NooB Advice

johnathandoe

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Oh yeah I forgot to say hey... how ya been doin. haha, and I stopped nutes like 2-3 weeks ago( spots? ) or heat? ITS BEEN HOT

Man wish I had better lights............. think I'd have some good'n what I have cut off hasn't weighed much at all even wet
 

EdGreyfox

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Hey all, sorry it's been a while since my last post. I finally decided my grow had to move to the basement, and once I got it all moved it turned out a lot of my concerns about the areas dearth of electrical outlets and complete lack of water were unfounded. Yeah, carrying my watering can up and down the stairs is a pain, but having a flowering room that hasn't gone over 75 degrees is making up for it. The bare concrete walls/floor might not reflect light very well, but they sure do soak up the heat- enough so that I just ordered another 600w light to add to the room. I figure what I'm losing in reflection will be made up for by having no more then 4 plants per light (instead of my current 6 to 8), and the higher light levels in the overlapping spaces should make my plants develop even more. If the heat doesn't go up by too much I may go ahead and put up mylar or paint the walls, but I want to test the new light before I make any other changes.

p.s.- My sisters puppy chewed up the digital camera, so I'm only going to be getting cell phone quality pics for a while. Hopefully I'll be able to post one of my biggest plant soon, since it's only a week into flowering and has already broken the 5 ft mark. :)
 

EdGreyfox

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Not yet. Things have been a bit wild lately and I haven't had much time to read or post. I'll try to get to it tomorrow afternoon-Person who got me started is bring by some clones so I can get a couple new strains going, but I have no idea exactly when he's going to show up. :)
 

Kirashiro

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Okay.. i need some creative advice.. I have a baby on the way and of course that means family in the house. My grow area is not sealed at the moment and i don't have the means to do so any time soon. In 2 weeks i have family coming over to help get the house in order and there is a bit of a smell in my downstairs. On top of that you can see the light from where i have my plants..

What are the consequences of transporting plants that are in flowering? (aside from the obvious of getting caught with them) Would it screw them up if they missed a day of light? My only in house option of hiding them is to move them to the top of my garage, which in the summer, gets VERY hot. would it kill them to have them in the heat for a day?
 

riddleme

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Okay.. i need some creative advice.. I have a baby on the way and of course that means family in the house. My grow area is not sealed at the moment and i don't have the means to do so any time soon. In 2 weeks i have family coming over to help get the house in order and there is a bit of a smell in my downstairs. On top of that you can see the light from where i have my plants..

What are the consequences of transporting plants that are in flowering? (aside from the obvious of getting caught with them) Would it screw them up if they missed a day of light? My only in house option of hiding them is to move them to the top of my garage, which in the summer, gets VERY hot. would it kill them to have them in the heat for a day?
missing a day of light would be better than lots of heat IMO, do what ya gotta do
 

riddleme

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We think a lot alike haha. Just droppin in to say hi. How's it goin riddleme?
Just gettin moved into the new house, got the internet back up today as you can see, I'm back, yippee

still settin up the new garden but having loads of fun doing it

did get my tomatoes set up outside LOL and they are doing great, I checked the canopy to see how the sun was doing at noon today and was gettin 7000 lumens, sure wish others would spend the $30 to get a freakin light meter so they could see the reality of things
 

Rocky Mountain High

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Wow, what a read, finally finished all of the Riddleme Madman's links, side references, charts, etc. I've read every post in every thread and can say it was well worth the time and effort. I have been pseudo playing the game with Riddleme through PM's, it's a blast. bongsmilie

Let me introduce myself, I am a Colorado State Licensed MMJ Caregiver, so I grow legally. I have been growing for about 4 years but still consider myself to be a 'noob' if you will. I started following RMMM or RM3 for short, (riddlememadman) as I wanted a simple approach to nutrients and feeding and what better place to start, just like a noob. Anyway, I often tell people, I cannot tell you how to grow the best, but I can tell you how I've screwed things up in the past. You name it, I've done it. I've got some experience under my belt in that area. :roll:

Just some quick thoughts and observations.

I see a lot of small plants in great big containers, I think you should let them out grow and up pot :blsmoke:

Jonathon, you did an excellent job of lollipopping that tree of yours. You have everything basically the same distance from your light source and nothing below wasting. Don't know how dense you can get her with those lights but you will have a lot of bud to toke ! :mrgreen:

Ed, if I remember you had a hermie, was it the blueberry? My understanding is that most, if not all, blueberry plants hermie due to the extensive age and over breeding of the genetics behind them. I've had a friend who's did that too. His was from Barney's I believe. Also I think you came up with the cost spread sheet? I couldn't open it after download, but would love to try it out. With the passage of HB10-1284, I as a caregiver am required to only sell my meds to my patients at cost and what a better way to calculate?

