NO! On Prop 19

nathenking said:
the gov't fucks up everything... this will be no different... everybody that thinks this is gonna be some kind of miracle is sadly mistaken... any thing the gov't touches they ruin... this will be no different and you know this...
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This is precisely the reason why you should vote for 19, to get the f@#$ing government out of people's lives. Why do you think the government has come down so hard against 19? Do you really want to align yourself with the past 6 drug czars? Are you gonna be holding Lee Baca's balls for him while he is cracking the skulls of law-abiding citizens after 19 passes? Take a look at who your allies are in opposing 19, that alone ought to let you know you are on the wrong side of this.
 
desert dude said:
This is precisely the reason why you should vote for 19, to get the f@#$ing government out of people's lives. Why do you think the government has come down so hard against 19? Do you really want to align yourself with the past 6 drug czars? Are you gonna be holding Lee Baca's balls for him while he is cracking the skulls of law-abiding citizens after 19 passes? Take a look at who your allies are in opposing 19, that alone ought to let you know you are on the wrong side of this.
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Logic escapes him. It's all about profit, and prop 19 cuts into that.
 
desert dude said:
This is precisely the reason why you should vote for 19, to get the f@#$ing government out of people's lives. Why do you think the government has come down so hard against 19? Do you really want to align yourself with the past 6 drug czars? Are you gonna be holding Lee Baca's balls for him while he is cracking the skulls of law-abiding citizens after 19 passes? Take a look at who your allies are in opposing 19, that alone ought to let you know you are on the wrong side of this.
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I've tried explaining that several times. They won't hear that. The logic of what is better for most people doesn't count when you're talking about people's jobs. I know lots of people who fear they will be out of work if prop 19 passes. That's the bottom line for them. To an extent that is an understandable position IMO.
 
desert dude said:
True. But maybe the simple shame of licking the drug czars' balls will at least make him (and others) hang their heads and slip away quietly.
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No, the money they bring in is too much. They can't lose their lifestyle and will do anything, say anything to keep it. Even if it means spreading lies about prop 19. They make a living doing nothing. How great is that? The thought of a normal 9-5 scares them. The thought of cutting back. They would probably take it up the ass from a drug czar if it meant them still making what they make from selling their marijuana. They have no shame, and that is the worst type of person.
 
mr2shim said:
No, the money they bring in is too much. They can't lose their lifestyle and wilil do anyhting, say anything to keep it. Even if it means spreading lies about prop 19.
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Voting against prop 19 because you're afraid of losing your source of income is understandable. Lying and creating irrational fear about prop 19 is inexcusable. That's the part that gets me. If these people would just come out and lay out their real reasons for opposing prop 19 we could have a real discussion about those things. I would be much more open to hearing them out on that. But this misinformation campaign they are on is both obvious and shameful.
 
Dan Kone said:
Voting against prop 19 because you're afraid of losing your source of income is understandable. Lying and creating irrational fear about prop 19 is inexcusable. That's the part that gets me. If these people would just come out and lay out their real reasons for opposing prop 19 we could have a real discussion about those things. I would be much more open to hearing them out on that. But this misinformation campaign they are on is both obvious and shameful.
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All true. The thing of it is, I don't think the price of MJ will decline much if 19 passes because it will still be a federal crime and it will probably make CA the mecca for MJ for the other lower 48 states. That will give the dope dealers the best of both worlds, immunity from state laws and they still get to work two months per year and make a nice living.
 
desert dude said:
My opinion is that everybody should vote yes!

What are your reasons for voting no?
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well lets see because the county i live in, we are what you call a green county in california.

people in Humboldt County have been growing grass in these mountains for generations,

my father is a grower my grandfather was a grower, every 1 of my friends are 3 and 4th generation growers if and and when it go's legal its going to kill the outdoor market value, and there is NO OTHER ECONOMY in Southern Humboldt... our economy has been based on pot since the 60's...


everybody i know is voting NO.......

if you dont live were i live you will not understand how it going to effect allot of people in the mountains that have no other source of income or like allot people i know they have no other skill but the knowledge of growing. I know people that have never left these mountains. we are modern day moonshiners .

this is just my opinion.


here are some pics of a couple of my green houses to show you a peek of the level of growing thats growing on.

we are not just growing a couple hundred plants people are growing thousands up here.

I OBVIOUSLY DONT FOLLOW ANY PLANT LIMIT LAWS... LOL

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Humboldt14 said:
well lets see because the county i live in, we are what you call a green county in california.

people in Humboldt County have been growing grass in these mountains for generations,

my father is a grower my grandfather was a grower, every 1 of my friends are 3 and 4th generation growers if and and when it go's legal its going to kill the outdoor market value, and there is NO OTHER ECONOMY in Southern Humboldt... our economy has been based on pot since the 60's...


everybody i know is voting NO.......

if you dont live were i live you will not understand how it going to effect allot of people in the mountains that have no other source of income or like allot people i know they have no other skill but the knowledge of growing. I know people that have never left these mountains. we are modern day moonshiners .

this is just my opinion.


here are some pics of a couple of my green houses to show you a peek of the level of growing thats growing on.

we are not just growing a couple hundred plants people are growing thousands up here.

