NO! On Prop 19

desert dude said:
Sounds like a good plan. I don't understand what p19 has to do with your plan, though. Forty lights would require you to operate under the medical law, no?
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Nope. It would all be legal and for profit. Although if my permit is approved, I am considering running the grow as medical just for the additional legal protection. Prop 19 allows me to make that choice as well as open my doors to everyone 21+.
 
Dan Kone said:
Only reason I did so is because you are over generalizing which lumps people like me in with Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorina. I knew what you meant, but that isn't what you were saying.



They believe in that, I believe in ending prohibition. Just because they are willing to risk larger chunks of their freedom than I am doesn't mean they are any more entitled to grow than I am.

I do ok now with running my collective. I'd like to do more, but if I don't I want it to be recognized as a legitimate part of my community. It should be legal anyways. There should be a way to do commercial grow/sell legally.



Right now the cannabis industry is primarily taking a risk in exchange for profit. I just want to work in exchange for profit, no different than someone who grows strawberries or runs a 7/11.

So yeah, I do want the reward with lowered risk. I'm not sure how that is a bad thing. If that means less profit and more work than growing illegally I'm ok with that.



I'm no millionaire. I'm not from a powerful family. They have all the same access and the same abilities that I do. Absolutely nothing is stopping them from starting a legal business and involving themselves with local government just like me. I have no unfair advantage. I'm just a guy with a dream and the drive to make it happen. Nothing is stopping them from being the same way. Their apathy is not my fault. Anyone who gets pushed out of the industry because of legalization has no one to blame but themselves.
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Well said man... I truely hope all the best for you no matter what turns out after this election... You got a great mind and a understanding personality... Maybe you should have been in on writing this bill... It would have been alot better man...
 
desert dude said:
I am in Kern county and I already voted yes. Of course that doesn't mean much, but I think there are a lot of people like me who are not involved with MJ in any way that are voting yes on this. The drug war has been an absolute disaster for this country, it has done nothing good and almost everything bad, and a lot of us want it ended!

A lot you here seem to think that "conservatives" are against 19. That might be true to some extent, but the way I see it P19 is a conservative issue. Conservatives say they believe in limited government; P19 certainly limits government interference in the lives of citizens. By the way, I am a libertarian, so I don't pretend to speak for conservatives of the bible thumping stripe, the conservatives I know, and I know lots, are not bible thumpers.
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Ouch! Kern county is not a friendly place when it comes to bud from what I've read. And yes, it all depends on what type of conservative they are. Fiscal/social libertarian conservatives think it should be legal, social conservatives like to make a habit out of judging people who aren't like them and making everyone's behaviors besides their own illegal. IMO social conservatives hate freedom.
 
nathenking said:
Yeah, im taking about the large, publicly traded ones, that out source jobs, give huge benefits to the people at the top and neglect the bottom people... I thought you kinda understood what I was talking about... you kinda have an idea about me now... i also agree that its people that are ruining the country obviously man... i dont think you needed to patronize me with a definition of corporation man... if your in cali, what is stopping you from doing a larger style grow now, or the last 10 years... i know you will say the Law or getting arrested, but there is alot of people that have enough balls to do that, because they believe in it... so you want all the reward with no risk, but all the people that have been risking it would suffer... Its not fair to you or them.... it puts everybody in a shitty situation....
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Right on nathenking I've done big grows but now I do less plants but huge

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that plant was 5 x 5 so prop 19's grow area sucks for everyone so what I'm suppose to be exempt fucking lies all lies.
 
nathenking said:
Well said man... I truely hope all the best for you no matter what turns out after this election... You got a great mind and a understanding personality... Maybe you should have been in on writing this bill... It would have been alot better man...
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thx bro. I appreciate that. Either way it'll work out for both of us.

If I had the money to get full legalization on the ballot I would. I did have a hand in writing county policy though. I just hope the bureaucratic hacks working in the planning department don't fuck it up too much. But I did everything I could to make sure the business stayed with locals, no massive scale operations are permitted, and permit costs don't exclude people.

Regardless of if people support or oppose prop 19 everyone out there who cares about such things does have the ability to make a difference at the local level. The only way people aren't going to get fucked over is if you go out and do something about it. Your city councilmen/counties supervisors have open office hours. Show up and talk to them! When you do, they may or may not agree with you, but they will listen. Come up with a plan that explains to them how a policy you support benefits the voters of their district. If you can, gather 100 signatures from registered voters and bring that with you. If you do that, they will seriously consider what you are saying.

If you don't do that, the only people who will are the Richard Lee types. Usually, that type of person is the only one who shows to give their viewpoint. How is your local representation supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? In my county, I was the only non-big business interest who took time the time to give them a well thought out point of view. The result was, they called me back and asked for my input when writing the law.

