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Old in the Way

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onthedl0008 said:
OLD Please tell me ur take on mixing organic with synthetic nuts? Im currently using botanicaire pro series but add Kool Bloom during flower which is synthetic.... Its been working well until now but have been told its not good to mix the 2...Was thinking about going to Liquid Karma but im trying to reach the 0/10/10 of the KB. Do U know of any other good organic Flower supplements i can add to obtain the 0/10/10

Lol I know thats way off line hahah just wanted ur insight!
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No idea.....I think Subcool is the Organics master.....he can ususally be found in the...well, uh...Organics Section.

Organics are incompatible with H2O2 so I don't use them...

I use DutchMaster Gold Grow and Flower formulas.
Epsom Salts, Cal Mag Plus, H2O2 and Ph Buffers....thats it

In Flower I use BigBud-Advanced Nutes product 0-15-40
I have to adjust down the amount of DutchMaster i use then add BB at 20-40% recommended application depending on what week the crop is in.
 
VictorVIcious

VictorVIcious

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That cloning idea is awesome, the upside down RR and then the aero cloner. I didn't like my aero cloner with the RR, they put roots out too fast and weave into the net pots. I didn't like it at transplant time when I didn't use any medium, just the collars. Thanx. VV
 
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Old in the Way

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VictorVIcious said:
That cloning idea is awesome, the upside down RR and then the aero cloner. I didn't like my aero cloner with the RR, they put roots out too fast and weave into the net pots. I didn't like it at transplant time when I didn't use any medium, just the collars. Thanx. VV
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Thanks, its working well for me and that was also the issue I had (roots weaving through net pots).

I also felt obligated to find a use for the e-z clone so it didn't just sit in the corner collecting dust.......the crops that got the 4-7 days of veg in there hit the flower room running and appear that they will be far more produvtive.....should know around the 20th
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VictorVIcious

VictorVIcious

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oh I agree, I made 2 21 site aerocloners, they are sitting in my garage. So you are going to top water until the roots get down into the hydroton and then go to aero for flowering? VV
 
Styl!st07

Styl!st07

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Old in the Way said:
I had my clone zone enclosed at first but the temps and RH were not stable enough for me, the humidome solves that prob. Much greater success rate with.....
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I will try my next batch with this method. I just want to make sure i have this right for my next batch of clones.

Once im preped for cloning i cut, dip, and place in my medium. I will be using RW cube in my grow. Spray every other 3rd one untill the ry is full then place the dome on and put in a dark room with NO HEAT-MAT for 6-12hrs. Then place them on a heat-mat set to 80deg with flouros 24/7.

Much more forgiving--the first few days they don't use much water in the dome because evaporation and transpiration are kept to a minimum, this is the only point where I have to be careful not to overwater because they will rot at the plug and fall right over.
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So i the 1st week they dont drink as much as in the second week, Do u just go by feel and touch in the 2nd weed when u water them? On average, how often do u water them in the 2nd week as they start to root?

I actually move seedlings right to veg and hand water with lower nutes ater they open a set of true leaves,
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What does ur veg space consist of? Do u have them in RR placed in hydrotun and u hand water them as needed? Do u have them under a MH HID bulb?

Here is a pic of mine, are they ready for the LIGHT nutes yet? Should i place her in a pot with perlite and hand water her till she is ready for the flood and drain system?
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and I keep the vents on the dome wide open once the seed germinates, you will rot them pretty quickly if allowed to stay too warm and humid for too long.
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I had to take mine off cuz she was starting to strech, RH is at 20% and the temp is at 80deg with heat mat on too. The cube dries out really quick so i water her every 12hrs. I was thinking of putting her in a pot with perlite and hand water her till she ready for the flood/drain system.


Lets see what I can dig up on my process that may help you and other members here.....
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Dig away OldWay.............

which means no visitors, no family, no dating-unless she invites you to her place, 1 or 2 friends-max (and only one that knows about what to do so if you were ever in an accident or anything like that they can react apprpriately), no bars, no parties, no putting yourself in any social environment that may lead to any suspicion or problems with the law......i.e. no lime green honda's that you can here from a quarter mile away....aahhhemmm
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I have do them same with ppl cuming over my place, just me and my wife here, no kids either, its nice to have a quite place here.

I have sacraficed alot to have an op like this....sad really..........it is peaceful though......
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Peacefull is nice, all i have to here is my vortex fan blowing 24/7

for those that can do it (the lifestyle that is)
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U can do it.................u can do it all night long...............