I OBVIOUSLY DONT FOLLOW ANY PLANT LIMIT LAWS... LOL

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Exactly brudda... I feel the same exact way... This law is set up to push out you and your fam, me and my fam and alot of good hearted people... what for, so they can make a buck... that is what i call robbing peter to pay paul... an ounce only gets you a 100 dollar fine now... and a 5X5 area is not enought for anybody to make a living off of... this isnt for the people, this is for a select few like LEE to make millions on top of there already millions and push out people that were doing it and promoting the movement before these men were wearing diapers.... its absolutly disgusting... it reminds me of corporate farms, corporate walmart, corporate insurance, corporate wall street.... does everything in this country have to make a select few rich? or can we spread the wealth around? the way it is now, there is alot of natural, normal, respectable men making a living off of MJ in Norcal.... so take there lively hood away so a few people can become multi millionaires...
 
Humboldt14 said:
well lets see because the county i live in, we are what you call a green county in california.

people in Humboldt County have been growing grass in these mountains for generations,

my father is a grower my grandfather was a grower, every 1 of my friends are 3 and 4th generation growers if and and when it go's legal its going to kill the outdoor market value, and there is NO OTHER ECONOMY in Southern Humboldt... our economy has been based on pot since the 60's...


everybody i know is voting NO.......

if you dont live were i live you will not understand how it going to effect allot of people in the mountains that have no other source of income or like allot people i know they have no other skill but the knowledge of growing. I know people that have never left these mountains. we are modern day moonshiners .

this is just my opinion.


here are some pics of a couple of my green houses to show you a peek of the level of growing thats growing on.

we are not just growing a couple hundred plants people are growing thousands up here.

I OBVIOUSLY DONT FOLLOW ANY PLANT LIMIT LAWS... LOL

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these people will never get it either norcal, they arent up in the hills, they dont see how meager these people live... its not limos and champagne up here... its alot of fucking hard god damn work, plus the risk on top of it.... some people just havnt been down like us bro, so they cant walk a mile in the shoes... cant blame them for that, but also cant respect them for that either...
 
nathenking said:
Exactly brudda... I feel the same exact way... This law is set up to push out you and your fam, me and my fam and alot of good hearted people... what for, so they can make a buck... that is what i call robbing peter to pay paul... an ounce only gets you a 100 dollar fine now... and a 5X5 area is not enought for anybody to make a living off of... this isnt for the people, this is for a select few like LEE to make millions on top of there already millions and push out people that were doing it and promoting the movement before these men were wearing diapers.... its absolutly disgusting... it reminds me of corporate farms, corporate walmart, corporate insurance, corporate wall street.... does everything in this country have to make a select few rich? or can we spread the wealth around? the way it is now, there is alot of natural, normal, respectable men making a living off of MJ in Norcal.... so take there lively hood away so a few people can become multi millionaires...
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you know exactly what i am talking about,
these fuc##n where house super grows that are about to start running in Oakland.

people need to understand we are making a living and not getting filthy rich and its all allot of us full time growers have.(multi generational)

talk about a poverty stricken county if this passes
 
Humboldt14 said:
you know exactly what i am talking about,
these fuc##n where house super grows that are about to start running in Oakland.

people need to understand we are making a living and not getting filthy rich and its all allot of us full time growers have.(multi generational)

talk about a poverty stricken county if this passes
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I know exactly what your talking about... its a god damn full time job growing alot of outdoor pot, you need people to work for you and you have to pay them... it creates jobs... and people love there jobs that is for sure, even though there not driving brand new duramax diesels, everybody gets by and its a great community... its sad that these people will ruin one of the last great and FREE places in the USA.... im so bummed just thinking about it bro....
 
nathenking said:
I know exactly what your talking about... its a god damn full time job growing alot of outdoor pot, you need people to work for you and you have to pay them... it creates jobs... and people love there jobs that is for sure, even though there not driving brand new duramax diesels, everybody gets by and its a great community... its sad that these people will ruin one of the last great and FREE places in the USA.... im so bummed just thinking about it bro....
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it realy is one of those last untouched places in these mountains,

we i live you can go months with out seeing a cop.

everybody grows with each other and we are our own community in these mountains

and yes running a large outdoor grow is a all year round thing

when we harvest it takes a couple to dry and trim, by then its december and we are preparing for next season already,

cleaning all the patches (grow sites in the woods) pots, tubing, trash.. that can take weeks

taking down all the greenhouses and replacing all the plastic which costly also, ($900.00 of plastic for each greenhouse) and takes along time if you working alone or with 1 other person

the list go's on... its allot

my point is all of this will be gone and whole generations of full time growers will be out of work
 
Well, I'm sorry, norcal growers, change is coming, and long overdue. I hear you that it's your living, and all of your relatives. So let me ask you then, have you or any of them been busted? You mentioned the risk involved of getting busted. Won't it be nice when you don't have that risk anymore? How can you vote against the chance of having that now? What if this does not pass, and the pigs come down on you hard, and take many of you out? The change in our lifestyle that results from this is inevitable, and we will have to adjust, like we always have over the years.

