12 year olds.

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80degreez said:

Who was worse, Hitler or the mindless followers that obeyed and carried out his wishes? Hmmm

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I'm pretty sure that most people would agree - Hitler was much worse! He knew exactly what he was doing.

Most of his "followers" never saw the "Big Picture" till after WW II. Why do you think he built a "Concentration Camp" in Auschwitz, Poland instead of Frankfurt, Germany? Hmmm

I won't give the answer, but I will give you information to think about so you can see the answer.

What happens during the first two weeks of flowering and what is needed?

a. Does it grow flowers

b. Stretch

What happens during weeks 3-*(depending on strain) and what do you need?

a. grow flowers

b. stretch

what happens last 2 weeks of flowering and what do you need?


a. grow flowers

b. swell

personally, i get decent yield even when my plants turn yellow 4-5 weeks into budding ... I let them finish without feeding ( I grow in SuperSoil,... my own recipe, and I re-use it! ) It usually produce the best tasting cannabis in my experience. Ideally I prefer if they start yellowing 2-3 weeks before harvest but I found that when they yellow at week 4-5, I have already fucked up and it's better to let them go.

T.H.Cammo said:

I'm pretty sure that most people would agree - Hitler was much worse! He knew exactly what he was doing.

Most of his "followers" never saw the "Big Picture" till after WW II. Why do you think he built a "Concentration Camp" in Auschwitz, Poland instead of Frankfurt, Germany? Hmmm

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Same with Obama and the lemmings that believed in his Messiah stuff.

Who wouldn't want to be an:
"ADVANCED Grower" in need of an advanced product....
Marketing to those that believe with this little bottle will make them "Advanced"

Sand4x105 said:

Who wouldn't want to be an:
"ADVANCED Grower" in need of an advanced product....
Marketing to those that believe with this little bottle will make them "Advanced"

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Like UB says..: ''100 flies in a pile of shiet can't be wrong''

great vid. glad i found it.

Without looking at the video or reading every post I am going to say this...

First, look at the recommended feeding schedule for AN. If it is like Fox Farms, you will continue using the VEG nutrients with the Bloom nutrients until midway through flower.
Then go back and look at the chart and see how the combination feeding lines up with the chart.
I am also willing to say without seeing the video and charts that the need for nitrogen (and other nutrients) drops at the end of flowering.

althor said:

First, look at the recommended feeding schedule for AN.

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Yeah, it's crap, like any feeding schedule. You can not put a plant on a stupid cannabis specific feeding schedule and expect it to work. This aint no black and white thang. You have to learn to read your plants, get off the charts teat, and eventually understand what makes a plant tick. Charts and feeding schedules are for creeps.

I am also willing to say without seeing the video and charts that the need for nitrogen (and other nutrients) drops at the end of flowering.

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Yep, everything drops at the end of flowering, but not to the point of starvation. Point is, you feed plants based on their vigor...bulking up or not drills.

Uncle Ben

I grew these for pennies using Jack's Classic:

lilroach said:

I grew these for pennies using Jack's Classic:

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smack some kids with it.

Can't argue with success! Soil, Jack's and some good old homeboy common sense - easy peasy.

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Stoned Drifter said:

came across the analysis report.

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Very interesting and confirms my recommendations for years - standard 3-1-2 for veg (soil) and my latest recommendation for flowering - Jack Citrus FeED a 20-10-20. BUT, begs some quesitons, what ratios had they been using upon those tests, did they do leaf petiole analysis?

Long ago I was recommending Jack's 10-30-20 and still do but with a caveat - if the leaves start turning a (premature) yellow and/or chlorotic, switch back to a more balance NPK or perhaps high N.

Nice work!

Uncle Ben

Hello everyone

I am a newb at this and in the first couple of days into 12/12. I have read, researched for about 8mo before I dropped seed one. I decided to use the Happy Frog products due to availability and price ... which has been working great so far. (6 weeks veg).
I use the HF tomato and veg (7-4-5) here and just purchased the HF fruit and flower (5-8-4) here. The 5-8-4 seems like a pretty decent ratio, but I cant help but wonder if I mix equal parts of each, will it be (12-12-9) or (1-1-.75) ... is that how it works ?
My thought was, to raise the P a bit while maintaining a decent N ? And the K, not far behind.

Any thoughts ...
Thanks guys ... you are a wealth of information.

btw UB ... your The Never Ending Abuse of Phosphorous (Bloom foods) to Enhance Flowering was about the 3rd "article" i read, and found it the best fit for my way of thinking. Thanks a lot for your time and knowledge
In fact thank you all that contribute to the community ...

TM