U have given ppl like me usefull info to use and looking farword to see u in the near future, keep up the hard work and thanks for sharing...........

- Styl!st bongsmilie
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grandpabear3

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Old in the Way said:
Thanks and NP "my friend"(a bit McCainish)lol.....
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that makes me feel all creepy

where in the world is Sparkafire......
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sodomizing himself with doorknobs i hope

starting to worry about him.....
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dont worry....he only uses the round knobs. he's doing good though.

I have noticed alot of members coming and going so perhaps thats the norm once they have the info they need or the novelty wears off
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well, ya.....i think that has a lot to do with it but i hate the fighting all the time over non issues.

Whats going on with your place......setting back-up yet??
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i wish but i did get to pull 1 last harvest out of them. only 3/4 of a pound but almost a qp is deep purple so god gives and takes a shit on you at the same time.

Check out the 4000w grow room thread i have in design/set-up.....some different pics and what not.

Thanks for checking it out.....
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-OitW
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very nice on that one as well:peace:
 
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Old in the Way

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VictorVIcious said:
oh I agree, I made 2 21 site aerocloners, they are sitting in my garage. So you are going to top water until the roots get down into the hydroton and then go to aero for flowering? VV
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I didn't quite follow the end of the question.....But.....

when the clones have rooted through the plugs and can hold a wet, heavy, RR suspended in the ez cloner I put a collar on them, stick them in the unit to veg under the 8 bulb t5 like you have....then after 4-7 days I transplant the clone with attached Rapid Rooter and the beard of roots into a pot 6" square pot of hydroton.....then on to the flower room....where they are on a top-drip system (it was a technology I was comfortable with because of my greenhouse/nursery work background)

On my first ccouple crops i felt like the clones didn't go into flower in 5th gear....so that 4-7 days on nutes under the floros in the aero-cloner..err..vegger really gets them moving then they pop right from the 1st day
 
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Old in the Way

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Styl!st07 said:
Old in the Way said:
I will try my next batch with this method. I just want to make sure i have this right for my next batch of clones.

Once im preped for cloning i cut, dip, and place in my medium. I will be using RW cube in my grow. Spray every other 3rd one untill the ry is full then place the dome on and put in a dark room with NO HEAT-MAT for 6-12hrs. Then place them on a heat-mat set to 80deg with flouros 24/7.
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RW huh.....ok....don't premoisten using the method I outlined for the rapid rooters....prep them accordingly---moisten with ph adjusted water, set for 24 hrs, use a salad spinner to take extra moisture out of them....never squeeze or crush the cubes, they won't allow any air in if you do.....all my RW knowledge is learned i have never applied it.....RR make life easy..

but anyway

Yep mist cutting every few till done cutting and hey are covered with dome.

No heat mat needed during dark period.

So i the 1st week they dont drink as much as in the second week, Do u just go by feel and touch in the 2nd weed when u water them? On average, how often do u water them in the 2nd week as they start to root?
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I water RR by look...RW requires precision, if you have a scale....a dry 40mm cube weighs 5g dry--if memory serves--25g with the appropriate amount of moisture.....water RQ cubes by dipping A CORNER of the cube into a pail of ph adjusted water....

What does ur veg space consist of? Do u have them in RR placed in hydrotun and u hand water them as needed? Do u have them under a MH HID bulb?
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8x4 tray, 1kw MH--i put them on the tray--since the light is 4 feet above to accomodate my mums the seedlings do fine.....I usually make room in the middle....if you look back at my pics it is sort of a stadium set-up--tallest on the ends, shortest, new clones, seedlings in the middle......all clones now. I made a wand with a ball valve and have it attached to a spare pump---mix up a bucket or two of solution for them and pump right out of the 5g buckets....but as I said its all clones now and they get full strength nutes after they are rooted.

Here is a pic of mine, are they ready for the LIGHT nutes yet? Should i place her in a pot with perlite and hand water her till she is ready for the flood and drain system?
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No, not yet....the RW looks saturated...allow it to dry out so it is moist but not wet....leave in just the cube till they are spewing roots out of the bottom.......then tranplant......after transplant water perlite around the cube but not the cube itself.....the cube will appear to be dry at all times if you are watering correctly after transplant

I had to take mine off cuz she was starting to strech, RH is at 20% and the temp is at 80deg with heat mat on too. The cube dries out really quick so i water her every 12hrs. I was thinking of putting her in a pot with perlite and hand water her till she ready for the flood/drain system.
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Stretch is likely to be associated with overwatering.....cube shoud be moist not soaked.....25g wet...you need to get RH up and temps down


Peacefull is nice, all i have to here is my vortex fan blowing 24/7
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lol, I usually have to turn one of mine off.....adding speakers in both rooms in Jan 09 when the cctv and heat sensors go in, and my new flat screen so I can have my CNBC running 24/7

U have given ppl like me usefull info to use and looking farword to see u in the near future, keep up the hard work and thanks for sharing...........
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Glad I can help....still learning myself too...it never stops .

