Northern Lights X BB auto & Speed Devil auto

Cloudz2600

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I haven't set it up yet. I still need to get the lights to hang properly. I should prolly do it now while it's lights out. Gonna take it out of the closet and put it in my room tho.

How do you adjust the lights, just give it more slack and retape it when you have to?
 

Cloudz2600

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Well fixed it all up lol. Took me 3 F**king hours to to cut an additional 1/2 inch in each hole to make the fans fit and to cut an additional hole for the second light clamp. Covered any open parts with electrical tape except for the top, figure its more room for hot air to get out and it would be too much of a pain since I'll need to readjust the lights anyhow. It's 63 outside and my window is cracked open. Think my thermometer said it was 76 inside the apartment. Inside the box it's reading at 77F with 53% humidity, MUCH better. I am worried about how much damage was done though >.<

Temp was 81 and then I took out a 42w 6500k and switched it out for a 26w 2700k. Tbh I've kind of lost hope in the girls, but I'm still hoping they pull through if that makes sense. Didn't go out and buy soil. Any opinions on using used soil just for the seedlings? The soil that I'm talking about was already in the basil when I bought it from wal-mart. Basil is maybe a month old (since I brought it home). Yes, I know it's better to buy a whole new bag, but if I don't have to I really don't want to.
 

kosherboy

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Hey Im also in the process of growing a NLxBB, Im only a few days behind you my seeds popped up from the soil on the 10th or 11th. Im probably not going to do a journal though. You care if i post pics on this one for comparisons and feed back?
 

Lady.J

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Hey I wouldn't recommend used soil personally...you can get a bag of new soil for like 4bucks! Got any pics of how you did your box?
 

Cloudz2600

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So long as this doesn't become your picture journal Kosher I don't mind. Yea I'll post pics in a sec, had internet issues for the past few days. Hey Lady what's the temp in the room you have the bin in vs the temp inside the bin? Temps have been 79-82 during the day, it's been 77-80 in the apt and like 80-85 outside.
Temps have been 73-75(during lights out, 8pm-12am) and 77-79 when it's dark outside.

I was totally more worried about the nute burn and forgot to check the roots, the NL was pretty root bound so I transplanted it. Checked the BM(3 days behind the NL) and 2 roots have reached the bottom. Not sure what happpened to that leaf. Maybe a light fell out it. I had issues getting the electrical tape to keep the light up so I used the detergent. Planted another NL last night, I found the miracle grow organic something I had laying around and used that for the seed. I used that for my first grow and didn't have any nute burn throughout the entire grow. I'll transplant into FFOF after it gets out of the seedlings stage.

Not sure how the first NL and the BM are going to turn out. Supposedly vegetative period ends after week 3 and I'll be on week 3 tomorrow. Normally I would just keep vegging them, but I don't have the option with autos. The nute burn and heat really set me back. I'll do my best with the new NLxBB, not gonna try any more this cycle.
 

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Lady.J

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Lol about the detergent! You gotta do what you gotta do! I think I'm going to invest in some gorilla tape...electrical tape sucks for anything but cables / wires. The temp of my room is usually about 3 degrees cooler than what my box is. My temps in the box get as low as 73 with the light off and highest is 84. It's pretty damn hot here sometimes though! Your box is looking pretty legit!
 

Cloudz2600

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Yea, I tried using what must of been half the roll and it just seems to fall off. That's probably what happened to that leaf, it got burned. How many lights/watts are you running now?
 

Lady.J

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Have two 42watt 6500k and one 34(ish, might be 32) 6500k. I really want to get some 2700 k to mix it up...two of them at just 23 watts should be good. I am kind of broke for the moment though!
 

Cloudz2600

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Maybe the lights don't give off as much heat as I thought if you have more lights and our temps are around the same. Might go ahead and add the other reflector and a 42w then. Not sure if you ever looked into it Lady, but wal-mart sells light bulb extenders that have 2 outlets that you can plug stuff into in addition to the regular socket. I have one of those screwed into each reflector so my y splitters fit. I'm using the other reflector in my closet for the new NLxBB, so I can't take a picture right now, but when I move it into the bin in a day or 2 I'll show you what it looks like if you want.

Really surprised by these NLxBB, maybe it's the strain maybe it's the breeder. The seed I planted last night, around 11pm has already sprouted.
 

Cloudz2600

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Oh also I switched the timer from 8pm-12am(off) to 3pm-7pm. Figured it would help at least a little if the lights were off during the peak heat ours and being an auto flower I don't have to worry about light leaks. Seems like the real downside to autos is that if anything bad happens I can't veg them until they recover. Since my temp isn't 97F anymore tho any new grows should be fine. What an insane temp.
 

Cloudz2600

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Just a quick update, nothing special really. Switching the off times worked out pretty well, I tried adding the new NL, but I was having so much trouble seeing how far down the lights needed to go that I said fuck it and put it in my closet under 1 42w until it at least shows it's coty's. The NL and BM are doing MUCH better. I'm glad I flushed when I did because a few days later I noticed the other leaf browning too. Here's a quick comparison: Left is new(From left, NL, BM,) right is old. I really should of taken better pictures of the burns. Pretty sure the dmg on the BM is from a light because as soon as I got the light situation fixed it stopped. The NL is at least 3 nodes and growth has started again since I transplanted. I guess it's just a race to see how much growth before it starts flowering.
 

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Cloudz2600

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Minor update: The new NL that sprouted has still yet to show its coty's. Quite odd. I kept it in the "humidity dome", but I've never really seen them take this long after sprouting.
 

