Obama Campaign making a KILLING

NoDrama said:

I can start listing faults easily.
1. He isn't a spring chicken, although age does usually bring wisdom.
2. He is not a very effective speaker, he comes off as weak and sometimes a bit confused.
3. His belief that the market can solve almost every problem is a bit shortsighted.

That is just off the top of my head.

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That's fair enough.

My issue with Ron Paul supporters is lack of objectivity. That's pretty objective. I've had a lot of politicians that I've liked and supported. But never once in my whole life have I ever thought any politician was perfect on every policy. The odds of someone sharing your views on every issue is actually very slim if you're thinking for yourself. It seems to me like a lot of Ron Paul supporters agree with him 100% of the time and will object to anything negative said about him even if it's true. I find that disturbing.

I guess not all RP supporters are like that, but it sure seems like a good portion of Paul's supporters let Paul do all the thinking for him.

deprave said:

well the point is he is not only better then most about this but the money he has got from PACS shouldn't even count really its so insignificant, 1250 from some Beef Restaurant in idaho, 50$ from maggies bakery.....

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Also, $581,172 from NAR fundraisers & PAC money. A half a million dollars is significant money. Sorry, but it is to just about anyone. $1 million from various health insurance companies & health insurance sponsored fundraisers. You're leaving things out here.

Now that's SIGNIFICANTLY better than Romney who's taken $3.5 million from Wall St since he announced he's running.

My point being that you do not have to pretend he's perfect. He is much better in that department than his competitors. But he's a freaking politician! Just like every politician who's ever won any election he's had to do some dirt to get elected. You can't even get elected to a city council without getting dirty let alone congress.

Your idealized view of Ron Paul is extremely unhealthy. Why can't it be enough to just say you agree with him more than you agree with the other guys? Why the insistence that when he does do some dirt, it shouldn't count?

there's too much healthcare in america right now. that's the problem.

Dan Kone said:

Also, $581,172 from NAR fundraisers & PAC money. A half a million dollars is significant money. Sorry, but it is to just about anyone. $1 million from various health insurance companies & health insurance sponsored fundraisers. You're leaving things out here.

Now that's SIGNIFICANTLY better than Romney who's taken $3.5 million from Wall St since he announced he's running.

My point being that you do not have to pretend he's perfect. He is much better in that department than his competitors. But he's a freaking politician! Just like every politician who's ever won any election he's had to do some dirt to get elected. You can't even get elected to a city council without getting dirty let alone congress.

Your idealized view of Ron Paul is extremely unhealthy. Why can't it be enough to just say you agree with him more than you agree with the other guys? Why the insistence that when he does do some dirt, it shouldn't count?

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I don't have an idealized view of Ron Paul and I agree he has many flaws. However the importance of him getting elected I think overshadows that. Its not that I totally 100% agree with him on everything but that he does have better ideas on almost everything VS other candidates..My passion for Ron Paul is because all the other options are essentially the same old shit, perpetual suicide of humanity, unless another humanitarian candidate emerges I wouldn't even consider anyone else. Every other candidate is a corporate puppet that will continue to promote corporatism, poverty, fascism, and suffering.

Additionally, its so important because we need to continue the audit of the fed, and without Ron Paul being elected to president it may not continue, although we will see what Bernie Sanders and kusinich have to say about that. (Both of whom Id also vote for)

Smearing Ron Paul serves only to strengthen their agenda, smearing his mission right now, its a crime against the people, and I won't do it....That doesn't mean I think hes perfect, it means I think the other options are criminal.

Ok here is an example of where I disagree with Dr Paul.

I don't think that Free Market Capitalism is the best solution, I don't think the gold standard is the best solution, these things are definitely not going to solve all of our problems..Like Ron Paul seems to believe. Although they are the best answers for liberty, prosperity, and humanity..They have many flaws as well...and frankly aren't THAT much better then our current system in comparison to something like a resource based economy. Free Market Capitlism is the only choice for liberty in a society based on currency, bar none, the only choice....You can't sacrifice liberty and still have freedom.

However, So long as we have a monetary system its THE ONLY step in the right direction, in the direction of people. Restoring our Republic and having truly free markets would make us once again the most free and prosperous nation in history and ending the wars and brining ALL of our troops home would bring prosperity.

Ron Paul doesn't exactly advocate for a gold standard, he would rather the market be open to all forms of money and the best one will win out over the others through Gresham's law. This will end up with gold as money because gold when free and unhindered always drives out the bad money (paper). Gold has been money longer than anything else, not because it is shiny and pretty, but because gold works as money better than anything else.

I like Ron Paul because he wants to limit the govs role and give states back the power that Thomas Jefferson wsnted.

deprave said:

I don't have an idealized view of Ron Paul and I agree he has many flaws.

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You just said his biggest flaw is he's too honest. lol GTFO

Its not that I totally 100% agree with him on everything but that he does have better ideas on almost everything VS other candidates..

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What policies do you disagree with him on? "he's too awesome" is not a policy disagreement in case you were thinking about saying that.

Free Market Capitlism is the only choice for liberty in a society based on currency, bar none, the only choice....

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So if we get rid of all the rules and regulations and all work in sweatshops for $1 a day, then we will have liberty?

If that's what liberty is then I don't want any.

puffntuff said:

I like Ron Paul because he wants to limit the govs role and give states back the power that Thomas Jefferson wsnted.

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Thomas Jefferson didn't see all the small businesses get shut down and middle class jobs in his town get shipped to China because WalMart moved into the neighborhood.

That has to do with our last 3 presidents. I'm one that thinks we should shut our borders. Free trade isn't free when the balance is uneven. Gov should do 3 things only. 1. Armed forces 2. Natural disasters 3. Keep the money stable. #3 I mean keep tge USA dollar as our form of money. Not Ohio bucks California pieces new York time pieces etc. That's it. The states should have the rest of the power.