NO! On Prop 19

Rofl... I have been to cali more then 10 times was born in Reno and raised, have lived in Arizona and Texas then moved to Canada to live with my fiance. California is going to fuck this prop over and will set a bad example for the rest of the world.
 
Karmapuff said:
Rofl... I have been to cali more then 10 times was born in Reno and raised, have lived in Arizona and Texas then moved to Canada to live with my fiance. California is going to fuck this prop over and will set a bad example for the rest of the world.
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Voting no on a bad prop to tax and regulate is what were doing that is setting a bad example for the rest of the world??? I'm sure you could think of at least 50 things were doing to set a bad example but I don't think this is one
 
Karmapuff said:
Rofl... I have been to cali more then 10 times was born in Reno and raised, have lived in Arizona and Texas then moved to Canada to live with my fiance. California is going to fuck this prop over and will set a bad example for the rest of the world.
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ummmmmm. ok i guess i dont understand your theory behind that if Prop 19 passes that its going to fuck it up for the rest of the WORLD.


but i will be Voting NO.
 
Had the prop allowed unlimited grow space and mass profits, the anti-19 crowd would be minuscule.... It seems that more and more, it is big growers that are against 19. Ironic...
 
beardo said:
Voting no on a bad prop to tax and regulate is what were doing that is setting a bad example for the rest of the world??? I'm sure you could think of at least 50 things were doing to set a bad example but I don't think this is one
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no shit........ LOL...... what is this guy talking about?
 
beardo said:
Voting no on a bad prop to tax and regulate is what were doing that is setting a bad example for the rest of the world??? I'm sure you could think of at least 50 things were doing to set a bad example but I don't think this is one
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This is more for everyone... This is a very unique issue I'm not going to treat it like any other prop when its not. So keep in mind the many sides for this are more extreme then an average day prop.
 
Serapis said:
Had the prop allowed unlimited grow space and mass profits, the anti-19 crowd would be minuscule.... It seems that more and more, it is big growers that are against 19. Ironic...
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thats not true because us big growers up in Humboldt are all ready growing as much as we want.

you think anybody follows plant limits up here in Humboldt County. hell no!
 
Serapis said:
Had the prop allowed unlimited grow space and mass profits, the anti-19 crowd would be minuscule.... It seems that more and more, it is big growers that are against 19. Ironic...
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Wrong again-that is what 19 does which is why I oppose it, it allows huge grows and huge profits
 
beardo said:
Wrong again-that is what 19 does which is why I oppose it, it allows huge grows and huge profits
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unfortunately politicians love huge profits, the only reason that prop 215 was passed, in order to make money off of taxing dispensaries...as for the ethics involved with lying to a doctor, I would say it depends....here is an analogy, if you were pulled oveand asked if you were high would you tell the truth and get a dui?! point is that if the truth debilitates your quality of life, who in their right mind would tell it?

i personally believe that mj benefits everybody not simply the cripple or those w/ serious illnesses...who is to say that depression or a mental state of cognitive dissonance/ambiguity is any better than cancer? (obviously cancer is worse, but the seriousness of a situation depends on the individual perceiving said situation) plus its a plant that grows in the ground, even the bible states that God gave us all seed bearing plants (he didn't state that I give peyote to native americans, mj to the dutch, etc.)

I don't expect anybody to legalize because of what the bible states, but everyone can agree the bible has conservative concepts and ideals, therefore for God to say that mj is okay in moderation (along w/ alcohol) then who is our government to tell us that you can only smoke weed if you are dying of cancer? (in stricter mmj states)

It must be politics because the big 3 addictions that destroy people's lives and their families are legal and sold basically everywhere (alcohol, tobacco, and gambling)...simply illogical to me.
 
desert dude said:
"She's another that sees random testing as the only corporate response to Prop 19."

She is seriously in trouble in that case because Prop 19 precludes random drug testing, at least as it currently exists. Current testing identifies metabolites, not THC, and does not establish impairment or intoxication. Most large companies already do random drug testing because they are forced to do so by the fed under the "drug free workplace" law, so if she manages 20,000 employees she is awfully late to the game if her company does not already do random drug testing.
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You think P19 will eliminate current practices?

Personally, I think the corporate world will spend whatever is necessary to insure profits.

Her company has large, powerful unions that would not allow that chip to hit the table. Politics.

Their policy is to treat everyone equally, so management isn't randomly tested, either.

My own union sold out to insure raises that helped cover increasing medical costs, nearly 20 years ago. Politics.

Her company is self insured which means their rules are even more difficult to overcome.

The unions will lose, on this one.
 
veggiegardener said:
You think P19 will eliminate current practices?

Personally, I think the corporate world will spend whatever is necessary to insure profits.

Her company has large, powerful unions that would not allow that chip to hit the table. Politics.

Their policy is to treat everyone equally, so management isn't randomly tested, either.

My own union sold out to insure raises that helped cover increasing medical costs, nearly 20 years ago. Politics.

Her company is self insured which means their rules are even more difficult to overcome.

The unions will lose, on this one.
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maybe, but how will you know if 19 isn't passed?
there seems to be less complaining about 19's employment protections then other parts
this would be a major change in MJ rights, even in California
if you think all the aspects of 19 can be twisted, then no proposition has a chance, not ever
 
growone said:
maybe, but how will you know if 19 isn't passed?
there seems to be less complaining about 19's employment protections then other parts
this would be a major change in MJ rights, even in California
if you think all the aspects of 19 can be twisted, then no proposition has a chance, not ever
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There are NO employment protections in Prop. 19. Nothing in Prop. 19 CAN supersede Federal drug testing mandates for businesses. Please stick to screwing up your own state.
 
veggiegardener said:
You think P19 will eliminate current practices?

Personally, I think the corporate world will spend whatever is necessary to insure profits.

Her company has large, powerful unions that would not allow that chip to hit the table. Politics.

Their policy is to treat everyone equally, so management isn't randomly tested, either.

My own union sold out to insure raises that helped cover increasing medical costs, nearly 20 years ago. Politics.

Her company is self insured which means their rules are even more difficult to overcome.

The unions will lose, on this one.
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The corporate world will need to develop an MJ test that determines actual impairment, not metabolites, if they want to keep drug testing for current employees because P19 preclude them from testing for metabolites.
 
beardo said:
Wrong again-that is what 19 does which is why I oppose it, it allows huge grows and huge profits
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There are huge grows with huge profits now. The only difference is with prop 19 there will be a way to do those huge grows without going to jail. This is a good thing. Not sure why you can't see that.
 
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