Obama ... He's Lookin' Good!

CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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All he does is regurgitate spin. The Health Care Bill says otherwise. The Govt. health Care Bill is DESIGNED to snuff out the private sector. The health care Bill will make anyone who doesn't join PAY INTO it regardless.

The majority of Americans are quite happy with the quality of their health care.

We simply disagree that the govt. has ANY answers when it comes to running businesses. Han can simply ignore that every govt. enterprise ends up in the red if he chooses.....I do not choose to believe fairy tales.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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You already are paying. Don't you see that? And your picture is incomplete. What about the sick people that are middle class and had insurance only to be kicked off when they needed it? What about the people that used it for an expensive procedure only to later have it denied causing them to have to pay out of pocket, when they have been paying for years?

But then again I guess the 'news' you read is about as good as that cartoon. So keep swallowing it.

And unlike you, everything I say is my own thoughts. I do not 'follow' spin of others. But use it to get to the truth. You on the other hand do no research and blindly follow the blogs.

Maybe that is not fair. Maybe you are just early on in being into politics. If that is the case, keep it up. Eventually you may expand your argument base off of more than just your trusted websites. But until then you sound like the people that follow every word CNN says is the absolute truth. If you actually look things up for yourself and pick up books that are not written by the talking heads you listen to now, you may actually learn people are not out to get you, simply because noone in power cares enough about you.

You still haven't read it, it is not medical care. Medical care is provided by doctors, nurses, physician assistants, and other medical professionals. Medical insurance is not medical care, and any one can actually get medical care.

Some are just so stupid as to believe that they shouldn't have to pay for it, or they believe that if they have insurance they will how magically get out of paying for it. They won't, and if the government takes it over the quality will be less than anything seen in the private sector.

Trusting the government is like trying to warm your cock by standing naked near an open fire, stupid, imbecilic, and disasterous to your manhood...
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I know that is your pet peeve. With insurance I can go into a hospital and get the care I need and not walk out with a $4000 bill. Instead I may pay about $50. And instead of the couple hundred to a doctors office, it would be say $25.

The people that don't think they have to pay, chances are they never had insurance before. Infact I am willing to bet a lot of them don't have car insurance.

Since I still don't know how to post the video here is what I had meant by the nixon tape. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHTte8jRLk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fhl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial%26hs%3DZo5%26q%3Dnixon%2520si&feature=player_embedded
 
Big P

Big P

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hanimmal said:
You already are paying. Don't you see that? And your picture is incomplete. What about the sick people that are middle class and had insurance only to be kicked off when they needed it? What about the people that used it for an expensive procedure only to later have it denied causing them to have to pay out of pocket, when they have been paying for years?

But then again I guess the 'news' you read is about as good as that cartoon. So keep swallowing it.

And unlike you, everything I say is my own thoughts. I do not 'follow' spin of others. But use it to get to the truth. You on the other hand do no research and blindly follow the blogs.

Maybe that is not fair. Maybe you are just early on in being into politics. If that is the case, keep it up. Eventually you may expand your argument base off of more than just your trusted websites. But until then you sound like the people that follow every word CNN says is the absolute truth. If you actually look things up for yourself and pick up books that are not written by the talking heads you listen to now, you may actually learn people are not out to get you, simply because noone in power cares enough about you.



I know that is your pet peeve. With insurance I can go into a hospital and get the care I need and not walk out with a $4000 bill. Instead I may pay about $50. And instead of the couple hundred to a doctors office, it would be say $25.

The people that don't think they have to pay, chances are they never had insurance before. Infact I am willing to bet a lot of them don't have car insurance.