Next couple days I might be hard to find---big traunch of work upcoming......
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-OitW
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onthedl0008

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Old in the Way said:
Styl!st07 said:
RW huh.....ok....don't premoisten using the method I outlined for the rapid rooters....prep them accordingly---moisten with ph adjusted water, set for 24 hrs, use a salad spinner to take extra moisture out of them....never squeeze or crush the cubes, they won't allow any air in if you do.....all my RW knowledge is learned i have never applied it.....RR make life easy..

but anyway

Yep mist cutting every few till done cutting and hey are covered with dome.

No heat mat needed during dark period.



I water RR by look...RW requires precision, if you have a scale....a dry 40mm cube weighs 5g dry--if memory serves--25g with the appropriate amount of moisture.....water RQ cubes by dipping A CORNER of the cube into a pail of ph adjusted water....



8x4 tray, 1kw MH--i put them on the tray--since the light is 4 feet above to accomodate my mums the seedlings do fine.....I usually make room in the middle....if you look back at my pics it is sort of a stadium set-up--tallest on the ends, shortest, new clones, seedlings in the middle......all clones now. I made a wand with a ball valve and have it attached to a spare pump---mix up a bucket or two of solution for them and pump right out of the 5g buckets....but as I said its all clones now and they get full strength nutes after they are rooted.



No, not yet....the RW looks saturated...allow it to dry out so it is moist but not wet....leave in just the cube till they are spewing roots out of the bottom.......then tranplant......after transplant water perlite around the cube but not the cube itself.....the cube will appear to be dry at all times if you are watering correctly after transplant



Stretch is likely to be associated with overwatering.....cube shoud be moist not soaked.....25g wet...you need to get RH up and temps down




lol, I usually have to turn one of mine off.....adding speakers in both rooms in Jan 09 when the cctv and heat sensors go in, and my new flat screen so I can have my CNBC running 24/7



Glad I can help....still learning myself too...it never stops .

Next couple days I might be hard to find---big traunch of work upcoming......
:bigjoint:

-OitW
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Old ur sick in the head for sure... every time i hit ur grow i either learn something or cant find myself agreeing more which boosts ego.
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Old in the Way

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bugsrnme said:
very nice on that one as well:peace:
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Thanks man, your friggin hilarious.....the shit you come up with.

Ya the fighting....or arguing......I had to show my ass with these guys telling a noob/posting a chart claiming 8x8 coverage with a 1000w lamp.....I think he saw it in print somewhere.....High Times maybe

the only thing I forgot to ask him was how many growers that legit mag employs..........cause I 'm pretty sure they hire.....well, uh.....WRITERS.

Like Al said, Jorge is a writer, he sells books....not buds.....more time growing less time writing makes sense to me.....

I don't want the Dr. that wrote the text book, I want the guy that does more procedures of X-type than any other doc in the country....:idea:

Some ppl just don't get it
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-OitW:leaf:
 
VictorVIcious

VictorVIcious

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Old in the Way said:
I didn't quite follow the end of the question.....But.....

when the clones have rooted through the plugs and can hold a wet, heavy, RR suspended in the ez cloner I put a collar on them, stick them in the unit to veg under the 8 bulb t5 like you have....then after 4-7 days I transplant the clone with attached Rapid Rooter and the beard of roots into a pot 6" square pot of hydroton.....then on to the flower room....where they are on a top-drip system (it was a technology I was comfortable with because of my greenhouse/nursery work background)

On my first ccouple crops i felt like the clones didn't go into flower in 5th gear....so that 4-7 days on nutes under the floros in the aero-cloner..err..vegger really gets them moving then they pop right from the 1st day
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Sometimes I turn to the next page, I heard you mention drip and saw the hydroton, thought you had aslo mentioned ending aero, may have been another book, you know how it goes. I showed posty your RR upside down, he said they looked like upside down rapid rooters or something, imaging that. His first transplanting experience was with the medium-les clones. Still stays in the two week time frame, makes sense to me, just should have read the thread before I put those last clones in the rockwool blocks. VV:clap:
 
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Old in the Way

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VictorVIcious said:
I showed posty your RR upside down, he said they looked like upside down rapid rooters or something, imaging that.
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lmao, Thats the best statement anyone has posted yet......awesome, just awesome....could be the sleep dep too.