I'm not special in any way. If I can do that, so can anyone else.
 
REALSTYLES said:
that plant was 5 x 5 so prop 19's grow area sucks for everyone so what I'm suppose to be exempt fucking lies all lies.
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I like my 100sq ft per patient rules that apply to me now. It's fair. I won't be stopping that no matter what any law says. I've got a damn good lawyer who agrees with me too.
 
What about if it passes the cost of light and equipment will go up let alone the price will go up the state needs $$$$$
 
Burger Boss said:
Please tell more! I've never thought about 19 driving the price anything UP?.......BB
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Well for one if 19 passes everyone who wasn't growing will as well as the people who would have normally wouldn't smoke will . Thus the supply and demand will grow, if y'all think the price will drop you're wrong corporate greed will prevail.
 
Poll finds 51 percent against pot legalization measure


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Posted: 10/22/2010 07:58:25 AM PDT
Updated: 10/22/2010 07:58:27 AM PDT


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LOS ANGELES -- A Los Angeles Times/USC poll is showing that about half of the likely voters asked say they will vote against Proposition 19, the ballot initiative that would legalize recreational marijuana use in California.
According to the poll released today, 51 percent said they would vote against the proposition, while 39 percent said they would voter in favor. Ten percent said they didn't know, or refused to answer.
The poll was conducted by telephone from Oct. 13 through Oct. 20 among a random sample of 922 likely voters.
If passed, Proposition 19 would allow adults at least 21 years old to possess up to 1 ounce of marijuana and grow 25-square-foot pot gardens for personal pleasure.
It would also authorize county and city governments to regulate and tax commercial cultivation and sales.
 
REALSTYLES said:
Well for one if 19 passes everyone who wasn't growing will as well as the people who would have normally wouldn't smoke will . Thus the supply and demand will grow, if y'all think the price will drop you're wrong corporate greed will prevail.
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your ignorance is showing :)
supply and demand theory is that when demand increases prices drop...
grow equipment will be more available at cheaper prices than now because the legal demand will exist

im a clerk in a mom and pop hydro store here in so. cal. the owner is already planning on losing profits when 19 passes because competition will open up. meaning more hydro stores and places that sell growing supplies, leading to lower prices all around.
 
luvourmother said:
your ignorance is showing :)
supply and demand theory is that when demand increases prices drop...
grow equipment will be more available at cheaper prices than now because the legal demand will exist

im a clerk in a mom and pop hydro store here in so. cal. the owner is already planning on losing profits when 19 passes because competition will open up. meaning more hydro stores and places that sell growing supplies, leading to lower prices all around.
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interesting economic view, increased demand means lower prices?
that is certainly not true in some cases, look at the price of crude oil
but it could happen in the hydro business, if supply can be easily increased, that does tend to decrease prices
competent MJ growers though may be a different story, there will be more growers, but good growers?
that is not clear at all, and probably will take a while to happen, big grows just won't be allowed by DEA for a while(IMHO)
 
High Availability/Low Demand=Low Prices
Low Availability/High Demand=High Prices

I think the prediction that there will be a spike in prices will be true. There will be some people that decide this is for them and they will jump in to growing. The supply will go down, the demand will go up...until they actually go to harvest their first and find they wasted a bunch of money. After a while, cheap used gear will abound on craigslist and ebay. The price will fall sharply within about 6 months. Just my thoughts.
 
luvourmother said:
im a clerk in a mom and pop hydro store here in so. cal. the owner is already planning on losing profits when 19 passes because competition will open up. meaning more hydro stores and places that sell growing supplies, leading to lower prices all around.
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I would think that they can count on some loyal customers though. I have found a hydro store that I like and I stick with it. I will order an odd or end once in a while online, but that is due to shear convenience. Do they really think that there will be that many hydro stores popping up? Seems like the ones in business now will simply see an increase in customers. It is expensive to start a business and the established stores should have the advantage.
 
nathenking said:
its been proven that this prop will not effect cartels.... who cant buy a elbow of mexi for 400, the lower quality weed is already cheap...2cents
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actually its proven that mexican cartel weed has gone way uphill. some say its on par with humbolt or chico. It also is known that Mexico's marijuaan sales in the US make up 70% of their income, that same income which allows them to cut off heads int he street and murder familys on a daily basis. You dont know you are buying mexican weed if you live in southern cali, you might think it was grown in northern cali. Yes voting Yes will stop the cartels or at least force them to find more difficult ways of making their money which will leave them wide open to being stopped. Its proven.
 
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