Since I still don't know how to post the video here is what I had meant by the nixon tape. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHTte8jRLk&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Zo5&q=nixon%20si&feature=player_embedded
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it seems the dems healthcare push is not in the interest of the majority of the people, majority of peeps dont want it

so this being a democracy shouldnt the eployees of the people listen and do as they want ?

it begs you to wonder why are they so gun ho about doing this. we all know they really dont care about us like that. so there is another reason

what it is, is up to you to decipher

majority dont want it and its not even on their radar.

what happend to the states doing what their people want? if you want government health care just move to mass and let the rest of us live in freedom

it would be much better if the states made thier own rules that way the people that dont like it can move out and the people that like it can move in. that way if everyone leaves a state cuz of its shitty policies they will turn them around or be a ghost town

if they do all the shitty shit to us across the whole country through the federal govenment nobody can leave unless they leave america.

and thats exactly how the politicos want it. cuz they know if it was state by state then those states who adopt thier shitty policies will become ghost towns or dead broke full of deadbeats:hump:


do the question is why? why not leave it up to the states?

I would love the spin obama would try to put on the answer to that question


kinda like the scare tactic he pulled in his speech saying the way it is now doctors will pull your kids tonsels even if they didnt need them pulled just so they can make more money

and the lilly livered mommies and daddies eat these bullshit comments like choclate cake.

how dare he insult proffesional doctors in this manner. is he really saying doctors are crooked and the government would be less crooked than doctors?

pls obama. most of your minions a retards but the rest of us are smarter than that

 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Are there problems with the health care system? Sure there is, as with any industry. Having it taken over by the Govt. is no solution however.

You want to kill innovation in the medical field? Govt. involvement will do it EVERY time.
 
bgmike8

bgmike8

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right, we need a little reform and they want to just take the whole damn thing over and enforce their socialism on us all.

this obama dicksucker; hannimal just says that we are going off of trusted websites to make our decisions? did you ever think that we dont need anyone to tell us socialism is bad. if you were really a free thinker yourself then you should research socialism and you will see that it never works. and in the process it takes freedom from the people. id rather have fucked up health care or medical debt and still live in a free country.
 
Big P

Big P

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bgmike8 said:
right, we need a little reform and they want to just take the whole damn thing over and enforce their socialism on us all.

this obama dicksucker; hannimal just says that we are going off of trusted websites to make our decisions? did you ever think that we dont need anyone to tell us socialism is bad. if you were really a free thinker yourself then you should research socialism and you will see that it never works. and in the process it takes freedom from the people. id rather have fucked up health care or medical debt and still live in a free country.
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spoken like a real american

Give me liberty or give me death!

by death i mean while im trying to kill you socialists to gain my freedom back:hump:
 
natrone23

natrone23

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Big P said:
spoken like a real american

Give me liberty or give me death!

by death i mean while im trying to kill you socialists to gain my freedom back:hump:
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Didn't you just buy a jet boat last weekend?

In between BBQs and lake outings I'm surprised you have time for freedom fighting.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Big P, you have some good points. I am all for the state having the rights. But the big thing is that if you have health insurance now this won't affect you since you are grandfafthered in. Eventually if you switch jobs, you will be able to take it with you, or change. If you do change the new program will have to fit the new standards (like not cutting your insurance if you get sick).



But the majority of Americans do agree that we need to change. 1/6 of Americans do not have insurance coverage. And those people are costing us that do a lot of money.

right, we need a little reform and they want to just take the whole damn thing over and enforce their socialism on us all.

this obama dicksucker; hannimal just says that we are going off of trusted websites to make our decisions? did you ever think that we dont need anyone to tell us socialism is bad. if you were really a free thinker yourself then you should research socialism and you will see that it never works. and in the process it takes freedom from the people. id rather have fucked up health care or medical debt and still live in a free country.
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It is when your taking a government insurance plan and calling it socialism because the people that you gather your news do.

I have looked at socialism and do disagree with it, look at the "Why is socialism so scary" thread and you can see what I had said about it. The problem is when you have nothing but bad info you cannot make a good decision.

If you have ever paid for medical treatment or insurance you are paying for everyone that does not.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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hanimmal said:
Big P, you have some good points. I am all for the state having the rights. But the big thing is that if you have health insurance now this won't affect you since you are grandfafthered in. Eventually if you switch jobs, you will be able to take it with you, or change. If you do change the new program will have to fit the new standards (like not cutting your insurance if you get sick).



