Ocean forest beginning to end...opinions.

st0wandgrow

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Hey eveyone

So i am just finishing a whole grow using nothing but happy frog for the 1 gallon veg from clone. Once i got them about 16 inches under a 24 in T5 I potted them in to 5 gallons using straight FFOF. The whole 8 weeks of flower i used straight ph tap water and all the way to the end my ladies stayed green and lush. Only at the 7 week point of 12/12 did i see the yellowing of the typical finishing. At that point i just used a little Bud XL by house and garden.

Anyone do this witout nutes like i did? I want to develop a soil base that is water only from beginning to end. Any advice you all could give would be great.

I was thinking i might mix happy frog and OF 1 to 1 and add some dolomite lime. Then maybe add some different meals to it.

Anyone have a small batch recipe theyd like to share? I want to get away from nutes and stay organic for the whole grow. Im over the whole nitrient lines. Ive spent way too much money on full lines and never see the results im looking for.

I run a 4 by 4 by 8 room with a 600w hps. Temps and humidity are good and i never have bug or mildew issues. I usually use 3 or 5 gallon pots. I think its time to try out smart pots. I never get more than 1.5 oz per plant. Usually 4 to 6 oz per grow in 3 gallon pots. I know its not the best but my buds are always potent and taste good. So i know im doing ok. Pot size is what kills me. Plus i never veg mor than 5 weeks from beans. 4 from clone.

Any advice is appreciated...thanks
Order some red wigglers and start a couple worm bins. Then pick up a few organic amendments like kelp meal, alfalfa meal, crab shell meal, and oyster shell flour. Feed your worms these meals, and they will break them down and make them plant avaialable. Then you can just use the castings to top dress over your ocean forest as needed mid way through flower.

Easy peasy, and you won't need to mix any soil at all.
 

DaleRoberts

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Order some red wigglers and start a couple worm bins. Then pick up a few organic amendments like kelp meal, alfalfa meal, crab shell meal, and oyster shell flour. Feed your worms these meals, and they will break them down and make them plant avaialable. Then you can just use the castings to top dress over your ocean forest as needed mid way through flower.

Easy peasy, and you won't need to mix any soil at all.
Hey could you shoot me a recipe? Or exactly how much i should buy and what to buy? Pm me if you dont wanna post it here.
 

st0wandgrow

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Hey could you shoot me a recipe? Or exactly how much i should buy and what to buy? Pm me if you dont wanna post it here.
There's a local Michigan company called "Organically Done" that a lot of retail/hydro shops carry. I've used a bunch of their products, and they are all of good quality IMO. If you want to go a cheaper route you can check out feed shops. There's a place that I frequent in Rochester called Uncle Luke's Feed Shop that carries all of the above in bulk, and smaller quantities by request.

As for feeding the worms, I feed them all sorts of fruits and veggie scraps. They also eat the majority of my fan leaves at harvest. I add a pinch or two of the organic meals (kelp, alfalfa, crab shell, and oyster shell) every feeding too, which is once a week. I use a combo of shredded leaves from my yard, coco coir, and shredded cardboard/newspaper for their bedding. Keep it moist, feed them weekly, and in a few months you will have the best soil amendment on the planet. Worm castings are the #1 key to a successful organic grow.

There's a good thread in the organic section about worm bins. It's called "Vermicomposters Unite" or something to that effect. Check that thread out for some good tips, or you can shoot me a pm if you have any more questions.

I think this will be the easiest way to get the most out of your FFOF. I'd add some castings from jump st to the FFOF. Put the plants in their final home a week before flip, then top dress at week 3 and week 6 of flower. You don't want to chase deficiencies growing organically. Everything happens slower. Stay a head of the game and it will be smooth sailing, and water only the whole way.
 

DaleRoberts

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I found a grow shop near me that sells 2 brands of super soil pre bagged and ready to go. 2 cu ft for $40. Im gonna give it a try asap.

Ill start my ladies in light warrior with a handful of ffof in cups..then after ill put them in ffof in 1 gallon pots.. Once i get them to be over 12 inches or so ill put them in 5 gallon smart pots with the super soil. I hope this is my water only dream come true. Im gonna start a grow journal for it. I just cracked 4 beans and moved to dixie cups last night.

Hopefully i can get them in 1 gallon pots quick.
 

941mick

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I found a grow shop near me that sells 2 brands of super soil pre bagged and ready to go. 2 cu ft for $40. Im gonna give it a try asap.