I noticed that several people have had plants hermie on them and I just want to give my $.02 on it. One thing we have to keep in mind is that one of if the not the, biggest stress we can place on these plants is not giving them pollen to complete their life cycle. Once they hit a point in flowering they are under constant stress which is why they are growing buds and pistils so heavily. I DO believe light leaks and to a much higher degree, light cycle issues, lead to the hermie trait being brought out. As RM3 has said we are god and mother nature of our plants indoors. And we have the 1st stress in addition to having the additional stress of Force Flowering. Outdoors plants don't go from 18/6 to 12/12 in one day, its very very gradual and the moon, street lights shadows, etc are accounted for by the slowness of the process, IMHO. (as evidenced an obvious here http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=1189&month=6&year=2010&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1, ( I Know I gotta bring proof to this thread, you guys are too sharp !) I would love to have the ability to change the light cycle indoors by the 2 minute increments to mimick outdoors but thats along experiment !) So that's strike two and they, I believe are related, in that when you add those, and one more photo period problem, they can and often do hermie. I've had a plant hermie when all the others in her set were fine. Eventually narrowed it down to a small red light on a power strip that she was next to. So, I say be careful with light leaks and especially photo period, make sure your timers are set and correct. :joint:

And along those lines, I know that we all start with bagseed and thats fine and dandy. So we don't know the genetics behind it or what to expect, very blind if you will. When these plants hermie and produce seeds, many traits can and are passed along, including that hermie trait, sometimes. I actually believe it is always there, just waiting to rear it's ugly head. In breeding programs they don't usually hermie a plant to itself to create feminized seeds. They may use a hermie but they pollinate a plant that is a straight female to increase the odds of supressing the hermie trait and not passing it. I would be careful growing the seeds from the self pollinated hermies as the chances are higher they will too be hermies. :spew:

Next point is the contest, which I think kinda ties into all of this. I think we should do a contest where we compare apples to apples. Rather than having everybody growing something different, we should all grow the same strain, from seed, at the same time all using what we have learned from RM3's threads. We pick a date and we all put them in the ground and see what happens. I like this as it would be a nice class/case study of the effects different environment have on a strain and grow. Many times when you are grading MMJ you are grading the grower more so than the genetics, kinda, if that makes sense. We would all be on the same kinda program and nutes, (can't wait to start the Jacks & dynagrow BTW). bongsmilie

Now how do we all get the same strain? I have done some 'pollen chucking' (they are one off crosses not strains, no back crossing...yet, but stable F1's) and have some beans that have been tested by several farmers and they are pretty uniform. I would be willing to send a few beans to each person in the contest. (I've done it and have no problem doing it have nice stealth method) The genetics are mine and called Purple Rain which is my Purple Head Knocker x White Widow. The Purple Head Knocker is the Arcata Cut of Trainwreck x Durban Poison. For me, I would get to see x # of journals with my genetics and as an amateur breeder there is nothing better than seeing someone else grow your shit. Also, there are green phenos and true Purple phenos. Not the leaves turning purple cuz people don't Keep 'em Green (nice mantra) till the end. I mean true Purple genetics where the leaves remain lush and green and the calyx's turn purple. It's a beautiful plant so forgive my fawning on it. Just a thought. :idea:

And a picture to wet your appetite. :weed:

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Am I Norml? you remind me of a good friend from another site, I love your style and the gruff of you ! You mentioned that you, 15 years ago, went on the buying the most expensive shit quest. I'm there now and wanting OUT ! Humboldt's line of 15 products is breaking me down :wink:

Ohh, pictures of the puppies ! My Australian Shepard Border Collie mix is named George or Geogialicious, or Porgy Pie. Dog's are the best. He's in my outdoor garden

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I like the 'family feel' to these threads, Big, you are the man ! Love how everyone sticks up for the teacher, that's how it should be :peace:

I come from a boxing background and I can tell you there are hundreds of ways to train and prepare a fighter, but all that matters is how he performs 'under the bright lights'. I think the same holds true with mary jane. Many ways to do the same thing, find one that works FOR YOU and stick with it and experiment. :cool:

Greencrack, love the avatar, and love the TPB's. :mrgreen:

RM3, A friend ordered during that same attitude promotion and gave me some of the beans. Let me know when you pop the Cole Train, Motavation and Rocklock and we can run them side by side. Show you what you taught me :dunce:

I only wish I had found these threads sooner, I had so much to say to everyone along the way ! kiss-ass
 

Rocky Mountain High

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Ohh yeah, wanted to quickly share my cloning method :grin:

I use 1" rockwool cubes, they go great into the dirt. I cut my clones and bath them in a solution of Clonex, not the gel, but the solution, the cubes get soaked in this solution and squeezed out. They then get a bath in Azamax for any critters. I then dip them into cloning gel and into the rockwool cubes they go.

