Obama banning AR15 ammo by command of the emperor!

AlecTheGardener said:

Green tips only, ammunition that is surplus or excess from the government stores. Actual 5.56 and 223 ammunition is completely unchanged.


You just cannot purchase surplus anymore, that sucks. Anyone who shoots regularly will have their wallet hit a bit, other then that no one should care.

In other words, unless you regularly purchase surplus government ammunition this doesn't have an effect on you.

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desert dude said:

Was any justification offered for this action by our leader?

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AlecTheGardener said:

Some steel jacketed rounds are considered armor piercing, the ATF put in a request and he authorized it.

Some green tips are steel jacketed, it is a wishy washy reason but makes sense. I wonder where it will all go instead of being sold to US civilians.

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AlecTheGardener said:

Green tips only, ammunition that is surplus or excess from the government stores. Actual 5.56 and 223 ammunition is completely unchanged.


You just cannot purchase surplus anymore, that sucks. Anyone who shoots regularly will have their wallet hit a bit, other then that no one should care.

In other words, unless you regularly purchase surplus government ammunition this doesn't have an effect on you.

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budlover13 said:

The sticking point, in my mind, is that once our country starts banning ammo capable of penetrating body armor, the door is open to more bans.

Here in Kali we have to hunt with non-tox ammo, almost all of which will penetrate soft body armor. If penetrating body armor is the standard, what am I supposed to hunt with?

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desert dude said:

5.56 won't penetrate body armor, at least not the body armor used by US military (and police) personnel.

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Metasynth said:

Just wondering...Where is a good place to hunt in Cali? Lived here my whole life and never really thought about it...Then again, i feel bad when I swat a fly.........

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budlover13 said:

The sticking point, in my mind, is that once our country starts banning ammo capable of penetrating body armor, the door is open to more bans.

Here in Kali we have to hunt with non-tox ammo, almost all of which will penetrate soft body armor. If penetrating body armor is the standard, what am I supposed to hunt with?

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Armor-Piercing Ammunition
Federal law prohibits the manufacture, importation, sale or delivery of armor-piercing ammunition, with very limited exceptions.10 In particular, specific exceptions exist for armor-piercing ammunition that is manufactured for certain federal and state government divisions, exportation, or testing.11 The Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) may also exempt certain armor-piercing ammunition primarily intended for sporting or industrial purposes.12
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Armor-piercing ammunition, sometimes referred to as metal-piercing ammunition, is ammunition that is designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, including body armor commonly worn by police officers. Under federal law, armor-piercing ammunition is defined as any projectile or projectile core that may be used in a handgun and that is constructed entirely from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.15 In addition, armor-piercing ammunition is defined as a full jacketed projectile “larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.”Id. The Attorney General is required to furnish information to each licensed dealer defining which projectiles are considered armor-piercing ammunition as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(17)(B).16

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budlover13 said:

All depends upon what you are seeking. There's still a little decent hunting left in the state.

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budlover13 said:

All dependant on range and ammo type from my research.

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Metasynth said:

Just wondering...Where is a good place to hunt in Cali? Lived here my whole life and never really thought about it...Then again, i feel bad when I swat a fly.........

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AlecTheGardener said:

Armor piercing rounds have been against the law for civilian to possess since 1986. Just because a round CAN penetrate armor does not make it a proper AP round.

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desert dude said:

Standard military body armor will stop a 7.62 round. What 5.56 will penetrate body armor?

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AlecTheGardener said:

An unlikely one, they are designed for high velocity not penetration. Unfortunately the ATF considers them AP due to some jackets being steel on M855s.

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AlecTheGardener said:

Unless you are in the Sierra Nevada don't bother, not nearly gorgeous enough.

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