Ill start my ladies in light warrior with a handful of ffof in cups..then after ill put them in ffof in 1 gallon pots.. Once i get them to be over 12 inches or so ill put them in 5 gallon smart pots with the super soil. I hope this is my water only dream come true. Im gonna start a grow journal for it. I just cracked 4 beans and moved to dixie cups last night.

Hopefully i can get them in 1 gallon pots quick.
LIke stowandgrow said I would check out organically done. They sell a bagged supersoil amendment called Organic Easy($30) that treats 4.5 cuft of medium and 20lbs of castings. Way cheaper per volume than M3 or detroit water only. OD mix will maybe cost you $100 total if you get the 4.5 cuft of medium and castings all at once, but you will have almost 3 times the medium after its all mixed and imo the inputs in organic easy are better than what they are putting in M3 and DWO.
 

DaleRoberts

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LIke stowandgrow said I would check out organically done. They sell a bagged supersoil amendment called Organic Easy($30) that treats 4.5 cuft of medium and 20lbs of castings. Way cheaper per volume than M3 or detroit water only. OD mix will maybe cost you $100 total if you get the 4.5 cuft of medium and castings all at once, but you will have almost 3 times the medium after its all mixed and imo the inputs in organic easy are better than what they are putting in M3 and DWO.
Hey thanks alot for the good advice...i really appreciate the feedback! Ill check it out. You know any shops in macomb county that have this product?
 

DaleRoberts

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There's a local Michigan company called "Organically Done" that a lot of retail/hydro shops carry. I've used a bunch of their products, and they are all of good quality IMO. If you want to go a cheaper route you can check out feed shops. There's a place that I frequent in Rochester called Uncle Luke's Feed Shop that carries all of the above in bulk, and smaller quantities by request.

As for feeding the worms, I feed them all sorts of fruits and veggie scraps. They also eat the majority of my fan leaves at harvest. I add a pinch or two of the organic meals (kelp, alfalfa, crab shell, and oyster shell) every feeding too, which is once a week. I use a combo of shredded leaves from my yard, coco coir, and shredded cardboard/newspaper for their bedding. Keep it moist, feed them weekly, and in a few months you will have the best soil amendment on the planet. Worm castings are the #1 key to a successful organic grow.

There's a good thread in the organic section about worm bins. It's called "Vermicomposters Unite" or something to that effect. Check that thread out for some good tips, or you can shoot me a pm if you have any more questions.

I think this will be the easiest way to get the most out of your FFOF. I'd add some castings from jump st to the FFOF. Put the plants in their final home a week before flip, then top dress at week 3 and week 6 of flower. You don't want to chase deficiencies growing organically. Everything happens slower. Stay a head of the game and it will be smooth sailing, and water only the whole way.
Thanks stow....ill do this and run the m3 mix. Ill run them side by said and see how it all turns out. Ill report the findings.
 

mrbungle79

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would the organic easy work well with promix hp? according to their website they are in htg. closest one to me is martin and groesbeck. go there quite a bit actually. have to look next time i go in and see if they have it on the shelf
 

941mick

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would the organic easy work well with promix hp? according to their website they are in htg. closest one to me is martin and groesbeck. go there quite a bit actually. have to look next time i go in and see if they have it on the shelf
Yes it goes well with any inert medium like promix or sunshine #4. I even know guys using it with OF and roots orginal, but that seems like it would be too hot.
 

mrbungle79

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Yes it goes well with any inert medium like promix or sunshine #4. I even know guys using it with OF and roots orginal, but that seems like it would be too hot.
Have you used it or know anyone who has? May give it a go with one or two plants as a test run. would love to do my own soil but time and laziness won't allow me to.
 

941mick

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Have you used it or know anyone who has? May give it a go with one or two plants as a test run. would love to do my own soil but time and laziness won't allow me to.
I am currently on my second run with supersoil, using inputs from organically done. I am by no means an expert on organics. I know people who do really well with the Organic Easy, and most people say the slight yield drop is offset by the much lower cost and higher quality compared to synthetic nutes. I think if your doing runs longer than 4 months you will need to supplement with something , based on what I have heard from a number of guys doing 2 month+vegetative cycles.
 

mrbungle79

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my veg is 4 to 8 weeks depending on strain and 8-10 weeks flower. not too interested in doing super soil as of this moment but the easy organics + castings + promix seems pretty simple especially since I always have promix on hand.
 
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