Nutes beyond the basic grow/bloom: are they really worth it?

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fellowfelon

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If you're gonna do this, you gotta come to terms with it and learn to relax. When you drop a seed you've made your choice. So get over the paranoia cause it will never do you any good anyway.
You have to be able to enjoy it to get the most out of it. Good luck.
My way of relaxing is leaving zero paper trail :) I'm still liable to some tripping, but I'm doing alright :)


And thanks everybody! I love how you guys started a whole argument about the merit of an analogy :lol: Seriously I learned a whole bunch about pharmaceuticals
 

bluerock

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As to "supplemental nutrients" I've tried a lot of different things. Some of them, technically, can increase yield. However, this is usually the result of inducing fox-tailing. I'll take the tiny bit of lower yield without the fox-tails. Maxi series, GH 3 part, Dyna-gro, Floranova, these have all worked well for me.
 

Enigmatic Ways

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This is my first post, I had to make an account just so I could respond to this. I'm so tired of people hating on AN if you don't like their marketing fine but respect the science. Where do you people get this information from about Advanced Nutrients! Listen I've learned a long time ago don't believe what people tell you take the time and do the research yourself, and you'll come to find that all of these additives play a important role, can you go without them of course....but with good genetics, good light, the right environment, and good base nutrients plus the right additives plants can reach their full potential!
 

toomp

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Do you see commercial greenhouses using water bottled nutrients?! NOOOOO!

Sorry, but this seems to be a recurring theme today.

The plants only want a limited number of nutrients, in about the same ratios. So why pay more than you need to?

Hydrogardens.com
Green house uses something like fox farms cha Ching on everything it has lower N
Cost like 5$
 

Uncle Ben

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This is my first post, I had to make an account just so I could respond to this. I'm so tired of people hating on AN if you don't like their marketing fine but respect the science.
Science? There is no science, only hype targeted towards sucker bets.

And speaking of science, go get you some. Plants don't need any additives or supplements, they require the basic 13 beneficial elements to perform like what you'd find in an all in one product like Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro. Wise up, you drank the cannabis specific Kool-aid and are setting your self up for failure. Seen it a million times and always ignorant noobs who are driven towards the hype. The worst looking gardens I've seen over my 15+ years of cannabis forums memberships has been from folks that used cannabis specific nutes.

You write like AN is honestly on YOUR side. They are not.

If I was you I'd spend an hour or so reading up on plant nutrition.

UB
 
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keeper1981

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Its all about the money at the end of the day these companies are out to make it.....trust me I do just fine of my cheap hardware store nutrients as stated earlier. Even better than my old days of getting ripped off using hydro specific crap. Trial and experimentation has been my best friend.....dont believe the hype people
 

chuck estevez

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This is my first post, I had to make an account just so I could respond to this. I'm so tired of people hating on AN if you don't like their marketing fine but respect the science. Where do you people get this information from about Advanced Nutrients! Listen I've learned a long time ago don't believe what people tell you take the time and do the research yourself, and you'll come to find that all of these additives play a important role, can you go without them of course....but with good genetics, good light, the right environment, and good base nutrients plus the right additives plants can reach their full potential!
should follow your own advise and not believe what AN is selling you,I mean telling you. Do some more research or get some better research skills, OR, get off AN's payroll.
 

Enigmatic Ways

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Science? There is no science, only hype targeted towards sucker bets.

And speaking of science, go get you some. Plants don't need any additives or supplements, they require the basic 13 beneficial elements to perform like what you'd find in an all in one product like Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro. Wise up, you drank the cannabis specific Kool-aid and are setting your self up for failure. Seen it a million times and always ignorant noobs who are driven towards the hype. The worst looking gardens I've seen over my 15+ years of cannabis forums memberships has been from folks that used cannabis specific nutes.

You write like AN is honestly on YOUR side. They are not.

If I was you I'd spend an hour or so reading up on plant nutrition.

UB
There is no science behind the there products? Who the fuck brainwashed you! Here we go again people making assumptions, I know that plants don't need additives but if you have everything else dialed in additives can really help your plants reach their full potential. Ignorant noob huh, I have 20 years of knowledge under my belt, you're the one talking like a neophyte. You say I act like AN is on my side, lol are you serious I know there on nobody's side they're just trying to put the best product out there with the most eyecatching marketing so they can make money that's the goal for any company! Look man fuck what you're talking about stop the hate let knowledge be your guide, the proof is in the pudding, pic was taken at 50 days old from seed 21" tall 26" wide. IMG_20150619_134619.jpg
 

Uncle Ben

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There is no science behind the there products? Who the fuck brainwashed you! Here we go again people making assumptions, I know that plants don't need additives but if you have everything else dialed in additives can really help your plants reach their full potential. Ignorant noob huh, I have 20 years of knowledge under my belt, you're the one talking like a neophyte. You say I act like AN is on my side, lol are you serious I know there on nobody's side they're just trying to put the best product out there with the most eyecatching marketing so they can make money that's the goal for any company! Look man fuck what you're talking about stop the hate let knowledge be your guide, the proof is in the pudding, pic was taken at 50 days old from seed 21" tall 26" wide. View attachment 3444621
I get that kind of action in 3 weeks from the time the seeds begin punching thru the soil's surface using Walmart brand fertilizer. For example:

https://www.rollitup.org/t/spin-out-for-chemical-root-pruning.9114/

I notice you have spots of leaf scorch which is usually nute related.

Uncle Ben
 

chuck estevez

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There is no science behind the there products? Who the fuck brainwashed you! Here we go again people making assumptions, I know that plants don't need additives but if you have everything else dialed in additives can really help your plants reach their full potential. Ignorant noob huh, I have 20 years of knowledge under my belt, you're the one talking like a neophyte. You say I act like AN is on my side, lol are you serious I know there on nobody's side they're just trying to put the best product out there with the most eyecatching marketing so they can make money that's the goal for any company! Look man fuck what you're talking about stop the hate let knowledge be your guide, the proof is in the pudding, pic was taken at 50 days old from seed 21" tall 26" wide. View attachment 3444621
:sleep:
 

Enigmatic Ways

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I get that kind of action in 3 weeks from the time the seeds begin punching thru the soil's surface using Walmart brand fertilizer. For example:

https://www.rollitup.org/t/spin-out-for-chemical-root-pruning.9114/

I notice you have spots of leaf scorch which is usually nute related.

Uncle Ben
No leaf scorch that's just the reflection of the water I had just given them a little shower in that pic. You're great grower there's no denying that, but everybody has the right to their own opinions, it's almost like when you talk about nutrients in the marijuana community it's like talking about religion everybody thinks they've got the right one lol
 

taGyo

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WHAT? The evil AN has risen again? PiK, is that you???
Nahh

Simple, easy, low cost.
Dyna-Gro Foliage pro - start to finish......After a few grows,,,,maybe try a few things and see for your self.....

AN is fighting words around here.....
Do you recommend this for DWC and RDWC as well?
 

taGyo

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Ooooh ooooh my turn

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