But the majority of Americans do agree that we need to change. 1/6 of Americans do not have insurance coverage. And those people are costing us that do a lot of money.



It is when your taking a government insurance plan and calling it socialism because the people that you gather your news do.

I have looked at socialism and do disagree with it, look at the "Why is socialism so scary" thread and you can see what I had said about it. The problem is when you have nothing but bad info you cannot make a good decision.

If you have ever paid for medical treatment or insurance you are paying for everyone that does not.
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Yes, and when you purchase goods from a retailer, you are paying for their losses due to theft, that does not mean we need the government to come in, steal 80+% of the goods, and charge us 100% for the 20% they leave us.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Yes, and when you purchase goods from a retailer, you are paying for their losses due to theft
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Cool we agree, oh wait

that does not mean we need the government to come in, steal 80+% of the goods, and charge us 100% for the 20% they leave us.
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huh? Where are numbers from?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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It's a power grab....nothing more.
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This I agree with (well of course too an extent).

They could have easily had all the things that they wanted in the bill and had a private company agree to provide it. There is no reason why it has to be a government plan. And if no insurance company they could have offered a grant for someone to open it up.
 
Big P

Big P

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natrone23 said:
Didn't you just buy a jet boat last weekend?

In between BBQs and lake outings I'm surprised you have time for freedom fighting.
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well as you can see I enjoy my freedom

and yes when im not working to put food on my family (pun intended)

i like to enjoy myself. after proper savings are put away for my little ones that is

so yes after all the costs of life its nice to have a boat. but hey I guess i may have to sell it since Im gonna have to pitch in a lot more of my hard earned wage to help low lifes and the lazy.

but hey its cool, who doesnt like to work 5 months out of the year for somone elses benifit (isnt that slavery?)

Sure that 5 months I work that the government takes all my money kinda sucks. but they know better what my money should be spent on than I do. Its clear we need more of my money to go to special interests & waste so our politiions can keep gettin re elected while thier policies destroy and bankrupt my country.


wait a min, what was that huge stimules spending bill for anyway?

oh well im sure they spent it on stuff we needed right?

it would be compleatly impossible that they used all that money for selfish purposes and thier own benifit. while bold face lieing to you me and all of america with a smirk i can see on the camera that they are trying to hide.

come on guys I trust my leaders, specially that obama guy he always says things that I agree with. how does he do it? what great guy. I would love to have a beer with him.

then he whips you some more and you say, well hes a nice person atleast, i got nothing against him there.

WAKEUP and smell the dooky guys dont sit there in a bed full of shit and try to tell me its choclate.

cuz once we all start eating that shit we are going to die.:spew:
 
Big P

Big P

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hanimmal said:
I understand the pain of having half the days you earn money leaving my pocket.

And there is no reason to begrudge you for working hard and earning the money you do.



Here you go. http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/maps
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i think they should just get rid of every program. then they could remove all income taxes from all earners making less than $250,000 per year.

that way the government wont charge them for shit so they cant bitch about shit. All they can do is work for what they want.

then you have an unpleasent program that helps the truley needy but it must be an unpleast and highly annoying program to force people not to abuse and use it when they dont need it. I.E. anyone with a strong back cannot collect shit from shit.

then im down.

its fine if you wanna help out but not if the person passing out the money is bias and has his own agendas. thats exactly where the problems lie.

it lies with the people divying up the money to people who dont truly need it.

its like the congress bribes voters with thier own money to get elected

then the large companies bribe the congress to impliment thier agenda which hurts the people. and then the congress again has to bribe the people to vote for them through specials programs using the peoples very own money against them with hurtful policies. they pit us against each other with the oldest game in the book. rich and poor. they make us battle each other so we dont see the real enemy. just like Iran does with Isreal.

seems the only people really getting what they want are the congress and the rich companies. the people are being bribed with peanuts here and there, mainly because they are greedy and also dumb on top of that

its like when our government gave the indians shiny beads in trade for thousands of acres of land.

amercia is being tottaly hustled. some people in this country need to expiriance the dark side for humans. they seem to think everyone is so nice:spew:
 
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