I then stuff the cube into a sectioned tray, see pictures, and put half my Clonex solution in the bottom of my bottom pan the other half into a spray bottle. This is why I use clonex solution rather than other as it's a good foliar feed for the babies. In the tray, there is a nice little pocket formed between the cube and water in the pan which I think helps the success rate :eyesmoke:

Put em under the dome and mist them a few times per day, first few days. I also wipe out all the condensation from the dome each morning and let it build over the day. Once they show some roots, and this is important, I crack the dome, to give them air and ween them off the humidity. They struggle hard from dome to dirt without the weening. I've also put them in dirt and put kept the dome over the pot with the vents open. bongsmilie

And, depending on strain, about 10-14 days later, we have a nice little root system. :mrgreen:

Just wanted to share that
 

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Rocky Mountain High

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Ohh and how rude, I can't come to the party empty handed, gotta bring the boys some porn :hump:
 

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riddleme

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Welcome to the thread RMH, I gotta tell ya it has been great doing the class all over again with you, I had a blast back when all did it and all those good times came flashing back as you and I PM'd thru it, so thank you as well for that and for your contributions thus far, I expect we'll see many more
 

bigman4270

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Thanks and I'm happy to be a part, I had a blast too. :grin:

Had to change my Avatar. See that grasshopper? That's me, here to learn :D
Welecome to the thread RMH. I consider myself a sceince and fact kinda guy, so that is why Riddles style suits me also. His "nuggets" are invaluable to all us new growers. The problem is to many of us new guys fall victim to the marketing hype and go out searching for answersto only find that it is the hype that is the problem? The nice thing is he doesn't force his style on you. He lays it out there for you and you can either take it or leave it, he realy does not care.

Peace

Big

PS, I would love to take part in a group grow contest!:mrgreen: I am buying my 400w this month so maybe we could do something around the first wek in Aug. Here is a pic of some Purp Kush X's I got from a special friend. She would not tell me what the cross was, but only that I am sure I will like em. Seem to be heavy Indica?:confused:
 

Rocky Mountain High

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Welecome to the thread RMH. I consider myself a sceince and fact kinda guy, so that is why Riddles style suits me also. His "nuggets" are invaluable to all us new growers. The problem is to many of us new guys fall victim to the marketing hype and go out searching for answersto only find that it is the hype that is the problem? The nice thing is he doesn't force his style on you. He lays it out there for you and you can either take it or leave it, he realy does not care.

Peace

Big

PS, I would love to take part in a group grow contest!:mrgreen: I am buying my 400w this month so maybe we could do something around the first wek in Aug. Here is a pic of some Purp Kush X's I got from a special friend. She would not tell me what the cross was, but only that I am sure I will like em. Seem to be heavy Indica?:confused:
Right on and thanks for the welcome. Yes those ladys definitely look Indica dom
 

johnathandoe

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quick question, maybe this one u'll get answerd, lol i know you guys dont care bout my stemy plant..... I only got like 250-300 grams wet been in a jar for 2 weeks, burped twice, one day open inbetween week closed. they sank down and feel a little denser, looking today they had white mold starting to grow, so i dumped the jar out by a window in the sun(indirect sun) mold bad?? what happend... to wet when jarred?
 

riddleme

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First DON'T SMOKE MOLD, it is bad for you

and buds should not be wet when jarred

try to remove (cut out) all the mold you can see and allow them to dry some more
 

johnathandoe

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after I poured em' out I dont see the mold ne more, there was only like 1 spot that had it, being in the sun all day should kill it right? like I said I don't see any mold now, the place it was in was seen with a magnafying glass
 

gumball

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i have also heard to let them lay on a brown paper bag, i think, while they air in the sun. Can remember if riddle posted that or someone else. so much info, so little repository!!!
 

EdGreyfox

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Laying them out on a paper bag/piece of paper for a while works, especially if you use a fan to circulate air across them. You don't want the fan really close, just in a position to put a slight breeze across the buds. It usually doesn' take me more then 20-30 minutes of that treatment before it's more then dry enough to go back into the jar.
 

gumball

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Laying them out on a paper bag/piece of paper for a while works, especially if you use a fan to circulate air across them. You don't want the fan really close, just in a position to put a slight breeze across the buds. It usually doesn' take me more then 20-30 minutes of that treatment before it's more then dry enough to go back into the jar.
oh yeah, your the one I read that from!!! I mentioned something like that last page or two, but couldnt remember who to give props to, well there you are!!! +rep to ya
 

murt9000

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Guys, I could use some advice please. I have a Chiesel plant, about half way through flowering and she's doing ok but I recently adjusted my light, 250W HPS, and I got some heat stress on the tip. It's brown and dry. I know the solution is to raise the lights a bit, no problem. What I need to know is should I leave the tip like this or clip off the top half cm or so? Will the brown, dry tip prevent any more flowering/growth from the top and if I clip it, will this help it to recover for the remainder of the flowering period. This is my first grow so I'm learning as I go along. I've read through the first 20 pages of of this thread and found riddleme's advice really helpful and interesting, hope someone can help me out here.
 
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