Still stays in the two week time frame, makes sense to me, just should have read the thread before I put those last clones in the rockwool blocks. VV:clap:
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ya you get a good 3-4 days of veg on the two week cycle-which is just about perfect with a 6-7" clone.....

and hey at least you have another batch right around the corner.....I love that part of the perpetual op.....always something to do...

The northeast huh....i grew up in RI and MA......I guess I can say that since I left there many moons ago.


-OitW
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Styl!st07

Styl!st07

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Old in the Way
RW huh..........RR make life easy..
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Yeah ant that the truth, this stuff is kind of tuff to get down but Ill get it one day. Al says that RR are organic and using H202 will break it down and will fall apart as time goes on, I have never used RR with H202.

How do they hold up for u in ur setup?

Do u have any problems with them falling apart on u?

I water RR by look...RW requires precision, if you have a scale....a dry 40mm cube weighs 5g dry--if memory serves--25g with the appropriate amount of moisture.....water RQ cubes by dipping A CORNER of the cube into a pail of ph adjusted water....
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Looks like u done ur homwork

No, not yet....the RW looks saturated...allow it to dry out so it is moist but not wet....leave in just the cube till they are spewing roots out of the bottom.......then tranplant......after transplant water perlite around the cube but not the cube itself.....the cube will appear to be dry at all times if you are watering correctly after transplant
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So ill just leave them in the try untill the roots come out more.

Stretch is likely to be associated with overwatering.....cube shoud be moist not soaked.....25g wet...you need to get RH up and temps down
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Check, i will try to bring the temp down and RH up

lol, I usually have to turn one of mine off.....adding speakers in both rooms in Jan 09 when the cctv and heat sensors go in, and my new flat screen so I can have my CNBC running 24/7
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Awsume, luckly i have my op in my bedroom with my 52" LCD with computer all in the same room. Lets just say i never leave my room.lol

Next couple days I might be hard to find---big traunch of work upcoming......
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NP, cant wait to see more pics and for u to give us an update on the grow.

- Styl!st :peace:
 
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onthedl0008

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OK OLD Im about to begin cutting...I have been circleing (quietly stalking)my mums with a new pair of shears since yesterday afternoon LOL.
My horticulture heat pad set @ 80 degrees. (For later)
PH'd water..I actually did a test run with some tap on a few plugs(Snagged a salad spinner from my grandmother)
Wasted a bunch, my fault i did see somewhere u said about how many ml of water it takes to obtain 40g's..oh well

The only thing I havent heard u mention is if u scrape ur cutting before dip?

On Edit: Was very nervous trying something new(pussed out half way thru)... I decided to do only 4 ur way this batch and IM seriously hoping to be able to get ur results..This method is simple thanks for ur sickness...I tried to follow every step as quickly as i could i will keep u posted...At the moment there in the darkness phase..

Was curious tho do urs slouch over...I just checked on them and had to string them to there supports to getum back up...Is this normal?
 
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onthedl0008

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Old in the Way said:
Couldn't say, I don't normally peek in on them.....
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OK bro nuff said figured I was freaking out.. Just hope I didnt go and prolong the root formation by tieing them up!

On another note will u stop by my grow and tell me what u think about my mums going into there 10 week of flower...All research Ive found on this strain (PINK INDICA) suggests a flowering time between 55 days and up to 9 weeks...Im currently in week 9-10 but have been told to wait by some sources...What do u think if U dont mind my grow is included in my sig bro... UR input would be greatly appreciated!
 
caddy

caddy

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I just want to say what you're doing is great. People like myself absorb the knowledge you and others exhibit here and try to put it into a practical, stable, working environment. Your indepth posts and comments really help make that a reality. Thank you again (and others of course) for the in-depth knowledge you bring to the table.

Keep your lights bright, I look forward to more of your posts & threads.
 
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onthedl0008

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caddy said:
I just want to say what you're doing is great. People like myself absorb the knowledge you and others exhibit here and try to put it into a practical, stable, working environment. Your indepth posts and comments really help make that a reality. Thank you again (and others of course) for the in-depth knowledge you bring to the table.

Keep your lights bright, I look forward to more of your posts & threads.
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WERD!:blsmoke:
 
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