If Cooley gets elected AG and he wants to shut down all production, he will try. And with the defeat of Prop 19 the religious right will jump on board to stop all cannabis use. We don't need to give them any ammo, and helping to defeat Prop 19 goes against our entire cause. It's my living, too, and I know that I have to get by with whatever results.

I hope it passes, because whatever it causes, it will be an improvement for everyone.
 
potroast said:
Well, I'm sorry, norcal growers, change is coming, and long overdue. I hear you that it's your living, and all of your relatives. So let me ask you then, have you or any of them been busted? You mentioned the risk involved of getting busted. Won't it be nice when you don't have that risk anymore? How can you vote against the chance of having that now? What if this does not pass, and the pigs come down on you hard, and take many of you out? The change in our lifestyle that results from this is inevitable, and we will have to adjust, like we always have over the years.

If Cooley gets elected AG and he wants to shut down all production, he will try. And with the defeat of Prop 19 the religious right will jump on board to stop all cannabis use. We don't need to give them any ammo, and helping to defeat Prop 19 goes against our entire cause. It's my living, too, and I know that I have to get by with whatever results.

I hope it passes, because whatever it causes, it will be an improvement for everyone.
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you still dont get it... it wont be an improvement for everyone... didnt you read the last 5posts or so... alot of people will have no job, place to live man... there are losses in anything, this is no different.... there still will be risk from CAMP even after nov2, there will still be risk from the DEA... There will still be risk from the newly formed tax service from this TAX act.... there will still be risk from thiefs, there will always be risk man...

and do you think people like us really sit and thiink, what if we got caught???? shit, if everybody thought like that, there wouldnt even be a humboldt or any time of free thinking movement....
The pigs have never been able to take us out, hence the generations of growers.... its private land, suround by more private land with private roads... REAL FREEDOM!!! unless you live it, you will NOT EVER UNDERSTAND, and that is the sad reality for us all....
 
potroast said:
Well, I'm sorry, norcal growers, change is coming, and long overdue. I hear you that it's your living, and all of your relatives. So let me ask you then, have you or any of them been busted? You mentioned the risk involved of getting busted. Won't it be nice when you don't have that risk anymore? How can you vote against the chance of having that now? What if this does not pass, and the pigs come down on you hard, and take many of you out? The change in our lifestyle that results from this is inevitable, and we will have to adjust, like we always have over the years.

If Cooley gets elected AG and he wants to shut down all production, he will try. And with the defeat of Prop 19 the religious right will jump on board to stop all cannabis use. We don't need to give them any ammo, and helping to defeat Prop 19 goes against our entire cause. It's my living, too, and I know that I have to get by with whatever results.

I hope it passes, because whatever it causes, it will be an improvement for everyone.
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have i ever been busted? No

but i have had thousands of plants taken by CAMP , The Sheriffs, and DEA many many times. the 80's were the worst but that does not matter because i would much rather have some of my patches hit then legalization
 
Humboldt14 said:
my father is a grower my grandfather was a grower, every 1 of my friends are 3 and 4th generation growers if and and when it go's legal its going to kill the outdoor market value, and there is NO OTHER ECONOMY in Southern Humboldt... our economy has been based on pot since the 60's...
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I've yet to meet anyone who's going to stop growing because prop 19 passes. Why not just form a legal corporation and grow all you want?

I respect your growing tradition and everything, I'm second generation myself. But I don't understand why you can't just form a business and do it that way? All my humboldt friends feel about the same way you do about prop 19, but none are willing to take the steps necessary to grow legal. I don't get this. It doesn't matter if you guys all are against prop 19. By refusing to participate in the process you're all going to just hand over the whole industry to people from out of town.
 
Dan Kone said:
I've yet to meet anyone who's going to stop growing because prop 19 passes. Why not just form a legal corporation and grow all you want?
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well i already grow as much as i want. i have never fallowed any plant limit guidelines regardless but the legalization will kill the value so regardless if its a legal CO OP or not the value is the same right now, i consider myself a CO OP anyways, maybe not legal but still a CO OP.


if you want to smoke go get a card. LOL i just wish it will stay how it is. thats all. LOL
 
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