Cloudz2600

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Another minor update: I'm kinda depressed at how this grow is going, my first grow started with 2 bagseeds in the same pot using sunshine from a window seal and went much better than this did. Can't win em all I guess. I transplanted the Blue Mammoth into it's final container, the pot I posted earlier. Tbh I should of moved the Northern Lights into the other pot a few days ago instead of that 6 inch clay pot it's in now. I'll transplant in a day or 2. I watered them both today so the soil is a bit too soggy for another transplant. I doubt I'll disturb the roots because they haven't had enough time to grow to the edge of the pot yet(hopefully). I made a thread about my tempature and how my CFM for the fans are related here: https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/530490-low-cfm-high-temp-2.html if you don't feel like reading it that's fine there main piece of information that I looked at was this:
how many cubic feet is that bin btw? you want the air in the room to be totally replaced at least once a minute and with using larger cfls as you add more you'll find it becomes even more important that you have a quick air replacement rate. i always tried to get at least 2 times a minute on my larger cfl grows. honestly the more i think of it the more i think you should get something a bit stronger than what youve got. it would be alot easier and more effecient to have just 1 strong exhaust fan with the passive intakes, you could always use the computer fans for blowing on the plants inside the grow area. i have used cfls in the 40w range in the past alot, i had a scrog dresser going with 24 of them for quite a while but ive also had plenty of smaller grow boxes and areas using the larger cfls and i dont think you'll be able to do more than 5 or 6 in that area with what you have for ventilation. summer is going to make it even more difficult and if you want to run them during the day you'll probably need to have the ac going even with a stronger exhaust fan if the ambient temp of the room the grow bin is located in doesnt stay pretty cool. like in the low to mid 80's tops. that still might not be enough to stop the cfls from pushing the temp up over the low 90's range. an option to consider is adding more smaller bulbs that you can place closer to the plant when you increase the lighting like you said you plan to do, it also helps you maximize your space as you can get the plant within 1/2 inch of a 26w usually if youve got a circulation fan blowing between the lights and plants while it cant get much closer than 2 1/2-3 with a 40w. it might nor sound like a big deal but you'd be surprised how quickly you run out of room. you can also use the 26w wherever you need a bit of extra light to help fatten up colas and really surround your plants with light on all angles and can really fatten up your nugs substantially. i no longer use the 40w bulbs myself for the reasons listed. its something to keep in mind. lol
In light of that, I took out the 6500k and 2700k 42w bulbs and put in 4 26w 2700k bulbs. I actually had trouble finding a 6 pack of 6500k, probably because most homes use 2700k bulbs. Each plant gets 2 26w CFLs. I can always add 2 more lights with the other sockets I have, but I'm going to see how the heat is. This summer heat is really killing me(and my plants). I can't wait until it's fall/winter or even early spring. The guys in the thread also suggested having a passive intake and 2 exhaust fans so I may do that as well. Just really don't want to cut another hole in the bin ya know?

I covered the sprouted NL with more dirt. Read a few threads about how this may happen if the seed is planted too shallow, I just can't seem to get this stuff going lol. Right now it's in my closet with a ziplock bag covering most of the cup under a 42w 6500k for heat/light. The shell has come off, but nothing so far. On the bright side everything is much better than when I started this grow.

Hey Lady, I noticed in either one of your pictures of videos that you had a fan inside the bin, what size was the fan and do you have a brand name so I can possibly buy one? One of the people in the thread suggest I put a fan inside so that it moves the air around the lights. I may look around to see if I can find a higher CFM fan, these things really don't make that much noise and I'm a pretty hard sleeper so I doubt a 80-100 CFM fan(this one is 63) will bother me much more.

I'm going to look for my charger tonight so I can charge my camera(duh) and take some pics. I swear I only misplace things when I need them.
 

Lady.J

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I know it must be frustrating but don't get discouraged, I know you can do it. Once you get the hang of things, your plants are going to be some bad bitches. How do the temps seem with the change of light? The fan inside my box is 120mm. The brand is Thermaltake TT-1225A. Grabbed these specs off the net:
Features:


4 pin Molex Power Connector
3 pin Power Connector
2 pin speed regulator connector
Speed: 1400 RPM
Airflow: 41.6 CFM
Noise: 21 dBA

Grabbed it from radioshack. I didn't pay attention to the specs til now to be honest lol! There were two fans to choose from at this little ass Radishack by my house, this one was like 10 bucks more than the other, so figured it'd be the best to go with. Kinda pissed cuz when I looked this up for you, found out it was waaaaay cheaper online. I am also keeping the box in a room with regular AC to keep things cool. Def notice a difference when I don't! Things got hot kinda quick.
 

Cloudz2600

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79 in the apartment, 81 in the box, so no change. I guess that makes sense and I just added 22 more watts. I'm actually going to open the window lol, its 73 outside. I'm trying to be easy on the a/c because I use it A LOT during the day when it's like 80-85F so I try not to use it as much during the night and just use the outside air. $10 more? Jeez the ones I bought were like $5.60 each.

I'm not talking about the PC fans, I think I saw a small white fan inside the box?
 

Lady.J

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79 in the apartment, 81 in the box, so no change. I guess that makes sense and I just added 22 more watts. I'm actually going to open the window lol, its 73 outside. I'm trying to be easy on the a/c because I use it A LOT during the day when it's like 80-85F so I try not to use it as much during the night and just use the outside air. $10 more? Jeez the ones I bought were like $5.60 each.

I'm not talking about the PC fans, I think I saw a small white fan inside the box?
Ah! That's a lil cheapo fan I got from wal-mart for like 5 bucks
 

Cloudz2600

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Do you find that it helps any. Like have you gone without and noticed a difference? I figure I'll ignore what the people in the thread said and keep 1 intake fan and just buy another for exhaust instead of having one of the PC fans inside and having a passive intake. Active intake has to be better than passive right? PC fan is cheap and 2 day shipping is free so why not right? I can see how people spend $1000's on the stuff lol.
 
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